While I agree with what you are saying here rhino, we have to ,or at least I have to consider that the Cardinals are not only an 11 win team they have gotten 5 of those wins behind backup Qbs who have won at least two games where the starter was put out of the game . Wells has got to go second butt fumble convinced me of that , but back to AZ if they'd had Palmer healthy all year they'd IMO have been comfortably in the lead for the HFA by last night and as I said yesterday they have people who can get after the passer they just aren't quite as heralded as our d-line . Further I think Tod Boles is every bit as good a DC as ours.
My conclusion there is yes we need both positions upgraded but Joseph could be a backup we really only need a guard I think we can get the kid from Bama to be our center by next year.
Shaun Hill .well what can I say ,I'm willing to accept he had a bad game , you/ I expect a guy who has spent his entire career as a backup to have bad games to perform great in spurts and then inexplicably go to pieces ,it's what keeps them 2nd , he is now if you want to count his w-l as him owning them at his career average 2-2,not terrible but unless we win out from here I doubt we have a lot of competition for his services if we want to keep him.
My NEW stuff on him is this ,on one of the desperation throws he launched last night he ran up in the pocket and rainbowed the ball in what appeared to be as far as he could throw it ,it traveled from our 21 to their 30 ........49 yards, if it had been allowed to hit the ground maybe 52 yards.
The punt pass and kick record for 13 year old passing is 56 yards and the 15 year old record is 7 inches short of 71 yards, I think Hill may have the weakest arm on the team caveat he was fatigued from the rest of the game which then would go to age and conditioning.
ALL THAT SAID,I still believe if he'd never been injured and played all year and our defense had turned in the performances it has the last 6 weeks all year we'd probably be 8-4 or 7-5 now , but I also believe we'd be either of those if AD had started all the games with the same defensive support.
My conclusion ,at the beginning of the season I was of the mind we could win enough games to be solidly in the playoff hunt at this moment with Hill as long as the defense played to it's sack city billing , and as I said I still think that, I also believe as I said Davis could have done representatively the same ,we are where we are because we were giving up an average of 144 yards per game for a stretch of games and not getting sacks and only an elite or semi elite QB was going to overcome that disadvantage.
The six straight 3 and outs we posted last night was so demoralizing I had to fight off sleep in order to watch .
I think the Hill Martz remembers isn't the one we have now ,I know how much harder I had to work at Hills age to keep my level of play in other sports from diminishing , hopefully he does what it takes in the off season to reclaim some of his arm strength,cuz from what I saw last night he's lost something it' hard to believe it was never better than that.
Edit: I have Hills w-l wrong it's 3-2 brain flatulance ,the rest stands
