Moraitis: Dickerson destroys Chris Weinke...

[den-the-coach]

Eric Dickerson is at it again and this time his victim is Los Angeles Rams quarterbacks coach, Chris Weinke.
Eric Dickerson appeared on SiriusXM Radio and absolutely destroyed Los Angeles Rams quarterbacks coach, Chris Weinke.

Let’s put it this way: Weinke won’t be inviting him over for Thanksgiving dinner this year.

Dickerson once again shared his brutally honest take on things and stated that he doesn’t believe Weinke can develop Jared Goff into a great quarterback, per Alden Gonzalez of ESPN:

“Show me the proof. Show me your history. What history do you have working with quarterbacks, developing quarterbacks? Then I can believe. And I just believe that they don’t have the right coaches in place for him, and that’s what it comes down to.”

Dickerson went on to call the offense “boring as hell,” which is something he said earlier in the week on his own radio show. He also gave Jared Goff’s preseason showing a “D” grade.

The Rams legend had a slightly different tone on his show. Yes, he did call the Rams boring then, but he actually defended Jeff Fisher. Dickerson claimed the decision to draft Goff actually came from upper management and called it a “suits decision.”

Sure, Dickerson’s opinions are harsh and sometimes over-the-top, but he really taps into the feelings of most Rams fans out there. He has become the spokesperson for those who spend Sundays screaming at their television – and have been doing so regularly for more than a decade now.

Fans can only hope Goff is the answer, otherwise it’ll be even longer before this franchise actually produces a record above .500, which hasn’t happened since the 2003 season.

[ramblinfan.com]

 

[Dieter the Brock]

the "D" grade for Goff during the pre-season stands for "Dickerson" - so it's a decent

I love Dickerson but he's not the best dude for football analysis is he? Maybe he has Zeke on the brain ?

The author says "he really taps into the feelings of Ram fans" but i disagree - Weinke and Groh have good pedegrees and credentials, and when all is said and done it's gonna be Goff's brains and talent that take this team to the Super Bowl

 

[den-the-coach]

Interesting piece whereas it's not the first time it has been reported that the Goff decision was not Fisher's or Snead's, which is odd because who was it? I highly doubt Stan Kroenke forced the kid on Fisher, so was it Demoff, who was able to convince Stan that the California Kid would be good for business?

The irony here is Goff and Wentz were rated 1 & 2 others might of had it reversed, but Lynch was always a distant third and Dak Prescott after the DUI slipped. Honestly in preseason Goff did not look good and some of his answers seem rehearsed and not natural.

Others on this board have touted Goff highly and it's not like Keenum was making a good case for himself week over week, however, Goff did score like 38 on the Wonderelic, but he could be smart and not sharp there is a difference. IMO, tough to go after Weinke as he has only been a QB Coach for a couple of years, it's not like he's had a large body of work at any level.

Overall the key is Goff cannot turn the ball over and must showcase the ability to get the ball downfield, something that Keenum could not do consistently. If Goff can be stable in the pocket and not make crazy mistakes like dropping snaps for example, IMO, it should be okay, however, all of us will be very nervous come Sunday, but I for one want to believe in this kid and let's hope that Goff showcases the upside all of us are hoping for in Los Angeles.

 

[Prime Time]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/e...liott-has-no-chance-at-rookie-rushing-record/

Eric Dickerson says Ezekiel Elliott has no chance at rookie rushing record
The Pro Football Hall of Famer says his record is 'safe'
by John Breech

For the past 33 years, Pro Football Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson has held one of the most hallowed rushing records in NFL history.

Back in 1983, Dickerson rushed for 1,808 yards during his first year in the NFL, which still stands as the highest rookie rushing total in league history. Over the past three decades, hundreds of players have attempted to break the record, but none have come close.

As a matter of fact, since Dickerson broke the record in 1983, only one rookie has even rushed for 1,600 yards in a season, and that was Alfred Morris in 2012 (1,613). Adrian Peterson (1,341), Barry Sanders (1,470) and Emmitt Smith (937) are all elite running backs who fell well short of breaking the rookie record.

After 33 years though, Dickerson's record might finally fall. Through nine games, Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott has 1,005 rushing yards, which puts him on pace for 1,787 yards. At this point, all Elliott would need is one huge game and he'd be on pace to break the record.

