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Injury Report 12/4: Terrell Lewis out, Sebastian Joseph-Day questionable for Rams-Cardinals

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. – Rams outside linebacker Terrell Lewis (knee) has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Cardinals in Arizona (1:05 pm. PT, FOX) after not participating in any of the team's practices this week.
Defensive lineman Sebastian Joseph-Day (hip) and offensive lineman Brian Allen (knee), meanwhile, are considered questionable.

For the Cardinals, safety Jalen Thompson (ankle) – listed as a starter on their depth chart – has been ruled out after not participating in any of their practices this week.

Below are the final injury reports for both teams.

LOS ANGELES RAMS

PlayerPositionInjuryWednesdayThursdayFridayGame Status
Aaron DonaldDLNot Injury RelatedDNPFullFull-
Terrell LewisOLBKneeDNPDNPDNPOut
Sebastian Joseph-DayDLHipLimitedDNPLimitedQuestionable
Brian AllenOLKneeLimitedLimitedFullQuestionable
Michael BrockersDLNot Injury Related--DNP-

ARIZONA CARDINALS

PlayerPositionInjuryWednesdayThursdayFridayGame Status
DeAndre HopkinsWRNot Injury RelatedDNPFullFull-
Justin PughOLAnkleDNPLimitedFull-
Jalen ThompsonSAnkleDNPDNPDNPOut
Charles WashingtonSGroinDNPLimitedLimitedQuestionable
Zach AllenDLAnkleLimitedLimitedFull-
Dan ArnoldTEKneeLimitedFullFull-
Johnathan JosephCBAnkle/KneeLimitedLimitedFull-
Rashard LawrenceDLCalfLimitedLimitedLimitedQuestionable
Kyler MurrayQBRight ShoulderLimitedFullFull-
Tanner VallejoLBConcussionLimitedFullFull-
Justin MurrayOLHandFullFullFull-
Angelo BlacksonDLIllness--DNPQuestionable
 

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Sunday, December 6

Los Angeles Rams at Arizona Cardinals, 4:05 p.m. on Fox

New York Giants at Seattle Seahawks, 4:05 p.m. on Fox

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VIEWS FROM ARIZONA:

Three Big Things: #LARvsAZ

A look at the top storylines for Sunday's game

Dec 04, 2020 at 10:45 AM

The three biggest things to watch for Sunday when the Cardinals play the Rams at State Farm Stadium:

Hope To Spell Goff T-O

Jared Goff has had some very good games in the NFL. He has had some very good games against the Cardinals. But he's also had bad games, with 10 turnovers in four games, of late, and after the way the Rams have manhandled the Cardinals' defense the past three seasons (no fewer than 31 points in six matchups) the Cards have to find a way to push the QB into awkward spots. Goff had 400 yards passing in the game at Arizona last season halfway through the third quarter. This year's defense, even without Chandler Jones, is better. That has to translate against the Rams.

Donald? Duck!

Aaron Donald is the best defensive lineman in the NFL, the best defensive player in the NFL and possibly the best player in the NFL (Yes, I know Patrick Mahomes exists.) Donald sacked Kyler Murray 1½ times in the first meeting between the teams last season, and while he didn't in the rematch, he's the first one on the radar of Murray and the Cardinals, who have to find a way to get Murray loose through the air and – maybe – on the ground, even as Murray insists he doesn't have to run for the offense to hum. Looking DeAndre Hopkins' way more often might help, although the Rams figure to stick All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey on Nuk and dare him to do what he does. If Murray can get away from Donald and a surprisingly excellent Rams defense, the Cards will be in the place they need to be. The offense has sputtered for two straight games. It's time to right that wrong.

Playoffs?!? You're Taking About Playoffs?!? Playoffs?

A few weeks ago, given the state of the NFC, a playoff spot seemed almost inevitable with the way the Cards were going. Even with a loss against the Dolphins, the miracle against the Bills seemed to reenergize the talk. But two close losses since then, the Cardinals find themselves with multiple teams so close to them in the standings and a stretch run that includes two games against a Rams team that has had their number. To a man, the chatter about "controlling our own destiny" has echoed through this week. It is true that they do, but unless they put together a few wins, that ability will be lost quickly.



