NRC, "Goff does not take ownership"

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That's cold if he did say that. I get talking up your present QB but you don't have to take shots at the previous one to build up your current QB. Now I hope Goff picks on him all game long week 2.

I was just about to inquire whether we play the Green Birds this season.

Jerad: "NRC, watch me take ownership all game long against your sorry behind in Week Two! You need to learn to stop providing bulletin board material to your opponents, and I am volunteering to be your Daddy all game long!"
 

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i know he's only supporting his qb now but here's the thing about nrc, he doesn't know when to shut the fuck up.

after his non call in the nfc championship game he couldn't shut the fuck up about it during the build up to the superbowl. instead of playing it straight down the line and saying he thought he got there the same time as the ball he was almost gloating that he got away with blatant dpi. all he did was ensure that the refs were gonna screw the rams in the superbowl and the rams couldn't say shit about it.

Considering that the NFL's best defensive player was illegally face-masked on that very play, I say the Horns could have said whatever they wanted to about the refs if they wanted to.
 

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JANUARY 21, 2019

Exclusive: Sources inside Eagles paint Carson Wentz as 'selfish,' 'uncompromising' and 'playing favorites'
The franchise quarterback ‘complicated’ the offense, sources said, adding he didn’t want to run ‘Foles stuff’
Joseph Santoliquito

BY JOSEPH SANTOLIQUITO
PhillyVoice Contributor

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The 2018 Philadelphia Eagles season was an odd one. As defending Super Bowl champs, the Eagles dealt with, among other things, a potential Super Bowl hangover, roster turnover and a bevy of serious injuries. But the most unavoidable storyline of the year involved Carson Wentz, who came off a near MVP season and later ACL tear to return, go 5-6 as a starter and then be sidelined due to a back injury.
Further complicating matters was not only the return of last season's Super Bowl MVP, Nick Foles, who seemed to almost immediately get the offense back on track, but also that Wentz will be up for a new, likely monstrous contract at the end of next season.
So what happened? Why did the team play better behind Foles? Was it simply that Wentz was playing injured? Was it something else?
The circumstances surrounding Wentz and the Eagles’ offense were peculiar and we started asking questions.
Over the past two months, PhillyVoice spoke with more than a half dozen players, plus other sources close to the team, who all requested to remain anonymous — fearing repercussions given Wentz' power within the organization. And what they told us paints a somewhat different picture of the Eagles' locker room – and their franchise quarterback – than one might expect.
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Whereas some circles blamed the Eagles’ offensive failures on new offensive coordinator Mike Groh, numerous sources in and around the NFL and Eagles said they thought Wentz may have been the root of the Eagles’ offensive problems. Groh is a “good coach,” who was “bullied” by Wentz, according to sources. The problem with the offense this past season shouldn’t lie with Groh, it should “lie with Wentz,” they said.
Last Tuesday, Eagles coach Doug Pederson declared Wentz the starting quarterback moving forward.
One thing is certain: Every one of our sources said the same things almost verbatim about the relationship between Wentz and Nick Foles: “They love each other, they respect each other and they support each other.”
But while the sentiment in the Eagles’ locker room is that Foles is “universally loved,” Wentz isn’t.

