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LA Times poll on "Which NFL team would you like to see come to L.A.?" It's kind of interesting, but you can vote more than once, so that kind of blows the whole thing out of the water. Linkage..

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-poll-nfl-los-angeles-20150130-htmlstory.html

And to all my STL brethren... Don't be going there and voting the Raiders or Chargers, especially voting multiple times.. :popcorn:
That is interesting. I would have thought the Chargers would have better numbers.
 

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That is interesting. I would have thought the Chargers would have better numbers.

Raiders had more of a tenure there.. I'm assuming that's why? I remember when both them and the Rams where there I had 2 friends (brothers actually) in the LA area that said they would support the Raiders more in staying. These cats lived in Arcadia and Diamond Bar, respectively. They told me they'd rather go to the beach, but that's not here nor there. That's what they said though. They were more baseball fans. Knew them from fantasy leagues in the 80's up to 1997.
 

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Buck: Can't Imagine NFL Not Being in St. Louis

[av]http://www.insidestlaudio.com/PrimeTime/012815-2PT.mp3[/av]

http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLc...k-Cant-Imagine-NFL-Not-Being-in-St-Louis.aspx


Fox Sports' top play-by-play man and St. Louis native Joe Buck made local waves in November when he said he was "really disappointed" in Rams owner Stan Kroenke over his continued silence on the future of the franchise.

Since then, Kroenke unveiled a new stadium project in California and Mo. Gov. Jay Nixon's two-man stadium task force has countered with a St. Louis riverfront stadium proposal of its own.

So it was only natural to find out Buck's latest thoughts on the situation when he sat down with CBS Sports 920 at Super Bowl XLIX's Radio Rowon Wednesday.

"I think nobody knows the real answers and the reason is you have an owner who isn't really engaging in conversation with the St. Louis side of things and you've got an LA market that's been out there for all these teams to use as leverage for their own home stadium or eventually jump and go there. There are so many moving parts to this thing that we are miles away from the end of this fight," he said.

Buck did have a positive outlook for those wanting St. Louis to stay an NFL city.

"I think at the end of the story I think it'll be a good news scenario for St. Louis if the politicians to the public and if people actually want to build a new stadium. If they don't want to build a new stadium and there needs to be a vote taken, goodbye, it's gone," he said. "The minute that happens, I don't care what you say, is the minute you're scrambling to get a team back. It's easy to forget how fun it was when the Rams were rolling. My personal opinion on it is someway, some how, I can't imagine the NFL not being in St. Louis and being in some of the other cities that have an even worse situation than we do."
 

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Well said, but Kahn was sincere. Why the meeting with Khan? You're taking the team from him. As Colonel Hogan would say, something's rotten in Denmark.
Sincere doesn't buy a team. Nailing down details does. The details of a deal are rarely there until the parties are ready to sign.

Not chase down, but yeah contact them and open communication. Stan was the one "wanting" public money. No? Why should political leaders have to chase after him? It's a 2 way street man. if I want free money, the people I'm getting from most certainly do not come to me. That doesn't make sense.
Again - we don't actually know that this wasn't done. If I take anything (not sure I do) out of Goodell's words he seems to indicate that Stan tried to get them to work on something. But I don't know this for sure. Still, I think Stan demonstrated what he was looking for. So yeah - the CVC and the city knew that public money has always been part of the equation in anything that Stan was going to accept to stay in St Louis.

It quite simply WAS in the CVC's court (or those interested in keeping the Rams in St Louis) once arbitration sided with Stan. I'm not sure how that is at question. At minimum I would think that the CVC or whomever should have countered with something so that the negotiations could go forward.

I believe that has been done? :cool:
After how long though? I'm not saying the too little too late mantra is accurate. I'm just saying the urgency might not have been there to Stan's liking.

PS. This quote system is not good.. lol
This quote system is AWESOME. Just highlight the particular statement or words you want to quote and add it. After you have added the quotes you want to respond to, you just insert them into your response and have at them. If you only want to reply to one thing, you can select reply instead of +Quote. I've never seen a better one.
 

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Not sure what to make of this:

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Sincere doesn't buy a team. Nailing down details does. The details of a deal are rarely there until the parties are ready to sign.


