QBR and Sam Bradford

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EARTH CITY, Mo. -- ESPN Insider Mike Sando posted an interesting look
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at the disconnect between Rams quarterback Sam Bradford's glistening traditional quarterback rating and the very average number he registered in his total QBR last week against Arizona.

In the piece, Sando lays out the reasons why Bradford's 100.7 rating might be a bit inflated but also why the 50.4 QBR could also be a bit on the low side. It's important to note, first of all, that Bradford's QBR took a big hit for the pick-6 he threw on a play action boot intended for tight end Lance Kendricks early in the third quarter.

That play itself dropped Bradford's total QBR nearly a whopping 18 full points.

The idea of QBR is to take into consideration factors that a normal rating doesn't. In this case, Bradford' isn't penalized greatly by the traditional rating system because it only registers the interception as an interception. No weight is given to the outcome of the interception or how it changed the game. QBR attempts to account for the fact that the play turned into a touchdown and in turn gave Arizona a better win probability.

Without spoiling too much of what Sando wrote -- the piece is definitely worth a read for anyone with Insider -- it's hard to argue with his conclusion that the value of a performance such as the one Bradford had against the Cardinals is just fine with the Rams even if QBR doesn't necessarily agree.

As Sando points out, the numbers tend to normalize over the course of a season and Bradford has traditionally had a solid interception rate.

Perhaps what's most important to take away from Bradford's Sunday performance was how he fared in the fourth quarter in leading the Rams to a comeback win. We covered that ground a bit earlier this week but Rams coach Jeff Fisher discussed the idea that Bradford's late-game heroics actually should carry a bit more weight.

"Especially when you put a two-minute drive together to get points to win the ball game," Fisher said Wednesday. "I think the best thing he did -- he did a lot of good things in the game -- just to shrug off the interception return for a touchdown and come back and go 9-for-9. That shows a lot, experience and confidence. His position’s hard to play and sometimes those things are going to happen, but you can’t let them affect you. So, he came back and made plays.”

QBR takes into account a lot more than just yards, completions, attempts, touchdowns and interceptions. One thing it can't account for, like many advanced statistics, is how a player performs under pressure. That's a test Bradford clearly passed against Arizona.
 

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50.4? 50.4! 50.4!!!

Bunch a hooey.

First of all, if they're going to overvalue a Pick 6, and not take into consideration that the return was a whole 2 yards, or that it took a great play to get that pick in the first place, they better re-evaluate that crap. So, a Pick 6 with a longer than 50-yard return has the same value as a 2-yard return? Seems to me one in plus territory would be more devastating.
 

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50.4? 50.4! 50.4!!!

Bunch a hooey.

First of all, if they're going to overvalue a Pick 6, and not take into consideration that the return was a whole 2 yards, or that it took a great play to get that pick in the first place, they better re-evaluate that crap. So, a Pick 6 with a longer than 50-yard return has the same value as a 2-yard return? Seems to me one in plus territory would be more devastating.

QBR is such a joke, the fact that ESPN is STILL pushing that shit is sad. Luckily ESPN will probably be done in 5-10 years with Fox Sports One and NBC Sports launching.
 

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The QBR doesnt make sense. Peyton Manning had 462 yrd 7 TD and was fifth on their beloved QBR. QBR is a bunch of garbage, that no one else in the world acknowledges, because it doesnt make sense.
 

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The QBR is a total joke that ESPN pushes. How was Cam Netwon performance, who threw for 125 yards and 1 TD at home , better than Mike Vick, who threw for overr 200, 2 TD's, 0 INTs and rushed for almost 60 yards.


This has Trent Dilfer written all over it LMAO
 

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Another fine example is Andy Dalton's week 1 performance where he threw 2 interceptions and his team lost but he still somehow scored a better QBR than Manning's 7TD/0INT win vs. the SB champions.
 

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The QBR doesnt make sense. Peyton Manning had 462 yrd 7 TD and was fifth on their beloved QBR. QBR is a bunch of garbage, that no one else in the world acknowledges, because it doesnt make sense.

I'm pretty sure dilfer despises qbs that are efficient passers.