Dickerson doesn't expect that to happen, though. During an interview on SportsCenter this week, the former Rams running back said that there's no way Elliott will break his record.

"Zeke does a great job of picking and choosing his holes, he really does," Dickerson said, via USA Today. "And the offensive line, they stopped everybody at the line of scrimmage. But is he gonna break that record? No, he ain't gonna break that record. That record's safe."

Dickerson has been pretty confident about his record all year. Before the season started, Dickerson laughed when Elliott told him he was gunning for the record.

"He told me through his agent that he was going to break my record," Dickerson said at the time. "I just laughed and said, 'Good luck.' Many have said that; all have failed. I like the record because you get one shot at it and that's it, because you're a rookie one time. You don't get three or four shots at that record. 'Oh, let me do it again.' Nah."

To put Elliott's pace in perspective, Dickerson was at 1,223 yards through nine games of his rookie season in 1983 after the Rams made him the second-overall pick in the NFL Draft.

If Elliott is going to break the record, he's going to have to run through some solid defenses to do it. Of the seven remaining games on the Cowboys' schedule, three of them will be against teams that have a top-10 rushing defense, including the No. 1 Ravens, No. 7 Giants and No. 10 Vikings.

Top-5 rookie rushing seasons

1. Eric Dickerson, Rams (1983), 1,808 yards
2. George Rodgers, Saints (1981), 1,674
3. Alfred Morris, Redskins (2012), 1,613
4. Ottis Anderson, Cardinals (1979), 1,605
5. Edgerrin James, Colts (1999), 1,553

 

[snackdaddy]

I'm not sure its fair to judge Goff on his training camp/preseason performance. He never really spent much time with the 1's. I'm not saying anyone's wrong to say he played poorly. I'm just asking how would he have looked if he were named the started from day one, practiced with the first team from the start and play with them in preseason games.

Now here he is, about to start with guys he hasn't spent much time with. We can't expect the chemistry to be good right away.

 

[jap]

I value "Mad Mike" Martz as a QB guru above everyone else and all others are a very distant second. He sees great value in Jared, even comparing him to Special K.

Eric "the Great" Dickerson remains as one of my all-time favorite RB's, maybe the greatest pure RB I ever saw. However, QB-ing is not his forte. I know he appreciates great QB play and talked about how playing with premier QB's in the Pro-Bowl made his job so much easier. However, I would be more interested to know what Mike thinks about the Chris Weinke and Mike Groh. (Mike was also a WR guru and helped developed our own Isaac Bruce.)

 

[Corbin]

I value "Mad Mike" Martz as a QB guru above everyone else and all others are a very distant second. He sees great value in Jared, even comparing him to Special K.

Eric "the Great" Dickerson remains as one of my all-time favorite RB's, maybe the greatest pure RB I ever saw. However, QB-ing is not his forte. I know he appreciates great QB play and talked about how playing with premier QB's in the Pro-Bowl made his job so much easier. However, I would be more interested to know what Mike thinks about the Chris Weinke and Mike Groh. (Mike was also a WR guru and helped developed our own Isaac Bruce.)

Haha okay if we can't get Mad Mike as a OC how about as a freaking QB coach? That would be awesome!

 

[PowayRamFan]

Dickerson has been saying a lot of things, hope he doesn't go all Rodney Harrison on us. He's not that good on the radio, bottom line.

 

[Austin]

Yeah, to echo what others are saying, I like Dickerson, but his analysis of other positions (those that are not RB) seems spotty, and in this case under-researched. Weinke does have experience working with guys, guys like Russell Wilson, and several other names of special note. I suppose the caveat to that is that Weinke wasn't necessarily a main force in helping those QBs transition to the NFL. He seems to be something of a mechanic, teaching players the right form and motion, but you can argue his school didn't necessarily make a big difference for the players he was in contact with. I certainly haven't heard him lauded or publicly endorsed by anyone (though maybe that's because I haven't been looking for it? Don't know).

