Our defenses achilles heel, Philly's up tempo offense

[RamFan503]

I still think that most people confuse Chip's offense with a hurry up. If you watch what his offense does you will see that he doesn't wear defenses down by running more plays. He wears defenses down by not allowing them their substitutions. His offense actually uses most of the play clock on every play. His offenses at Oregon lined up immediately after the play was over which forced the defense to do the same thing. If the defense didn't, Chip's offense was ready to snap the ball. Once the opposing defense was lined up, the QB would generally step back and look to the sideline for the play.

This is why opposing defenses started feigning injuries. The player that was going to come out of the game anyway, simply fell down with a cramp. Often, you could see it being reality because those guys aren't used to having to be set that long throughout a drive.

The rest of Chip's offense was pretty much a run heavy spread and good defensive lines often gave Oregon fits. I think we'll be fine.

 

[GreeneCounty]

It'll be speed vs. speed then.

But only D-line can sub in talent without missing a beat. Can their o-line? I bet not.

Can Foles release in under 4 seconds too? He holds the ball too long, he'll get brutalized.

I not sold on those NFC East teams. Pretty bad division.

 

[rking4441]

Being from the Philly area this is one of the games I am really looking forward to. Just look what the Saints D did to the Egals in the playoffs. Foles had 195 yrds and most of that was after Keenan Lewis was injured in the 3rd quarter. Contain Shady and pressure Foles and this will be a showcase game to the rest of the league why they should fear St Louis! They lost their one deep threat so make the Egals catch underneath routes and punish them. The Egals fans might not like what happens to their Bird but it might bring back thoughts of those late 80s early 90s they love so much.

 

[RamSECUT]

You never know what can happen. If Foles goes down, before our wk. 4, We may have to face that dreaded QB Mark Sanchez or their Feared new gunslinger Matt Barkley!

Oh the horror lmao

 

[Alan]

My only comment about this subject (and I haven't read every post in it) is that the "up tempo" offense strategy is problematical for every team's offense equally. I fail to see why it would be especially problematical for ours.

 

[12intheBox]

My only comment about this subject (and I haven't read every post in it) is that the "up tempo" offense strategy is problematical for every team's offense equally. I fail to see why it would be especially problematical for ours.

It's the defenses that it's problematic for - and the answer is - quite simply - that it's not especially problematic for us. In fact, for reasons that I and others have mentioned in this thread, we match up very well against the Eagles.

 

[Username]

As of right now I think we should be more concerned with not letting AP go off in the dome once again. Plenty of time to think about Philly when we get to them.

 

[GreeneCounty]

Not a big fan of Philly. Media would love a east coast team to be a player.

 

[Alan]

12intheBox pointing out my error:
It's the defenses that it's problematic for - and the answer is - quite simply - that it's not especially problematic for us. In fact, for reasons that I and others have mentioned in this thread, we match up very well against the Eagles.

Thanks 12. I knew that it was our D we were talking about. Thought D but typed O. Brain fart.

My inability to understand how it would a effect us more or less than than any other team remains the same. I'll go back and read your thoughts about this and get back to you if I have anything cogent to say about it.

 

[RamFan503]

Thanks 12. I knew that it was our D we were talking about. Thought D but typed O. Brain fart.

My inability to understand how it would a effect us more or less than than any other team remains the same. I'll go back and read your thoughts about this and get back to you if I have anything cogent to say about it.

You won't. :fighting:

 

[RamsFan14]

I am not a fan of foles. That cat mark my words will be a fluke.

I think Foles is legit, he might not post numbers similar to his 27 to 2 TD/INT ratio, but I think he'll be effective for awhile. I have such a hard time believing he could be a fluke given what he did last year, but then again... No more D Jackson. I expect a decline in play, but I still expect him to be good. But anyway, this games worries, we have to win the battle of the trenches imo. It helps Foles is still young and that we have a vet like Greg Williams running the defense. Key IMO will be win the battle in the trenches (win both sides) and seeing if Greg Williams can confuse Foles in the pocket with his chaotic schemes.