Again - we don't actually know that this wasn't done. If I take anything (not sure I do) out of Goodell's words he seems to indicate that Stan tried to get them to work on something. But I don't know this for sure. Still, I think Stan demonstrated what he was looking for. So yeah - the CVC and the city knew that public money has always been part of the equation in anything that Stan was going to accept to stay in St Louis.

It quite simply WAS in the CVC's court (or those interested in keeping the Rams in St Louis) once arbitration sided with Stan. I'm not sure how that is at question. At minimum I would think that the CVC or whomever should have countered with something so that the negotiations could go forward.

After how long though? I'm not saying the too little too late mantra is accurate. I'm just saying the urgency might not have been there to Stan's liking.


This quote system is AWESOME. Just highlight the particular statement or words you want to quote and add it. After you have added the quotes you want to respond to, you just insert them into your response and have at them. If you only want to reply to one thing, you can select reply instead of +Quote. I've never seen a better one.

It turns it into a box and only shows like a 1/3 of the quote.. just saying. Much easier quotation systems out there.

See this for example.. :)
 

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It turns it into a box and only shows like a 1/3 of the quote.. just saying. Much easier quotation systems out there.

See this for example.. :)
Personally, I don't like having to scroll down through a bunch of responses that quote some long post or article. Pull the section you want to respond to and quote it. Then you can see the specific text to which you are responding. Seems seriously clean and precise.
 

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Personally, I don't like having to scroll down through a bunch of responses that quote some long post or article. Pull the section you want to respond to and quote it. Then you can see the specific text to which you are responding. Seems seriously clean and precise.

That's a lot of work man.. Just saying.. :cool: I shall though.. :D

By "pull" you mean "copy"?
 

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Missouri Sen. Robert Schaaf Talks St. Louis Stadium Proposal on Hollywood Casino Press Box

[av]http://www.insidestlaudio.com/Pressbox/013015-2PB.mp3[/av]

This cat is pretty much clueless.. Good luck Mr. Nixon.. Listen to this guy and you wonder why govt and even business in this country is in the shape it's in. Good Lord, 100 % of the members here are more in touch with what's going on than this cat.

What I speak of is him saying that Kroenke could change his mind and build a stadium here.. lol He does have good points on the legislative process though. St. Louis is not going to get a a new stadium IMHO, especially after listening to this cat.

Here's the text:

Brian Hoffman posted on January 30, 2015 12:23
Missouri State Sen. Robert Schaaf, R-St. Joseph, filed filed a bill Monday that would require legislative approval to extend any existing bonds for more than $50 million. If passed, the bill would directly impact Gov. Jay Nixon's ability to extend the bonds on the Edward Jones Dome to cover costs for the proposed new riverfront stadium.

Schaaf joined the Hollywood Casino Press Box Friday to discuss the legislative issues regarding financing for the Rams stadium

Thoughts on Governor Nixon claiming he doesn't need legislative support: Now we are in a battle between the legislature and the executive branch about this. If the Governor thinks that he can obligate the citizens for 1/3 of a billion dollars, he's got another thing coming. There is no way, under our Constitution, that that is allowed. This isn't about the stadium, this isn't about the Rams, this is about the Governor thinking he can do this.

If it came to a vote, how would he vote?: No, heck no. The voters would never approve this, why would anyone think that we should do this when they know the people of Missouri don't want this?

What are his thoughts on keeping Missouri a 2 football team state: There is nothing, at all, stopping the city of St. Louis spending whatever money they want to improve the sport stadium or do whatever they want there. The state of Missouri is not designed to support NFL teams. I don't believe that state government was about helping NFL teams stay in this state.

 

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Missouri Sen. Robert Schaaf Talks St. Louis Stadium Proposal on Hollywood Casino Press Box

[av]http://www.insidestlaudio.com/Pressbox/013015-2PB.mp3[/av]

This cat is pretty much clueless.. Good luck Mr. Nixon.. Listen to this guy and you wonder why govt and even business in this country is in the shape it's in. Good Lord, 100 % of the members here are more in touch with what's going on than this cat.

What I speak of is him saying that Kroenke could change his mind and build a stadium here.. lol He does have good points on the legislative process though. St. Louis is not going to get a a new stadium IMHO, especially after listening to this cat.

Here's the text:

Brian Hoffman posted on January 30, 2015 12:23
Missouri State Sen. Robert Schaaf, R-St. Joseph, filed filed a bill Monday that would require legislative approval to extend any existing bonds for more than $50 million. If passed, the bill would directly impact Gov. Jay Nixon's ability to extend the bonds on the Edward Jones Dome to cover costs for the proposed new riverfront stadium.