Aside from that, Jared Goff was long considered a favorite to be picked at least number 2 by the Browns, and Wentz is only graded definitively above him in the books of retrospective analysts and now-that-we-know hacks. What's more, Jared hasn't played an NFL game, but all the things that made him a mouth-watering prospect (feet, accuracy, timing, size, arm) are still there! Isn't that great news? Somehow those things have survived his "D" preseason! Whether they all bloom into his game at once, or whether it takes time for them to come out, once he stops expending so much energy on processing the game and calls, only time will tell. But the guy has special talent, and it's beyond foolish to try and paint him as a finished product, a faulty choice, a mistake of any magnitude.

Maybe people are hedging there bets on Jared Goff, but the negative assumptions are staggeringly unwarranted at this point. I'll let you know when it's okay to consider him a bust, though

 

[jap]

Haha okay if we can't get Mad Mike as a OC how about as a freaking QB coach? That would be awesome!

I would absolutely love! to have Mad Mike come aboard the U.S.S. Horns as a QB/receiving consultant. This guy helped to mold Isaac Bruce, Trent Green, Kurt Warner, and Marc Bulger . . . and that's just Rams players only. There isn't a greater disciple of Air Coryell's downfield game than Martz. Both Chris Weinke and Mike Groh would benefit in grossly positive fashion by having such an offensive mind as an invaluable resource.

 

[Rams43]

I had high expectations for Weinke once his hire was announced.

His QB school resume sure sounded good to me.

But the bottom line is the bottom line. The results are in and they're not pretty, are they?

It's taken until game 10 (week 11) of the season for the kid to be judged to be ready for the field.

Despite playing behind one of the very lowest rated QB's in the league. Another less than stellar QB development factor that goes on Weinke's NFL resume.

Put it this way. If you were a decision maker on another NFL team needing a QB coach, would Weinke even be on your list, much less near the top?

I rest my case.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/e...liott-has-no-chance-at-rookie-rushing-record/

Eric Dickerson says Ezekiel Elliott has no chance at rookie rushing record
The Pro Football Hall of Famer says his record is 'safe'
by John Breech

For the past 33 years, Pro Football Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson has held one of the most hallowed rushing records in NFL history.

Back in 1983, Dickerson rushed for 1,808 yards during his first year in the NFL, which still stands as the highest rookie rushing total in league history. Over the past three decades, hundreds of players have attempted to break the record, but none have come close.

As a matter of fact, since Dickerson broke the record in 1983, only one rookie has even rushed for 1,600 yards in a season, and that was Alfred Morris in 2012 (1,613). Adrian Peterson (1,341), Barry Sanders (1,470) and Emmitt Smith (937) are all elite running backs who fell well short of breaking the rookie record.

After 33 years though, Dickerson's record might finally fall. Through nine games, Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott has 1,005 rushing yards, which puts him on pace for 1,787 yards. At this point, all Elliott would need is one huge game and he'd be on pace to break the record.

Dickerson doesn't expect that to happen, though. During an interview on SportsCenter this week, the former Rams running back said that there's no way Elliott will break his record.

"Zeke does a great job of picking and choosing his holes, he really does," Dickerson said, via USA Today. "And the offensive line, they stopped everybody at the line of scrimmage. But is he gonna break that record? No, he ain't gonna break that record. That record's safe."

Dickerson has been pretty confident about his record all year. Before the season started, Dickerson laughed when Elliott told him he was gunning for the record.

"He told me through his agent that he was going to break my record," Dickerson said at the time. "I just laughed and said, 'Good luck.' Many have said that; all have failed. I like the record because you get one shot at it and that's it, because you're a rookie one time. You don't get three or four shots at that record. 'Oh, let me do it again.' Nah."

To put Elliott's pace in perspective, Dickerson was at 1,223 yards through nine games of his rookie season in 1983 after the Rams made him the second-overall pick in the NFL Draft.

If Elliott is going to break the record, he's going to have to run through some solid defenses to do it. Of the seven remaining games on the Cowboys' schedule, three of them will be against teams that have a top-10 rushing defense, including the No. 1 Ravens, No. 7 Giants and No. 10 Vikings.