 

[Alan]

RamFan503 underestimating my resources:
You won't. :fighting:

But I know how to fake it.

Learned the basics of that little trick from my ex-wife. My present wife refined my techniques. I like to work with professionals.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

To the OP;

I guess it's a good thing we have a great DL rotation (on paper at least)

 

[bluecoconuts]

As of right now I think we should be more concerned with not letting AP go off in the dome once again. Plenty of time to think about Philly when we get to them.

That. Right now a fresh AP behind a new offense is what I'm worried about.

 

[Alan]

12intheBox with a theory:
Up tempo only works if you are moving the chains. An up tempo 3 and out isn't all that scary. Plus, we match up very well against an Up Tempo offense because we have DL depth. Even if a team is able to get 75 offensive plays in against us - which they won't be able to - our starting front 4 would only see 45-50 of those at most - we are an effective 8 deep on the D Line.

Not only that - our offense is made to chew clock. When they take the field - they stay out there a while. Its the Eagles defense who will be gassed by the end of the game, not ours.

So doesn't not being able to sub your specialists in all the time have a drastic effect on our depth? Or at least the benefits of depth. What good is depth if the depth players don't play? The less they play the less the effect of having depth has doesn't it?

In addition, I don't understand your point about the 3 and outs. 3 and outs aren't scary in any offense, up tempo or not.

I'm not saying I think you're wrong because I can see how some things on the other side of the line would be affected. Their offenses won't be able to vary their weapons either. It's probably always going to make it easier to defend against for a team with a top defense and we have a top defense.

I also agree with your thoughts about our D-line players being fresher and less fatigued because of less work.

I think both of those reasons are kind of inconsequential though.

Probably the biggest reason why we'll be more effective than some other teams would is because of our coaching advantage. Martz or Lineham would really suck.

 

[AZRamsFan93]

Philly's fast paced offense is more about running than passing. They had the #1 rushing offense in the league behind Shady McCoy. We will need to worry about the run first before sacking Foles. Philly's offense is legit.

 

[rdlkgliders]

You won't. :fighting:

You are so bad. But Funny, leave Alan alone he's old even older than us. P.S nice breakdown of the Oregon Offense under Kelly.

 

[12intheBox]

So doesn't not being able to sub your specialists in all the time have a drastic effect on our depth? Or at least the benefits of depth. What good is depth if the depth players don't play? The less they play the less the effect of having depth has doesn't it?

In addition, I don't understand your point about the 3 and outs. 3 and outs aren't scary in any offense, up tempo or not.

I'm not saying I think you're wrong because I can see how some things on the other side of the line would be affected. Their offenses won't be able to vary their weapons either. It's probably always going to make it easier to defend against for a team with a top defense and we have a top defense.

I also agree with your thoughts about our D-line players being fresher and less fatigued because of less work.

I think both of those reasons are kind of inconsequential though.

Probably the biggest reason why we'll be more effective than some other teams would is because of our coaching advantage. Martz or Lineham would really suck.

While an uptempo offense can keep you from subbing play to play, there are still opportunities here and there and they can't stop you from subbing series to series.

Of course, the Rams will be prepared for the no huddle and will plan personnel groupings to counter the offensive personnel who comes out - knowing that they probably will have to keep those 11 guys on the field until they get themselves off the field.

As for 3 and outs, what I was referring to was that no matter how fast you go as an offense, you still have to gain 10 yds every 4 downs.

As for coaching, Jeff Fisher had been phenomenal in turning this franchise around. His players play hard, they love him, he can recruit, he is accessible to the media and fans, and he seems like a genuinely good guy.

I don't know how of much of it falls on coordinators, but they have been outcoached before. I hope that won't be the case with Williams on board.

 

[jrry32]

I can't say that concerns me that much. We have the defensive depth and athletes to handle Philly's tempo and speed. I'm more concerned about teams that can protect their QB AND have a top tier QB.

 

[Dodgersrf]

They still have to field 11 guys on the other side of the ball.
I'm more worried about cowboys offense. I'm not losing sleep over it. But I expect the cowboys to score some points. I'd take the over in every Dallas game.