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Monitoring Rams' final position battles
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/11008/monitoring-rams-final-position-battles

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- Only the St. Louis Rams know exactly how many players they plan to keep at each position. Therein lies the difficulty in attempting to project a 53-man roster.

But that doesn't mean we can't take a quick spin around the roster and offer a look at some of the decisions the Rams might have to make when Saturday's 4 p.m. ET final cuts arrive.

For the players listed here, the opportunity to make a strong closing argument comes Thursday night against Miami in the preseason finale.

Quarterback: The question here is whether the Rams will keep two or three. Austin Davis is probably locked in as the second quarterback, at least until or if the Rams find a veteran option they prefer after the available signal-callers crystallize. Rookie Garrett Gilbert hasn't done much in preseason and would stick mostly because the Rams wouldn't want to be short in the event of an injury. But they could probably get Gilbert through to the practice squad with relative ease.

Running back: There are three locked in here, leaving two questions: will the Rams keep four or five? And if not, who wins between Chase Reynolds and Trey Watts? Reynolds is a core special teams player but Watts is working on that part of his game and is a better, more versatile contributor to the offense. Keep an eye on Watts against the Dolphins.

Tight end: The Rams will probably keep four here and it's no secret the battle likely comes down to blocking specialist Justice Cunningham vs. pass catcher Alex Bayer. This is truly a "pick your flavor" situation. Cunningham might have a slight edge because his blocking can also translate to special teams but a big performance from Bayer against Miami might make it tough to allow him to leave.

Offensive line: It's not unusual for the Rams to keep as many as 10 here, however, it doesn't look like there are that many worthy this year. The Rams have more positional versatility with guys who will make the team, which might mean they only keep eight or nine. There are probably seven spots accounted for at this point. The battle for the final spots will likely come down to picking one or two from a group that includes Brandon Washington, Travis Bond, Mike Person and Sean Hooey. They also must figure out what to do with Barrett Jones, who is out with a back injury and doesn't have a timetable for return.

Defensive end: This one is well documented. The Rams will keep nine, perhaps even 10 though nine seems more likely. It's Michael Sam vs. Ethan Westbrooks. It's hard to envision a scenario in which Westbrooks doesn't make the team, especially given his versatility. Sam has been more productive as a pass-rusher in preseason games but doesn't have the ability to move along the line. One thing to keep an eye on in Miami is whether current backups Eugene Sims and William Hayes play. Sims hasn't practiced this week and Hayes still hasn't played in a preseason game. If those injuries are a little more extensive, maybe it opens the door for both Sam and Westbrooks.

Linebacker: There are five in solid shape here but the Rams don't really have a sixth who has stood out. Phillip Steward has played a lot on special teams and that could be a sign he's well positioned, but don't be surprised if the Rams go searching for a sixth linebacker on the waiver wire. Aaron Hill, Lawrence Wilson and Etienne Sabino will get one more shot to prove they're worthy.

Cornerback: With starter Trumaine Johnson expected to miss four-to-six weeks with a sprained MCL, the Rams will likely have to keep an extra body here behind Janoris Jenkins, Lamarcus Joyner, Brandon McGee and E.J. Gaines. That leaves a fight amongst Marcus Roberson, Greg Reid and Darren Woodard for a potential sixth spot. Roberson is the best in coverage, Reid the best tackler and Woodard something of a happy medium. Keep an eye outside the hashes in the second half Thursday night.
 

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8 OL's sounds good....I like Reid & Roberson. Shame to lose either...What's up with Woodyard, how'd he let these rookies pass him up? The LB's are the most intriguing.....They seem to be the weakest group after the OL....Not in overall talent, just no standouts....Which is surprising, as I look around the league and see some UDFA LB's that look great but are on the bubble of making a team....I can see a wire pickup here...I haven't been impressed with Dunbar either...Much like Barrett Jones, that guy is just hanging on. If he is this bad without the sauce, I'd rather keep a young player....Steward & Wilson are so average...Haven't see Hill since that INT....Sabino is thinking too much & not playing...it's a shame he didn't get the chance to shine. Armstrong finally had a decent game, but Cleveland's offense is a mess....Can't take nothing from that. He still hasn't had a TO....or a TFL....If I knew he was this average, I really would've screamed for Anthony Barr, or CJ Mosely....seriously...
 