Schaaf joined the Hollywood Casino Press Box Friday to discuss the legislative issues regarding financing for the Rams stadium

Thoughts on Governor Nixon claiming he doesn't need legislative support: Now we are in a battle between the legislature and the executive branch about this. If the Governor thinks that he can obligate the citizens for 1/3 of a billion dollars, he's got another thing coming. There is no way, under our Constitution, that that is allowed. This isn't about the stadium, this isn't about the Rams, this is about the Governor thinking he can do this.

If it came to a vote, how would he vote?: No, heck no. The voters would never approve this, why would anyone think that we should do this when they know the people of Missouri don't want this?

What are his thoughts on keeping Missouri a 2 football team state: There is nothing, at all, stopping the city of St. Louis spending whatever money they want to improve the sport stadium or do whatever they want there. The state of Missouri is not designed to support NFL teams. I don't believe that state government was about helping NFL teams stay in this state.

"I don't believe the founding fathers wanted us to have football, blah blah, and a bunch of other short sighted nonsense."

Robert Schaaf R-St Joseph
 

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"I don't believe the founding fathers wanted us to have football, blah blah, and a bunch of other short sighted nonsense."

Robert Schaaf R-St Joseph

If the founding fathers ever witnessed football, they would have put it in the constitution. :cool:
 

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This quote system is AWESOME. Just highlight the particular statement or words you want to quote and add it. After you have added the quotes you want to respond to, you just insert them into your response and have at them. If you only want to reply to one thing, you can select reply instead of +Quote. I've never seen a better one.


Testing, testing, 1,2,3.. Houston we have a solution. :cool:
 

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Goodell speaks about franchise relocation
• By Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_810ace79-8b67-560c-aaa0-fe6b43f315a8.html

PHOENIX • While expressing a general league-wide desire to keep franchises in their current markets, and deeming the St. Louis stadium effort a positive development, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell also issued a vague warning about the Rams’ ability to meet relocation guidelines.

“We want all of our franchises to stay in their current markets,” Goodell said Friday at the annual State of the NFL press conference. “That’s a shared responsibility; that’s something that we all have to work on.”

Goodell cited programs, including the league’s stadium-funding program, that are available to cities trying to build new stadiums.

“And we will work, and have worked with communities including St. Louis,” he added.

Goodell said the business community — as well as the public sector — needed to be engaged in a stadium-building project to make sure a plan works for both the community and the team. The idea is making sure that teams can be successful long-term in that market.

Goodell also had good things to say about the St. Louis stadium initiative headed by Gov. Jay Nixon’s two-man task force of former Anheuser-Busch executive Dave Peacock and St. Louis attorney Bob Blitz.

“The St. Louis representatives seem determined to build a stadium,” Goodell said. “That’s a positive development and something that we look forward to working on with them.”

(Peacock was scheduled to attend the commissioner’s annual Super Bowl party Friday night, in more of a meet-and-greet setting than any nuts-and-bolts meeting.)

But when asked about Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s seeming lack of direct engagement in the St. Louis project, and whether that constituted a failure to meet the league’s relocation guidelines, Goodell didn’t exactly give the answer that St. Louis wanted.

“Stan has been working on the stadium issues in St. Louis, as you know, for several years,” Goodell said. “They had a formal (arbitration) process as part of their lease. They went through that entire process.

“So I don’t think the stadium is a surprise to anybody, in any market that is having these issues. There’s been quite a bit of discussion about it.”

Longtime NFL stadium consultant Marc Ganis, who as usual attended the commissioner’s press conference, saw both positives and negatives to Goodell’s remarks with respect to St. Louis.

“(Goodell) is not foreclosing any options,” said Ganis, president of Chicago-based SportsCorp. “Unlike many of the reports that are out there that (a team in) LA is somehow a foregone conclusion, he was very clear that is absolutely not the case for any team and for any owner — and that includes of course Stan Kroenke.”

Earlier this month, Kroenke announced plans to build a stadium in Inglewood, Calif., as part of an overall development plan in the Hollywood Park area of Los Angeles.

