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Rams' core was in place when Fisher arrived

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by -X-, Nov 13, 2013.

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    Though the previous regime was a huge failure from a won-loss standpoint, it drafted pass rush stalwarts Robert Quinn and Chris Long, plus perennial leading tackler James Laurinaitis. Some top backups, too.

    "Fish, he and Les have done a great job of tailoring the personnel to what they like, and getting people that were the perfect fit," Quinn said Wednesday after the first of two bye-week practices.

    "We've had our ups and downs, but every week we're pretty much in the game, and it starts upstairs."

    Quinn leads the NFC with a career-best 12 sacks and is 1½ behind Colts linebacker Robert Mathis for the NFL lead. Last year, he reached double digits for the first time.

    "If Rob doesn't go to the Pro Bowl, they should cancel the Pro Bowl," Long said. "If Rob doesn't go to the Pro Bowl I don't know what I'm going to do.

    "I might boycott the state of Hawaii or something."

    Quinn had two sacks at Indianapolis, stripping Andrew Luck to set up Long's fumble return for the game's first touchdown. Long said it was his first touchdown at any level and joked he covered the 45 yards in "1.5 seconds."

    "For us to get a bounce like that, it's really helpful — especially on the road," said Long, who has 6½sacks. "We have the ingredients in this locker room, and if we just put it together like we did, we can be pretty darned good."

    Laurinaitis was typically steady at middle linebacker, with an interception.

    The Rams (4-6) totaled four interceptions with three against Luck, matching his season total the previous eight games. The Colts never threatened another comeback effort they've been known for, and were held to just 18 yards rushing and 2 for 12 on third down.

    The Rams also dominated in a Monday night loss to the Seahawks, allowing only 135 total yards — although 80 of those yards came on the key touchdown.

    So, there's plenty of talent. But heading into the bye week, there have been wild swings.

    "Our whole thing has been finishing games," cornerback Trumaine Johnson said.

    In an early three-week stretch, Atlanta, Dallas and San Francisco all put up 30 or more points. The Rams had five sacks in a 25-point rout at Houston in Week 6, and couldn't hold Carolina down the next week.

    A week ago at home, Chris Johnson ran for 150 yards and two touchdowns, including the tie-breaking 19-yard run late in the Titans' 28-21 win. Tennessee had 198 yards rushing.

    "We'll think we have the perfect game plan and we'll get out-schemed," Quinn said. "It's nothing to do with the personnel.

    "Definitely, we can't let that happen again."

    Coach Jeff Fisher noted on his radio show that different running styles can complicate the job. But not that much.

    "Yeah, every week's a challenge," Fisher said. "I don't want 200 yards this week and 1 yard next week and averaging 100 yards a game."

    Rookie safety T.J. McDonald has returned to practice from a broken leg that landed him on injured reserve/designated for return. McDonald must miss one more game, before he's eligible to return.

    Most players planned nothing special for the upcoming break, concentrating on rest. The same went for Fisher, who joked "I'll probably go get a cup of coffee or something like that."

    Rookie running back Zac Stacy said he was headed back to Vanderbilt to "support the Commodores" against underdog Kentucky.

    Plus, he added, "I know I owe a couple of guys some Shoney's breakfasts."

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  2. EastRam

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    Core? Nah. A couple good players sure.
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    A couple is all too. Far from what I'd refer to as a core.
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    How does one quantify a core anyway?
  5. EastRam

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    I'm trying to figure out who the top backups are
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    I could consider Quinn as the core of the D :sly:
  7. Lesson

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    I'll say Bradford, Laurinaitis, Long, Quinn were all here prior to Fisher arriving. Outside of those players, I don't really see any other "core" guys. You could count Saffold, but at this point, I don't think he's considered apart of the core due to his injury history and his move from LT to RT.

    Aside from those guys, nice supplemental players like Pettis, Dahl, Cudjo were in St. Louis prior to the current regime.
  8. Ram Quixote

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    I would add SJ and Kendricks to that list. SJ is gone now, but he was a core player last year.
  9. Lesson

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    Kendricks completely flew by my head. Yeah, he should be included.

    I agree with your point about SJ, too.
  10. LesBaker

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    A core would mean to me that there were at the very least a few players on each side of the ball that were going to be the stars and were already there and playing well or showing growth and that they just needed complimentary players alongside them and some depth.

    But this Rams roster didn't have that. It had to be gutted to make room for guys who might be that.

    There was the beginning of a core, a start, but not a core. There is a core now but it was put in place partially by the previous guys and partially by the current guys.

    And so this is out there I do not consider JL part of a core. He is a solid MLB and no more than that. The previous guys get credit for Quinn, Long and Bradford. But considering the draft slots that isn't earning a lot of mojo.
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    Fisher and Snead have made some good acquisitions. They've also made some questionable decisions that haven't really worked out. They didn't inherit a good quality team. Quinn is playing at a Pro-Bowl level now but prior to this year his play was erratic.
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    In print it kinda sound like Quinn is slamming the coaching staff.....

    "We'll think we have the perfect game plan and we'll get out-schemed," Quinn said. "It's nothing to do with the personnel".

    Am I the only one taking it that way? Huh...
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    Not really. Not if he said "We'll think..."
    That includes the players.

    Kind of an odd statement, and hard to get a read on what that means.
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    I agree with the title... I'm driving lol
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    Here are the players that are here now that were here when Snead & Fisher pulled up. I would say the article has some merit to it.

    Defensive Core?
    DE Chris Long/starter
    DT Eugene Sims
    DT Jermille Cudjo
    DE Rob Quinn/starter
    LB JL/starter
    Safety D. Stewart/starter

    Offensive Core?
    QB-Sam Bradford/starter
    WR- Austin Pettis/starter
    OL-Rodger Saffold/starter
    LS-Jake McQuade
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    Sorry I wouldn't consider that close to a core. But thats just me.

    Long above avg.
    Sims OK
    Cudjo backup
    Quinn Pro bowler/starter star
    JL Avg a little above
    Stewart.....

    Bradford...Getting better
    Pettis starter OK
    Saffold/replaceable
    McQuade
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    Nope, I thought the same thing. The second statement almost quantifies the first....if that makes sense. Interesting.
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    So can anyone quantify what a core is? Like, what pieces would constitute a core?

    QB - obviously
    DE's - yeah, you need those
    MLB - yeah
    How many corners? one?
    Receivers? How many?

    Or is it simply about veteran leadership in place? And again, how many?
    The whole thing just seems very subjective to me.
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    I agree with your list. Thats all we have to show for the pain.

    But after all the high picks from the 15-65 epoch that's a pretty sad list.
    3 real starters on defense, and 3 on offense. Only 1 ( Quinn) that is considered elite at his position.
    I never count a long snapper in any type of core.
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    Hmm. I would guess 3-4 solid players on either side. In addition to a QB, a solid #1 WR or at least a very good prospect. That and/or a bell cow RB. Defensively, you need the DE, the MLB and at least one good CB and S. When I think of an excellent "core", I think of the 90-91 Dallas Cowboys.....and then I puke.