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8 OL's sounds good....I like Reid & Roberson. Shame to lose either...What's up with Woodyard, how'd he let these rookies pass him up? The LB's are the most intriguing.....They seem to be the weakest group after the OL....Not in overall talent, just no standouts....Which is surprising, as I look around the league and see some UDFA LB's that look great but are on the bubble of making a team....I can see a wire pickup here...I haven't been impressed with Dunbar either...Much like Barrett Jones, that guy is just hanging on. If he is this bad without the sauce, I'd rather keep a young player....Steward & Wilson are so average...Haven't see Hill since that INT....Sabino is thinking too much & not playing...it's a shame he didn't get the chance to shine. Armstrong finally had a decent game, but Cleveland's offense is a mess....Can't take nothing from that. He still hasn't had a TO....or a TFL....If I knew he was this average, I really would've screamed for Anthony Barr, or CJ Mosely....seriously...
Woodard hasn't let anyone pass him up yet. The only reason Reid and Roberson were getting reps was because Woodard AND McGee, as well as Jenkins and Johnson have missed so much time. But Woodard got back on the field last week, and I expect he will put himself right back in the mix for that 6th spot.

The 3rd LB (Dunbar) has yet to play a down at his WLB position in a preseason game. We have all seen firsthand that Armstrong is not ready to assume that role. So before pushing the panic button on the LB crew, lets get all THREE of the starters playing together. Even with that being said, its pretty well documented that they will only be in the Base 4-3 about 45% of the time. So I for one, am not worried about Dunbar or the LB as long as they stay healthy.

As for the Barr or Mosley choice, I wouldn't have traded Aaron Donald for either one of them. Especially, as mentioned, they just aren't on the field enough to justify picking a 3rd LB that high.
 

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All the "James Laurinitus needs to be replaced at MLB, no more Dunbar" talk seems to have died down. I should have been a sportswriter, seems like easy money. Talk up backups and scrubs during camp, quietly pretend like you didn't talk up back ups and scrubs later.
 

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My final 53

QB- Shaun Hill
Austin Davis

OL- Jake Long
Greg Robinson
Scott Wells
Rodger Saffold
Joe Barksdale
Tim Barnes
Davin Joseph
Brandon Washington
Mike Person

TE- Jared Cook
Cory Harkey
Lance Kendricks
Alex Bayer

WR- Kenny Britt
Brian Quick
Tavon Austin
Stedman Bailey
Austin Pettis

Chris Givens until Stedman gets back and then we''ll see.
Not Sure of Barrett Jones status so I put him on IR.

RB - Zac Stacy
Benny Cunningham
Tre Mason
Chase Reynolds
Trey Watts

DE - Chris Long
Robert Quinn
William Hayes
Eugene Sims
Michael Sam

DT - Michael Brockers
Kendall Langford
Aaron Donald
Alex Carrington
Ethan Westbrooks

LB - James Laurinaitis
Alec Ogletree
Jo-Lonn Dunbar
Ray Ray Armstrong
Daren Bates


CB - Janoris Jenkins
EJ Gaines
Lamarcus Joyner
Brandon McGee
Darren Woodard
Trumaine Johnson

S - TJ McDonald
Rodney McLoed
Maurice Alexander
Cody Davis

K - Greg Zuerlein
P - Johnny Hekker
LS - Jake McQuaide

IR - Sam Bradford
Isaiah Pead
Demetrius Rhaney
Barrett Jones

PS hopefuls - Garrett Gilbert
Christian Bryant
Greg Reid
Marcus Roberson
Mitchell Van Dyk
Travis Bond
Phillip Steward
Lawrence Wilson
Emory Blake
Austin Franklin
 

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Okay.. I can quibble with your 53 man roster but I will not, but I want to know who is on the 46 man roster against Minny based on this 53 projection.
 

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It's okay you can quibble, I don't expect everyone to agree. My 46 would be.

QB- Shaun Hill
Austin Davis

OL- Jake Long
Greg Robinson
Scott Wells
Rodger Saffold
Joe Barksdale
Tim Barnes
and either Person or Washington. Probably Person but I was impressed with Washington playing left tackle against the browns. If Joseph starts then Barnes and Robinson.

TE- Jared Cook
Cory Harkey
Lance Kendricks

WR- Kenny Britt
Brian Quick
Tavon Austin
Chris Givens
Austin Pettis
Until Bailey gets back.

RB - Zac Stacy
Benny Cunningham
Tre Mason
Chase Reynolds


DE - Chris Long
Robert Quinn
William Hayes
Eugene Sims

DT - Michael Brockers
Kendall Langford
Aaron Donald
Alex Carrington

LB - James Laurinaitis
Alec Ogletree
Jo-Lonn Dunbar
Ray Ray Armstrong
Daren Bates

CB - Janoris Jenkins
EJ Gaines
Lamarcus Joyner
Brandon McGee
Darren Woodard

S - TJ McDonald
Rodney McLoed
Maurice Alexander
Cody Davis


K - Greg Zuerlein
P - Johnny Hekker
LS - Jake McQuaide
 

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Itll be a real shame to lose Reid and/or Roberson because they both have looked good and bring something to the table in my humble opinion. I hope if they are cut they make it onto the PS.
 

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They are small quibbles... I would have Person and Joesph for a total of 8 OL and only 3 DT Brockers , Langford and Donald.