Looking For That Offensive Explosion, And Friday Before The Rams

Kyler Murray didn't have a passing touchdown last week against the Patriots, the first game this season he hasn't thrown for at least one TD and the first time since … last year's blowout loss to the Rams at State Farm Stadium.

That's as good a place as any to start about this Sunday's important division game, crucial beyond just snapping the 6-0 chokehold Sean McVay has thus far put on the Cardinals.

The offense, save for the sleepwalking game in Carolina earlier this year, has had its worst two games of the season in back-to-back weeks. Finding its way to where it was a few weeks ago – either by Murray running more, or using his fakes to give advantage to the running backs, or getting the ball to DeAndre Hopkins more often or whatever the case may be – it crucial for this game.

Last year, Murray had a poor game in the home meeting with the Rams, and while he was better in Los Angeles, he was also dealing with a hamstring injury that essentially took the running part of his game completely. The Rams also have some confidence when it comes to defending him.

"We've got two of them, we've got him and Russell Wilson in our division, so we kind of know how to handle it," All-Pro defensive tackle Aaron Donald said.

The Rams have a much better defense this season than many expected, guys performing that aren't named Donald or Jalen Ramsey. They are better on that side of the ball than either the Seahawks or Patriots, allowing just 19.5 points a game. Not the easiest of weeks to get out these offensive doldrums, but it may be the game when it's the most important to do so.

-- No, I don't think this is must-win. Not with the teams the Cardinals have just below them for the final playoff spot. Now, if the Cards were to lose Sunday, does that make all the rest of their games – including the finale in L.A. against these same Rams – must-win? The margin for error would likely be gone, yes.

But what this game does do is provide a gigantic swing in the standings. Lose, and the Cards are two games behind the Rams and don't have the tiebreaker, so essentially three games behind. Win, and the Cards tie (and because of the head-to-head win, vault over) the Rams in the standings. So yeah, kind of a big deal.

-- Kliff Kingsbury said he and buddy Sean McVay text often during the season.

"Both of us have a lot going on but we definitely stay in touch," Kingsbury said. "Not like trash talk or anything like that but every now and then pick each other's brains on something that may have come up."

-- I know everyone seems to be waiting to hear about Larry Fitzgerald's return from the COVID list, but at least here on Friday, I'd be surprised if he played on Sunday no matter what happens.

-- The magic of a midseason trade. Linebacker Markus Golden was playing for the Giants earlier this season when they lost, 17-9, to the Rams. Barring injury, Golden will end up playing against the Rams three times this season, since the Cards also close the regular season in Los Angeles.

-- In lieu of the annual toy drive held at a game – since the game is closed to the pubic – the Cardinals and Desert Financial Credit Union will host a contactless drive-thru toy drive Saturday (Dec. 5) from 8-11 a.m. at both State Farm Stadium (West Preferred Lot) and at the Tempe Sports Complex (8403 S. Hardy Dr., next door to the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center.) Participants can sign up for a chance at autographed Cardinals memorabilia.

-- Lot of good charities with this year's My Cause My Cleats, and it should prove to be colorful out there with all this dynamic footwear.

-- Devon Kennard's playing time has dried up the last couple of games – 11 snaps against the Patriots, 19 against the Seahawks – but defensive coordinator Vance Joseph said it isn't because of any lingering aftermath of Kennard's COVID issues and said Kennard has been "great" about handling whatever role he is given.

"He's always ready to go," Joseph said. "Every week the game plan is different. With that position room, we are trying to play to guys' strengths, and the last couple of weeks it's been a different kind of game plan. Hopefully it goes up this week, but every week the game plan changes and we try to put guys in spots to have success."

-- Cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick has already tied his career-high with three interceptions. Given the circumstances and the salary, another solid late-camp free-agent find for Steve Keim.

-- D-Hop was interestingly uninterested in talking much about Ramsey before this game. I won't pretend to know the backstory if there is any, but there will be an intense spotlight on that matchup in this game. The Cards need Nuk to win his share.

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Great pregame thread start @CGI_Ram.

Cardinals and Rams are close matchup points allow and points scored. Rams need to pickup on offense this week. Looks like another close game to me. Go Rams!
 

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Rams' frequent use of zone coverage could help contain Kyler Murray

Under first-year defensive coordinator Brandon Staley, the Rams have used more zone coverage than man-to-man. They mix and match coverages on certain plays, too, with Jalen Ramsey sometimes manning-up one receiver and the rest of the defense playing zone.

Expect to see a lot of that on Sunday when the Rams play the Cardinals, not only in an attempt to take away DeAndre Hopkins, but also to keep Kyler Murray in check. One of the best ways to contain a mobile quarterback is to play zone coverage, allowing defenders to keep their eyes on him in the event that he escapes the pocket.

In man coverage, the defense turns its back to the quarterback and follows a specific player. That opens up running lanes for the quarterback, which leads to big plays; Murray has created plenty of explosive runs against man this season.

But against zone, the linebackers can watch Murray, and the defensive backs will have an easier time stepping up in run support of the shifty quarterback shakes loose. This season, the Rams have run quarters coverage with three defenders deep and three underneath with four rushing the quarterback 18.7% of the time – third-most in the NFL.

That’ll continue against the Cardinals and could help them keep Murray in the pocket more often. A lot of that comes down to the defensive front closing up running lanes, but having the defense facing the quarterback helps, too.

The Patriots utilized zone coverage against Murray last week and held him to 170 yards passing, 31 yards rushing and no touchdowns.

Murray is one of the toughest assignments in the NFL and it takes a complete team effort to limit his production – especially as a runner. Tackling will be critical for L.A. because one miss and Murray could break off a 30-yard run in a flash.

Blitzing against Murray doesn’t exactly work, either, as he has seven touchdown passes and only two interceptions with a passer rating of 106.2. Against a normal rush, he’s thrown seven interceptions with 12 touchdowns and a passer rating of 92.4. This season, the Rams only blitz 26.1% of the time, according to Pro Football Reference, which is 10th-lowest in the NFL.

Playing disciplined zone coverage, getting pressure with four and wrapping up will be three keys to this one for L.A.
 

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Next-gen Russell Wilson? Rams have respect — and comparisons — for Kyler Murray

The descriptions varied, Rams players and coaches this week comparing Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray to a speedy cartoon bird and a former boxing champion with a skill set that makes him a next-gen Russell Wilson.

There was universal agreement about one thing: Controlling Murray will be the key for the Rams (7-4) when they play the Cardinals (6-5) on Sunday in a key NFC West game at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Ariz.

Murray, the first pick in the 2019 draft, has improved dramatically from his rookie season. He has passed for 19 touchdowns with nine interceptions. He also has rushed for 650 yards and 10 touchdowns.

“He looks like a whole different player,” Rams safety John Johnson said.

The 5-foot-10, 207-pound Murray — a former outfielder who was the ninth player chosen in the 2018 MLB amateur draft — passes accurately to a receiving corps that features four-time Pro Bowl selection DeAndre Hopkins, future Hall of Famer Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk among others.

But Murray’s running ability sets him apart. He moves laterally and straight ahead with dynamic speed. His stride is not long, making it difficult for would-be tacklers to choose angles.

“He’s like the Road Runner,” Johnson said. “It doesn’t look like he’s covering a lot of ground, but he is because he’s taking a lot of steps.

“I think as a defender, you’ve got to match that body language. You can’t run in there with long strides thinking you’re going to tackle this guy. You got to run in there, chop your feet, shorten your stride and come to balance to tackle him.”

Last season, the Rams sacked Murray six times in a 34-7 victory at State Farm Stadium. Four weeks later, they mostly contained him in a 34-21 victory at the Coliseum.

It is a tougher assignment now that Murray has experience in coach Kliff Kingsbury’s system. The Cardinals rank second in the NFL in offense, averaging 403.3 yards per game.

“He’s eliminated so many negative plays that kind of put us behind the sticks last year when he was trying to maybe do too much or not know when the party was over, and get rid of it and avoid those sacks,” Kingsbury said.

Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray scrambles away from New England Patriots defensive back Kyle Dugger on Nov. 29.

Murray’s ability to “slip punches” and avoid shots to his body reminds Rams coach Sean McVay of boxing champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. His speed and elusiveness harken to former NFL quarterback Michael Vick.

“You see some of the runs he’s making against All-Pro type of players and he’s running away and separating,” McVay said. “Sometimes you’re watching and you’re saying, ‘Holy, this is a joke, man. I can’t believe we got to freaking defend this guy.’”

Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald and defensive coordinator Brandon Staley said comparing Murray to Wilson, a ninth-year pro, only goes so far.

“Murray is probably a little twitchier,” Donald said.

The 5-11, 215-pound Wilson is bigger, Murray faster.

“The differences probably lie in the overall gear that Kyler has,” Staley said. “But, where they’re the same is, it’s never over. … In those gotta-have-it situations, third-down, red [zone], two-minute in a game and a half, those guys really take the game over.”

The Rams controlled Wilson in a 23-16 victory Nov. 15. They rank second in the NFL in total defense, third in passing defense and fourth in rushing defense.

The Cardinals are 1-3 in their last four games, the lone victory coming on a last-second 43-yard pass from Murray to Hopkins to defeat the Buffalo Bills.

On Sunday, in a 20-17 loss to the New England Patriots, Murray passed for 170 yards, with an interception. It was the first time this season that Murray did not pass for a touchdown and only the third time he did not rush for one.

But the Rams are anticipating that he will bounce back.

Would Staley consider putting a spy on Murray, a defender to follow his every move?

“He’s faster than a lot of the spies you may have on the field,” Staley said, adding, “I don’t think that that’s probably at the top of our list in terms of trying to go about containing this guy, because he’s just a rare athlete for the position.”
 

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Rams at Arizona Cardinals: Who has the edge?

RAMS (7-4) vs. CARDINALS (6-5)

When: 1:05 p.m. Sunday

Where: State Farm Stadium, Glendale, Ariz.

TV/radio: Fox (Ch. 11), 710 AM, 1330 AM (Spanish)

Line: Rams by 3

Notable injuries: Rams: LB Terrell Lewis (knee) is out; DT Sebastian Joseph-Day (hip) is questionable. Cardinals: S Jalen Thompson (ankle) is out; DT Angelo Blackson (illness) is questionable; WR Larry Fitzgerald was on the COVID-19 list as of Friday.

What’s at stake? Beating the Cardinals a seventh consecutive time would put the Rams back on the playoff track after their 23-20 loss to the 49ers. Winning would lift the second-place Rams back into first in the NFC West if the Seahawks lose to the Giants, while losing would sink them to third.

Who’s better? The Rams, but it depends on the day. The Cardinals and exciting, second-year quarterback Kyler Murray are on their way to the franchise’s first winning record since 2015. Both teams mixed playoff-caliber wins with disappointing losses in November and need a solid December.

Rams win if: If the Rams defense limits the damage from Murray’s running; Arizona is 8-1 in 2019-20 when the QB carries nine times or more … if quarterback Jared Goff recovers from his bout with fumbles and interceptions … if running back Cam Akers builds on last week against a subpar Cardinals rushing defense.

Matchup to watch: Jalen Ramsey vs. DeAndre Hopkins. The NFL’s highest-salaried defensive back and wide receiver meet again. Statistically, Ramsey won most of their seven duels when he was in Jacksonville and Hopkins in Houston. He has been containing top receivers this season.

Fantasy sleeper: Robert Woods. The Rams wide receiver burned Arizona for 20 catches and 239 yards and a touchdown in their two meetings last season, and he’s coming off his most productive back-to-back games in a year in the win over Tampa Bay and loss to San Francisco.

Prediction: Rams 27, Cardinals 23. Expect Rams coach Sean McVay to improve to 7-0 in this series. Murray’s improvement, Hopkins’ addition and a tougher Arizona defense mean this won’t be as easy as the past few years, but the Rams’ defense cancels out most of the Cardinals’ strengths.