Top-5 rookie rushing seasons

1. Eric Dickerson, Rams (1983), 1,808 yards
2. George Rodgers, Saints (1981), 1,674
3. Alfred Morris, Redskins (2012), 1,613
4. Ottis Anderson, Cardinals (1979), 1,605
5. Edgerrin James, Colts (1999), 1,553

So i was right!!
he does have Zeke on the brain

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Put it this way. If you were a decision maker on another NFL team needing a QB coach, would Weinke even be on your list, much less near the top?

I rest my case.

Exactly - CASE Keenum
let's wait to judge Weinke until we see what he's managed to do with Goff, a player with actual talent

 

[FRO]

The good thing about sports is Goff will be able to prove Dickerson wrong. It's all in his control.

 

[Ramrasta]

I think Dickerson isn't wrong in anything he said. Goff's preseason performance was uninspiring though it was only preseason, Weinke hasn't done anything impressive that I can think of with this team, and Elliott isn't on pace to break his rushing record.

 

[Austin]

I don't really think these arguments of "Goff has taken this much time to be deemed ready" or "he couldn't even supplant the worst QB starter in the league, Case Keenum," are actually very strong. Considering the coach, and his loyalty to veterans coupled with his feeling that rookies like Aaron Donald aren't even prepared to start in the NFL until a few games in, it's become clear that such things aren't really a reflection on Goff much if at all. They make cute talking points, and they sound reasonable, but under scrutiny and knowledge of the factors involved, they become inconclusive if not downright irrelevant.

 

[Rams43]

I don't really think these arguments of "Goff has taken this much time to be deemed ready" or "he couldn't even supplant the worst QB starter in the league, Case Keenum," are actually very strong. Considering the coach, and his loyalty to veterans coupled with his feeling that rookies like Aaron Donald aren't even prepared to start in the NFL until a few games in, it's become clear that such things aren't really a reflection on Goff much if at all. They make cute talking points, and they sound reasonable, but under scrutiny and knowledge of the factors involved, they become inconclusive if not downright irrelevant.

Here's the way I break it down, Austin.

Production results from Gurley and Goff have been disappointing and nonexistent, respectively.

Sooooo...

Is it the players?

Or is it the coaches?

Pick one.

My money is saying that it's the coaching.

 

[Austin]

Here's the way I break it down, Austin.

Production results from Gurley and Goff have been disappointing and nonexistent, respectively.

Sooooo...

Is it the players?

Or is it the coaches?

Pick one.

My money is saying that it's the coaching.

I agree that production from Gurley has been poor, and likely represents issues with the scheme and (in)ability of the offense to take what the defense gives them.

When it comes to Goff, though, there hasn't been anything to judge him on. If he comes in and looks unprepared, unversed, uncoordinated, then it will be fair to critique Weinke's coaching. Currently, though, I think it's too easy to blame a QB coach when the the Head Coach is one who is known for being ultra-conservative with playing rookies and ultra-loyal when it comes to giving veterans a chance to hold on to the job.

But it's fair, I get where you're coming from, I just disagree that anything about the Goff situation can really be put at Weinke's door in anything more than a distantly speculative way, until Jared plays and settles in, and we can see where his development is really at. After all, I believe Jared and Sean Mannion are the two QBs Weinke's really had a chance to mold (harder to fix veterans). So we'll see.

 

[LACHAMP46]

I'll just say, it's tough to judge Weinke/Boras/Groh on Case's production....and Eric Dickerson & Keyshawn Johnson aint crazy....:sneak::homercrawl::notsure:

 

[Rams43]

I agree that production from Gurley has been poor, and likely represents issues with the scheme and (in)ability of the offense to take what the defense gives them.

When it comes to Goff, though, there hasn't been anything to judge him on. If he comes in and looks unprepared, unversed, uncoordinated, then it will be fair to critique Weinke's coaching. Currently, though, I think it's too easy to blame a QB coach when the the Head Coach is one who is known for being ultra-conservative with playing rookies and ultra-loyal when it comes to giving veterans a chance to hold on to the job.

But it's fair, I get where you're coming from, I just disagree that anything about the Goff situation can really be put at Weinke's door in anything more than a distantly speculative way, until Jared plays and settles in, and we can see where his development is really at. After all, I believe Jared and Sean Mannion are the two QBs Weinke's really had a chance to mold (harder to fix veterans). So we'll see.

Point taken, Austin.

Yeah, it does all start with Fisher.

So frustrating...