Also I think they trade one of the WR (Pettis or Givens) to make room for Bailey, as well as trading other potential PS players.

Every other selection I agree with.

Thanks
 

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Itll be a real shame to lose Reid and/or Roberson because they both have looked good and bring something to the table in my humble opinion. I hope if they are cut they make it onto the PS.
Yeah man, I have been surprised by Reid and think he will be right in the mix next year - PS will be a good home
 

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They are small quibbles... I would have Person and Joesph for a total of 8 OL and only 3 DT Brockers , Langford and Donald.

Also I think they trade one of the WR (Pettis or Givens) to make room for Bailey, as well as trading other potential PS players.

Every other selection I agree with.

Thanks
I don't want this to come across like I'm being a smartass, but why do you think they will be able to trade anyone, much less the guys WE don't want? Everyone likes to propose they makes all these trades, when the fact is, trades are very uncommon in the NFL. It's almost like people think it's the same as FF, and you can just unload players left and right.

Also, with the injury history to key members on the Oline, not sure keeping only 8 is the right way to go. and 3 DTs? with the injuries already being felt by both Langford and Brockers. Not going there either.
 

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No need to feel like a smart ass, yours are valid points. Totally understand the position you are taking. I just think that thyere are some teams with needs (CB, OL DE) that are on the short end of the stick in terms of waiver position (top 20 teams as of last year) that will have to trade a late round pick to improve their roster. Supply and demand. I just think we have some positional excesses that might be in demand.
 
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No need to feel like a smart ass, yours are valid points. Totally understand the position you are taking. I just think that thyere are some teams with needs (CB, OL DE) that are on the short end of the stick in terms of waiver position top 20 teams as of last year) that will have to a trade late round to improve their roster. Supply and demand. I just think we have some positional excesses that will be in demand.
I get all of that. But with all of the cuts, why would any team not just wait to see who is made available without having to give up anything in return? Our castoffs, aren't going to be all that better than others who end up on the waiver wire.

Kinda the same premise why its smart of Fisher and Snead not to rush into making any trades for a backup QB without seeing what shakes out after Saturday. I just think sometimes we tend to over value our players, even though we spend alot of time talking about how "bad" they are. LOL
 

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Kinda the same premise why its smart of Fisher and Snead not to rush into making any trades for a backup QB without seeing what shakes out after Saturday. I just think sometimes we tend to over value our players, even though we spend alot of time talking about how "bad" they are. LOL

Generally agree with your points. I just believe (based on my review of the coaches 22 tapes) we may have one or two cast offs that could generate a late (6th at best - hopefully 7th) round pick.

Back to another point you made earlier, how would you structure OL and DL? Do you have feelings/instinct/knowledge that Hayes is a no go week one and Jones can be back in less than 6 weeks (PUP)?

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Generally agree with your points. I just believe (based on my review of the coaches 22 tapes) we may have one or two cast offs that could generate a late (6th at best - hopefully 7th) round pick.

Back to another point you made earlier, how would you structure OL and DL? Do you have feelings/instinct/knowledge that Hayes is a no go week one and Jones can be back in less than 6 weeks (PUP)?

Thanks

Jones cannot go on the PUP list, that is for players who never participated in training camp. And he did. So he either makes the 53 or is placed on IR. I was led to believe his rehab time was around 8 weeks from the surgery, which he had on July 31st. So that puts it around Oct 1st. Given he will need additional time to get "game ready", I would think the soonest he would be able to contribute would be around the SF game on Oct 13th. If they think he will prove to be a solid depth guy, they keep him on the 53. The other option would be to give him the IR-designated for return, but I honestly don't see that happening for a backup o-linemen.

As far as Hayes is concerned, I can only go on the fact that not only has he not played in any of the preseason games, he still isn't practicing. At least not full participation. The hip is his biggest off season issue. So something tells me he just might not be a fill "go" by Sept 7th. If that is the case, I would expect they keep 10 DL. And reevaluate that when Hayes is back completely, or when Bailey returns from his suspension.

It also could be advantageous to keep that 10th DL through the first couple of weeks, before releasing him and getting him to the PS. By then, teams are less apt to have the need to poach our PS, than immediately after the Sat cuts.

AS to the Oline, my guess is they go with 9. Long, Saffold, Wells, Joseph, Barksdale, Robinson, Barnes, Person, are pretty solid as the first 8. Then it will come down to one of Bond, Hooey or Washington. My preference from what I saw throughout camp would be Bond, but its too close to call. ANd of course that all could change, depending on what they decide to do with Jones.
 

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Giants, Panters, Jags, Browns are some that need WR help.
does anybody else see the irony in this? people talking about OUR WRs as trade bait? After all the concern and complaints in the recent past about how they were the worst unit in the NFL..... Now they should be considered legitimate trade bait?