His aw-shucks, overgrown-Opie-from-Mayberry routine plays well with the local and national media. Indeed, sources describe Wentz as “incredibly hard working,” “determined,” and “highly intelligent.” But the true Wentz is more nuanced and complicated, with sources describing him as “selfish,” “uncompromising,” “egotistical,” one who plays “favorites” and doesn’t like to be “questioned,” one who needs to “practice what he preaches" and fails “to take accountability.”
Numerous sources confirmed Wentz was once verbally attacked by a highly respected teammate for not being “a team guy.”
“Carson Wentz’s biggest enemy is Carson Wentz,” one source said. “He’s had his ass kissed his whole life, and sometimes acts like he’s won 10 Super Bowls, when he hasn’t played in, let alone won, a playoff game yet. Everyone around him wants good things for him. He did more thinking on the field than he did playing (in 2018). You don’t have to be a brain surgeon or a football expert to see how differently this team plays and reacts with one guy as opposed to the other."
According to multiple sources, Wentz tended to “complicate” the offense. He didn’t let it come organically, as Foles did. According to one source, Wentz could “complicate 2+2.”
Wentz, according to sources, created friction within the offense.
This was different in 2016 and '17 under former Eagles coaches Frank Reich, now the Indianapolis Colts’ head coach, and John DeFilippo, the new Jacksonville Jaguars offensive coordinator, because they would rein Wentz in and stop him from going off-point, sources said. Reich and DeFilippo are two respected, entrenched NFL coaches who have experienced success. They forced Wentz to run the Eagles’ offense, a Super Bowl-winning offense that scored 41 points in the biggest game in franchise history and outdueled all-time great Tom Brady.
Ask yourself who had the better season: Wentz (279-for-401, 3,074 yards, 21 TDs, 7 INTs, sacked 31 times) or Andrew Luck (430-for-639, 4,593 yards, 39 TDs, 15 INTs, sacked 18 times)?
The Colts' offense nearly mirrored the one run last year by the Eagles.
According to multiple sources, Wentz tended to “complicate” the offense. He didn’t let it come organically, as Foles did. According to one source, Wentz could “complicate 2+2.”
Reich and DeFilippo stressed to Wentz the importance of sticking with the play that was called — a completed pass was there waiting. When Wentz deviated from that, it was sometimes met with bad consequences, like an interception or a sack. When Wentz trusted what Reich and DeFilippo called, it led to an MVP-like season that produced an Eagles’ single-season franchise record 33 touchdown passes and an 11-2 record in 13 games.
Pederson, Reich and DeFilippo were the perfect storm of coaches. Each had their strengths, and each complemented one another.
With Reich taking the top job with the Colts and DeFilippo joining the Vikings this season, the Eagles’ offense was going to be pretty much the same, or so the players thought. There was one major exception: Wentz didn’t want to run many of the concepts, because he felt that was “Foles’ stuff,” sources said. But as anyone who watched the Eagles could see, Foles and the Eagles’ offense was successful running their “normal stuff.”
Aggravation came in knowing that if Wentz was the more dominant player — and he is — why wouldn’t the offense be even more prolific with him running it than Foles?
MORE: Eagles teammates defend Carson Wentz on Twitter following PhillyVoice report
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The glaring difference is that Foles, every source stated, would go through progressions within the offense — exactly how it was designed to run — and hit the open receiver, regardless of who it was or where they were on the field. Wentz only saw, it seemed, one receiver the majority of the season: Zach Ertz. This understandably frustrated the rest of the offense, considering other receivers were open downfield. To stop the Eagles in 2018 under Wentz was rather easy: Stop No. 86.
Wentz’s proclivity for playing “favorites” manifested itself in targeting Ertz, who went on to catch a single-season NFL-record 116 passes for a tight end. Over the 11 games Wentz played, he went to Ertz 106 times (an average of 9.6 targets per game), while Alshon Jeffery was targeted 74 times (7.4 targets per game) and Nelson Agholor 60 times (5.4 targets per game). Sources added, without any great revelation, that Jordan Matthews is an Eagle because “of his buddy Wentz.”
This even came out during the year before Wentz got hurt, but the Eagles' veteran leadership and locker room conducted themselves in a way that avoided it becoming a big story.
An unnamed source in a story by ESPN's Josina Anderson said of the Eagles' struggles after the Saints loss, "I really felt like when we came out of camp, we didn’t have that same identity, that same rhythm, that camaraderie that you build on and off the field."
The same source also mentioned that the team was "over-targeting Zach Ertz."
The offensive players primarily felt more comfortable and confident with Foles – again, not a great revelation – because they knew he would get everyone involved in the offense. Foles would check down, if he had to, but he wasn’t going to audible out of running plays, as Wentz had a tendency to do this past season.
Wentz also had a propensity to pull the ball when he was about to hand off to the running backs, and check down to Ertz, despite having one of the NFL’s better offensive lines to run behind. It would frustrate the offensive line, the running backs and the wide receivers — basically everyone on the field at the time, with the exception of Wentz and Ertz. This too came out during the season, as Anderson mentioned it from her source.

In 2017, the Eagles won by gassing teams. In 2018, Wentz’s penchant to show so little confidence in other aspects of the Eagles’ offense not only limited its performance — in turn, it limited Wentz. He took more abuse this season (31 sacks in 11 games in 2018, as opposed to 28 sacks in 13 games in 2017) than he did his first two years in the NFL. That came partly because Carson Wentz couldn’t be “Carson Wentz,” the Teflon ginger that mesmerized the NFL in 2017 with his Harry Houdini escapes, since he was nowhere close to being 100-percent healthy, despite what Wentz has said publicly.
Losing Torrey Smith, Trey Burton, Brent Celek and LeGarrette Blount is important to note. Smith, who was not a great player, knew where to find openings on the field and made tough catches. Burton was under-appreciated here and created matchup problems. Celek played an integral role in the offense, and was reliable. Blount was a pounding runner who took stress off Wentz in the red zone.
Our sources expressed the same narrative: Wentz was so hell-bent on getting back after Foles led the Eagles to the Super Bowl that he risked his own health, the health of the offense and the health of the Eagles in doing so. That translated into a 6-7 season, up until Pederson announced that Wentz had a stress fracture in his back and would be doubtful the final three regular-season games, spurring further questions about Wentz’s long-term health.
Psychologically, Wentz might not have fully trusted the surgically-repaired left knee he injured on Dec. 10, 2017, when he tore his ACL and LCL against the Los Angeles Rams.
Wentz wasn't 100 percent the whole season, sources agreed. Though, actually, that didn’t have to come from people inside the NovaCare Complex, or from those very familiar with Wentz’s game. Everyone could see it. Wentz couldn’t escape the pocket as freely as he did in 2017, getting caught by linebackers from behind. Sources estimated that Wentz was probably at about 80 percent of what makes Carson Wentz the special player he has been and should be.
Most of Wentz’s incomplete passes were low. He wasn’t throwing under a strong base, pushing his passes more from his arm and shoulder than from his strength, his legs.
Wentz also struggled reading defenses this season, according to sources. His eyes were all over the place. Consequently, his scope of the field was far narrower. He pressed. Going into games, the running backs and wide receivers would openly question how many touches they would get, because they felt Wentz wouldn’t look their way. The offensive linemen grew angry because Wentz’s indecision would cause him to hold the ball longer than necessary — resulting in sacks and hits.
"We know what type of player he can be, and who he normally is," one source said. "He needs to realize it’s the Philadelphia Eagles not the Philadelphia Carsons."
After practices, Pederson will single out a player and ask what accountability means to him. After a particularly biting loss in November, there was an awkward moment. Pederson asked one of the more prominent offensive players to define what accountability means. So fed up with his limited role under Wentz, the player said nothing. He checked out.
By early December, after the overtime loss in Dallas, the team’s whole synergy changed when Foles took over. The last three games, the Eagles were running “training camp” plays — and winning, sources said.