He hates them because he could never be one and came up with a formula that favours running qbs.

Not sure why the passer rating was not good enough for espn.

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It's been 1 fucking game. 1 fucking game and the god damn Rams won it.

Why are we bitching again? Can't everyone get off Sams dick for a single second?
 

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It's been 1 freaking game. 1 freaking game and the god damn Rams won it.

Why are we bitching again? Can't everyone get off Sams dick for a single second?
I think you've misread what people are talking about.
 

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Not sure why the passer rating was not good enough for espn.
I don't blame ESPN or anyone else who wants to improve upon the NFL's passer rating system. It's got plenty of flaws. Aikman sort of came up with one a while back and some of the things in the NFL's formula are just as arbitrary as ESPN's flawed metric.

But the NFL formula is relatively logical and consistent. ESPN's is, from what I've seen, practically worthless.

The biggest complaint I think anyone has about the NFL system is why it's capped at 158.3. I mean logically, 100% completions for 99 yards per attempt and 100% TD% should be "perfect". Mathematically one can't do any better than that. That's where any formula should top out and then work backwards from there.

The NFL's formula considers 12 ypa as perfect for some reason as an example of them using an arbitrary number. Arbitrary but consistent. ESPN's convoluted formula is arbitrary and random. The first week's ranking's prove that quite convincingly.
 

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The NFL's formula considers 12 ypa as perfect for some reason as an example of them using an arbitrary number. Arbitrary but consistent. ESPN's convoluted formula is arbitrary and random. The first week's ranking's prove that quite convincingly.
Well, at least it's consistently random. :ww:
 

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I really wish that QBR thing would just die. It's a classic example of over thinking something. Even if Bradford had a perfect QBR one game, I still wouldn't know what the hell it means. Just stick with the standard and put that "new math" shit in the trash. It's like the NFL is trying to pull a Jimmy Carter and force the metric system on us.
 

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It's been 1 freaking game. 1 freaking game and the god damn Rams won it.

Why are we bitching again? Can't everyone get off Sams dick for a single second?
I think you've misread what people are talking about.

No one in this thread has dissed Sam or taken the QBR seriously.
 

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It's been 1 fucking game. 1 fucking game and the god damn Rams won it.

Why are we bitching again? Can't everyone get off Sams dick for a single second?
You shut your whore mouth.

We're just holding up the QBR in a negative light. Sam's been just fine.
 

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Nobody else even uses QBR except BSPN. Not PFT, Fox Sports, CBS, not even the NFL itself.

Completely irrelevant stat in a game full of irrelevant stats.
 

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It's been 1 fucking game. 1 fucking game and the god damn Rams won it.

Why are we bitching again? Can't everyone get off Sams dick for a single second?
You shut your whore mouth.

We're just holding up the QBR in a negative light. Sam's been just fine.

I meant Sando and the other queers at Ram stalk etc.
 

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Nobody else even uses QBR except BSPN. Not PFT, Fox Sports, CBS, not even the NFL itself.

Completely irrelevant stat in a game full of irrelevant stats.

I was wondering about that.

So this whole thing is all about Sando whoreing for ESPN.

I haven't seen anyone else touting this QBR idiot stat. Sando should know better.
 

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I always thought qbr stood for qb's retarded lol higher score the more retarded lol
 

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Nobody else even uses QBR except BSPN. Not PFT, Fox Sports, CBS, not even the NFL itself.

Completely irrelevant stat in a game full of irrelevant stats.

I was wondering about that.

So this whole thing is all about Sando whoreing for ESPN.

I haven't seen anyone else touting this QBR idiot stat. Sando should know better.


ESPN makes them use it. There's been some things come out about people who used to work at ESPN about how bad it is now. I have an old neighbor that works at ESPN and he's talked about some of the stuff that goes on. It's pretty bad.
 

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It's been 1 fucking game. 1 fucking game and the god damn Rams won it.

Why are we bitching again? Can't everyone get off Sams dick for a single second?
You shut your whore mouth.

We're just holding up the QBR in a negative light. Sam's been just fine.

I meant Sando and the other queers at Ram stalk etc.
Oh. Well, okay then.
Just don't let it happen again. :grr: