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Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by PhxRam, Dec 26, 2013.

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  1. Jadeveon Clowney

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  2. Jake Matthews

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  3. Sammy Watkins

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  1. V3

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    He was kicked out for NCAA violations. Those concern me MUCH less than concerns about effort and attitude.
     
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    They said he(and other players on the team) received travel accommodations and jewelry. I would bet a large portion of money that the big recruits across the nation receive some sort of compensation that the NCAA would find improper. They got caught, though.
     
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    Fair enough. Didn't recall that about Peppers. I still have my reservations though. To be honest, I haven't watched enough of Clowney this year. Simms and Hayes are decent players, especially Hayes. I'll let the Rams brass figure it out. Still don't think it's the best move but I won't hate it either if Clowney pans out.
     
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    I see. Well like you said, that kind of stuff can be fixed. Work ethic is a big red flag for me. Who knows, maybe the pro's can change that, if it is a real issue.
    I do want a top 5 D, so if Clowney is the guy, so be it.
     
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    Ummmm Hmmm Honestly I'm Just commenting in general not really at anyone in particular as I quoted no one. Just don't think Mr. Clowney is what everybody touts him to be from watching his games..
     
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    And from also watching his games, I think he is. You're entitled to your opinion. There's always going to be disagreement over prospects. I just think it's wrong to assume that people disagreeing didn't watch him. There, off my soapbox. :wink:
     
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    You can look at that from a different perspective. Sims and Hayes are both good players and very cheap (relatively in Hayes case). They would no longer get those snaps with Clowney on the roster and you would need to subtract their positive contributions from Clowney's to get a true picture of his own contribution. Plus, we'll always be able to afford to keep those two on our roster and benefit from their not inconsiderable contributions.
     
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    My view is that I want a dominant front 7 and if Barr is as good as I've been reading and watching then I'm visualizing the Rams D looking more like the 2000 Ravens D. I think Barr is a better natural pass rusher than Ogletree and I'm thinking they can play Barr on 3rd down with Long Quinn and Hayes on the LOS, and Ogletree and JL in coverage with 5 DBs.

    After listening to Tyoka Jackson say he could't stand watching Clowney take all those plays off, I' really scared of Clowney. Plus I want my #2 overall pick on the field for every down as a rookie.

    I want to see how Barr looks against V Tech on Tuesday. That's a huge game for him.

    And I watched Van Noy, and he looks stiff to me.

    Here's what OURLADs says about Barr..
     
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    This poll doesn't allow for trade down; Clowney could be boom or bust. I am lathering over the boom potential, but leery of the bust.

    But for those that are enamoured with Mathews, a trade down still nets some pretty darn good offensive line prospects.
     
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    I'm with you on Clowney. For me, this is no time to swing for the fences on a huge Boom or Bust guy.

    Here's Boylhart on Clowney. Red Flags alert...

     
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    OLB is one of my top priorities too. Only thing is, I'm not sure we can afford to take an OLB in the first round in lieu of the best CB available. The top CBS will go early IMO. If we trade down (with the Browns) and get another first round pick, then OT, CB and OLB in the first round and the best available FS in the 2nd round would be awesome! Short of that, I think the other priorities take precedence. But I follow your reasoning and it would make our front 7 one of the best in the NFL.

    We need an awesome trade down to get all the things I asked Santa for.:D
     
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    I have ZERO interest in an Lb'er in this draft.
     
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    Due to a perceived lack of need or because you're not impressed with what's available?
     
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    Yep I was looking for that 4th option in this pole too. I know the desire is to get an elite player with his either #1 or #2 pick but once again another trade similar to the 2012 trade would be so much better. Snead in spite of the poor performance of Snead second 2012 trade (trade down) that net- Brockers/Pead/Watkins where Pead & Watkins were just bad picks ...Snead has more than made up for this stinky with the others...his track record is OUTSTANDING so I say lets get him going once again maybe 3 or 4 trade downs & gather early second day draft picks that can assist us in the quest for "Winning TEAM FIRST building" not elite player building.

    Snead :number1:will have to make some really tough decisions in freeing up present cap cash & future cap cash for some of our own UFA's & hopefully be ready to parlay in May's draft.
     
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    I just hope: we land #2 overall or better...

    And...

    Stock gets HOT for top prospects.
     
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    We have major foundational building issues (OT/OG/CB/S) that must be repaired & addressed before other additions to the lighting & paint (LB'ers) are brought in.

    Fisher has so many young & bright LB'ers here that have not been hardly used due to lack of need. Armstrong, Bates, Steward & Brown to name a few. Rams play 2 Lb'ers most of the time the defense is on the field...not sure how much another Lb'er will help this team if any at the expense of the mandated need issues. Dunbar could hardly get on he field after he returned from his suspension plus he was not missed much. But by all means I am sure there is room on the bench/sideline for more Lb'ers if that what you guys want just not needed.
     
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    #77 Alan, Dec 28, 2013
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    Barring an extra pick or two I'm pretty much in line with your thinking. I do have a couple of nits to pick. I think you might be forgetting that we can probably pick up a good OG in the 3rd or 4th round. If you agree with that then here's my scenario: OT & CB in the 1st round. FS in the 2nd round and OG in the 3rd round. I think you'd have no problem with that and so if we get an extra first round pick we could easily slip in a studly OLB and still accomplish our other goals.

    The second nit I'd pick has to do with your assessment of the LBs currently on the roster. All of them seem to be good against the run and deficient in their coverage skills. They also weren't able to crack the starting lineup and we were forced to bring back Dunbar. In obvious passing downs we usually go with an extra DB which is theoretically fine but we are still highly vulnerable to the first and second down pass play. I want to fix that problem too. OLBs with complete games can't be found in the lower rounds IMO.
     
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    I think a great football player can make a huge impact at LB.

    Imagine this from the opposition viewpoint. I think a great front 7 is the most intimidating configuration in football. It makes playing DB so easy.

    Just put 7 great defensive players on the field at the same time and let their athleticism wreak havoc.
     
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    Which is how you get better value. Trade down and still get Clowney?
     
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