“What Roger is also saying about St. Louis that came through loud and clear was: Get your stadium deal put together, and make it solid,” said Ganis, who worked as a Rams consultant when the team moved to St. Louis from Southern California in 1995.

“The previous three years related to the arbitration process is going to be taken into account when the issue is raised as to whether the Rams and Stan Kroenke worked in good faith with the community. That is gonna be taken as part of the effort.”

However, Ganis’ view in terms of meeting relocation guidelines was not universally shared by those who listened to Goodell’s remarks Friday.

“What has Kroenke been doing in St. Louis for the past few years in St. Louis?” said one longtime NFL team executive familiar with the situation. “All he has done is participate in the arbitration. He made it clear he wanted to go year-to-year, and wouldn’t discuss a settlement or compromise.”

The Rams formally exercised their option to go year-to-year on the Edward Jones Stadium lease on Monday.

According to the NFL’s relocation guidelines, teams must show they have exhausted all efforts to settle their stadium (or other) issues in their current market before being allowed to move to another city.

Goodell did emphasize the importance of following relocation guidelines for any team wanting to move to Los Angeles. As far as the league is concerned, going rogue and moving without league approval is not an option.

“The ownership takes very seriously the obligation for us all to vote on any serious matter, including relocation of a franchise,” Goodell said. “There’s a relocation policy that is very clear. We have shared it with our ownership over the last several years.

“We have emphasized the point in each of those meetings that there will be at least one vote if not multiple votes if there is any relocation. We would potentially have the relocation itself, potential stadium funding, potential Super Bowls. So a lot of things that likely would be subject to a vote. So any relocation would be subject to a vote.”

Even with the announcement of Kroenke’s LA stadium plan, Goodell said, there has been no determination that the league wants a team there at this point — or that it has decided on any of several proposed stadium sites in the area.

“As a league, we haven’t gotten to that stage yet,” Goodell said. “We have several alternatives that we’re evaluating from a site standpoint. There are teams that are interested but are trying to work their issues out locally.”

Besides the Rams, those teams are Oakland and San Diego. On Friday, there was an announcement in San Diego on the formation of a task force to try to resolve the Chargers’ stadium situation.

After Goodell’s press conference, Pittsburgh Steelers chairman Dan Rooney echoed the commissioner’s thoughts on keeping the Rams in St. Louis.

“We don’t want any team to be moving,” Rooney told the Post-Dispatch. “We think that if they stay in their own area, and work at it, do a lot of really good things as far as community relations and things like that, that they’ll be successful.

“Sure you need a new stadium if it’s old. We don’t play St. Louis very often, so I can’t say that I’m right on the button as far as your stadium is concerned.”

Rooney also indicated that the television networks had talked about putting a team in Los Angeles.

“You know, they talk about it all the time,” he said. “They’ve done pretty well without (a team in LA). But there are people that want to go there. But as I answered the question earlier, we’re not anxious to have people move and things like that. Maybe the right thing can be accomplished.”
 

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Bernie: Three ways to view Goodell's remarks
• By Bernie Miklasz

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...cle_da43a2df-7932-58f8-a2b5-00343688d9ef.html

PHOENIX • From a St. Louis standpoint, here are my three Rams-related takeaways from comments made by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell during his annual state of the league address Friday:

1. The good: “The St. Louis representatives seem determined to build a stadium,” Goodell said. “That’s a positive development and something we look forward to working on with them.”

Goodell also reiterated that the NFL wants all of their franchises to stay in their current markets and termed it a “shared responsibility” among the community, team and league.

Now, none of this means Goodell plans to throw himself in front of moving vans to block Rams owner Stan Kroenke from taking the team to Los Angeles. But positive public comments from the commissioner are welcome and can help the St. Louis stadium task force headed by Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz.

There is a psychological aspect to this. Peacock doesn’t want fans, politicians or area leaders to think the quest to save the Rams is hopeless. Peacock insists the situation is far from hopeless, and Goodell and other league executives have urged Peacock to keep working hard.

So even if Goodell’s words are just that — words — the surface-level encouragement can be good for keeping folks motivated. Including Peacock and Blitz.

2. The bad: When asked if Kroenke is working to exhaust all opportunities for a stadium solution in St. Louis in a way that would comply with the NFL guidelines on franchise relocation, Goodell gave Kroenke a pass. This is potentially important and something to remember.