But at least he knows NRC’s name....
 

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I can't get all cancel culture with NRC. I thank him for his contributions to the Rams and wish him well, except when we need his team to lose.

To me, if Goff had ownership of the offense, prior to this year, there wouldn't be this talk from the Rams of getting Goff ownership of the offense this coming season:

 

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You know this/these comments from an x player about his team are like me listening to an X old lady after she's gone.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

And how many of the press look/push said player to talk some smack ???
 

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I was more offended by a comment made yesterday on the NFL Network by renowned pro football expert MJ Acosta.

On an Eagles segment, she opened with two comments about their early season schedule. She noted a ‘lack of strength of schedule’ with the Eagles first four opponents ... Washington, Rams, Bengals and Niners.

Then further noted that there was ‘just one Marquee Matchup in those games’.


That MJ Acosta really knows her stuff.
 

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Guy is a chump, all he's known for is one bad play, good luck with your peanut brittle QB
 

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I was more offended by a comment made yesterday on the NFL Network by renowned pro football expert MJ Acosta.

On an Eagles segment, she opened with two comments about their early season schedule. She noted a ‘lack of strength of schedule’ with the Eagles first four opponents ... Washington, Rams, Bengals and Niners.

Then further noted that there was ‘just one Marquee Matchup in those games’.


That MJ Acosta really knows her stuff.
And I bet that so called Marque match up was the 49ers.

I don't know if she wrote it cause the 9ers are #2 in odds winning the SB or the fact she covered the Team for awhile.,which would explain her thoughts a little more.
 

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"Goff does not take ownership of the offense like Wentz". per NRC

Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ pal !

Personally I never liked NRC, was really pissed off when he couldn't shut up after the NO game, and am glad he's gone.

Let Philly have him-- good luck with that. We've got much better coverage guys now.
 

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And I bet that so called Marque match up was the 49ers.

I don't know if she wrote it cause the 9ers are #2 in odds winning the SB or the fact she covered the Team for awhile.,which would explain her thoughts a little more.

Sure she meant the Niners.

Did not know she covered the team. Thought her expertise came from her two years as a Dolphins cheerleader.

Also guessing she does not know (or care) that the Rams had a better record than the Eagles.
 

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Sure she meant the Niners.

Did not know she covered the team. Thought her expertise came from her two years as a Dolphins cheerleader.

Also guessing she does not know (or care) that the Rams had a better record than the Eagles.
Yeah kinda follow her when I can, she's a Miami gal and I grew up there also.
She also covered the Raiders she was basically the Bay area NFL reporter for the 2 teams.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out what NRC means by taking control of the offense.

I'll say this for Wentz. Last year he had no name WRs which I think led him to take more responsibility to get everyone on the same page. Eagles got better late against weaker teams. He did seem to be more of a leader. As the article questioned he had favorites and may have been a me-first teammate in the past.

Jared seems to be a team player. He certainly spreads the ball around evenly. It appears he has the respect of the players. I know he leads them in and out of the huddle. He has a good command of the hurry-up offense. It was always a bit of Jared and Gurley's offense. Now, I think it's going to be Jared's offense.

I wonder as others have mentioned that McVay is too restrictive by not allowing Jared to change play at the LOS McVay calls in two plays run and pass for which Goff decides at the LOS which to run. Jared said he worked on his leg strength and foot speed this offseason. I think that demonstrates he is ready to take on more responsibility. Having O'Connel as OC will help Jared take a big jump this year. I'm still not sure what NRC definition of taking control of the offense is but, I know Jared Goff will do whatever it takes to keep improving every day.
 

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From the outside it looks like they just have totally different personalities, doesn’t make one better, just different and if you’re not a rah rah guy then don’t try to be one. I’m sure it works both ways with some of that stuff like when Brady introduces himself to rookies. Brady knows that they know who he is so is it just for show or does he really care about some defensive guy who might not make the team.