“Stan has been working on the stadium issue in St. Louis for several years,” said Goodell, referring to the Rams’ dispute with the Convention and Visitors Commission over the “top tier” status of the Edward Jones Dome. After a lengthy arbitration process, the Rams won the decision and their lease converted to a year-to-year arrangement.

Goodell’s comment was revealing. If Kroenke attempts to move the Rams, and submits his request to a vote of the NFL owners, we can expect Kroenke to argue that he fulfilled his obligation to find a St. Louis solution by simply entering into arbitration.

This, of course, is preposterous.

Kroenke took time to meet with the mayor of Inglewood, Calif., before ramping up plans to build a stadium complex on the old Hollywood Park grounds near Los Angeles. Kroenke, however, has refused to meet with the St. Louis stadium task force. He has refused to meet with Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon. He hasn’t met with St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay. Kroenke continues to ignore phone calls and requests to discuss the STL stadium.

The arbitration was settled only two years ago, and St. Louis already has cultivated a plan for a new stadium. Compare that to the San Diego Chargers, who have been trying to get a new stadium built in their market for a dozen years. Or the Oakland Raiders, who have been stuck in a terrible stadium situation for a decade.

And Kroenke will try to convince Goodell and the owners that he worked in good faith to exhaust all opportunities in St. Louis? Really? The same guy who won’t even meet with the political leaders or take their phone calls?

But as we’ve written multiple times, the NFL owners don’t have to adhere to the guidelines if they’re asked to vote on a Kroenke-Rams move. If Kroenke can convince enough owners that he made an honest effort in STL, then maybe he’d get the necessary votes (24) to pull the Rams out of St. Louis. (And Kroenke already is working on his fellow owners.)

Goodell not only tipped Kroenke’s likely strategy Friday; the commissioner also gave the league some wiggle room on the guidelines. That isn’t surprising. Again: This league will do whatever it wants to do, and that includes putting its own rules in the shredder if it benefits the NFL’s interests.

3. The predictable: Goodell tried to convince everyone that the NFL will really, really, enforce its relocation rules. But when asked what the NFL would do if Kroenke went “rogue” and moved the Rams to LA in defiance of the league’ wishes, Goodell talked around it and never gave a direct answer. And that’s all we need to know about that.

All in all, Goodell’s approach was what I expected. He slowed the breathless speculation that a Rams-LA deal was all but inevitable. He gave a lift to Peacock and Blitz and expressed a desire to have the league work with St. Louis on the stadium issue. But Goodell also reaffirmed an unpleasant reality: The NFL relocation guidelines are a matter of interpretation. And that could create a convenient loophole for Kroenke.

Stay calm. There’s going to be a lot of ups and downs before the key figures throw down and make their play.

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The Pro Football Hall of Fame discussion, debate and vote gets underway Saturday morning at 7 a.m. (Phoenix time). The late Junior Seau will almost certainly be one of the five modern-era candidates chosen from a list of 15. In recent years the selection committee has been obsessed with putting in pass rushers , so it might be a happy day for Kevin Greene or Charles Haley.

But other than that, I don’t have a sense of how the vote will go. I’ll be making a pitch for “Greatest Show” greats Orlando Pace and Kurt Warner. I don’t think it’s realistic for both to pick up enough votes for a first-ballot induction, but I’d be extremely disappointed if both missed out this time.
 

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Personally, I don't like having to scroll down through a bunch of responses that quote some long post or article. Pull the section you want to respond to and quote it. Then you can see the specific text to which you are responding. Seems seriously clean and precise.

This ^^^

@Dagonet

If you want to quote the whole thing, like I did above, just left-click 'reply.' If you want to quote only a part of someone's post, just highlight what you want and left-click 'reply.' I never click the quote function. Hope that helps.
 

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If Stan is worth 5 billion (which he is worth more) then 250K is like .005% of his worth. It would be like someone who makes 100K a year giving up 5 dollars.

That doesn't mean that he is or isn't going to do something, but 250K is chump change to a guy of his worth.
Yeah, I get it. But he's also got this persona that he's a shrewd business man. Most businesses, regardless of how much they are worth, would commit to paying someone a quarter million dollars if they had no intention of going through with the use of the service or good.

The Rams/Stan have already let St. Louis in on the fact they are looking at moving, just what exactly would be the purpose of committing to the CVC for 2015 if they are planning on leaving before then? Just a $250,000 parting gift?
 
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