Mo Alexander Released

[LACHAMP46]

Some of you guys....football smarts....not the sharpest....

It says, think before you comment....and yet....

This was simple for me. Mo' Alexander wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

So, Johnson and Davis are what? Savants when it comes to safety???? I mean, what makes people think Mo was cut because he couldn't understand what a SS does???

Bottom line - Wade was asking Mo' to think too much and he didn't like it.

Same conclusion??? I just picked you two out....but really? Who's on the defense NOW, that is some upper level thinker???? Whom????

Oh, and one other thing - when Johnson made that INT, I thought, wow, he's slow. He's not actually slow, just a very long strider.

Yeah....ok....
Long strider eh?
When we say that...it's not because a guys stride while long is moving slowly...more, that because even tho they're moving fast, it takes them longer to reach top speed...think Carl Lewis vs Ben Johnson....
or
you might get me in the 60, but I'll snatch you in the 100/200....still fast....
Johnson RAN a 4.7

I'm sorry but Christian, Countess or Davis..none of them are better safeties than Mo....

That's what I believe as well....I think Christian or Countess could become as good or better...I think Davis understands routes better....he's played in the secondary longer...probably his entire career.

I feel it has something to do with football smarts.

I'm curious...have any of you ever spoken with a football player? Like, sat down with and really interacted with a actual player? Very wide range of personas....some are quite engaging....some are.....regular people too....this narrative in this site...that some are so....intellectual....is just.....CRAZY....Most play FOOTBALL for a reason....and if you've ever played it long enough...the injuries....and pain is....a little much for the average person....A lot of chemical engineers just don't find the joy in the game after a while...and others....hell, they'd play for free...

If you know me...and you should by now....I get a lil peeved with the stupid jock narrative....the idea that one player is so much smarter than another....that one player gets it more than others...like, do some of you really believe Peyton Manning is a genius? Or is he just pretty sharp for a QB? Same with Brady....or Brees...or Rivers....or anyone that played QB?
Me, the only genius QB, was Pat Haden....looks like Steve Young is pretty sharp too....but, that's IT. Oh, Andrew Luck seems sharp....
They understand the game.....

There was a DL named Carl Eller....was pretty sharp....think he was a judge....Merlin Olsen.....seemed sharp...
but only a few would anyone think they're any "sharper" than the average player....and those guys are few and far between...

Playing the game long enough will give you football smarts.....Mo wasn't a natural FS/SS....he's probably NEVER played in the secondary....he looks like he's always played DE....and if that's your background, the secondary does appear like a second language....the responsibilities....the tackling angles...tracking the ball....that's a whole nuther set of angles....it takes a while to figure a bunch of it out....or...it takes constant reps...live...Mo sat for 2 years....when he did play...it was infrequent....when he started, he played 20+ yards away from the LOS....Very unusual....So his initial instincts are skewed....he was quickly moved to SS...which is really like a LB....and he didn't understand the difference...more physical...different pursuit angles....more responsibility....and couldn't handle it....not mentally...but physically....probably WAS complaining....hell, he was always banged up.

I never blame the mental aspects of the game as a reason for a player to fail....unless it's the QB...which IS a pretty mental position...repetition can usually smooth out all mistakes...players adjust to new schemes....great players do this quickly...Mo wasn't a great player...& he wasn't a natural safety.

 

[So Ram]

Btw welcome to starting line up Johnson, you deserve it man!

I think Cody Davies played real well Sunday. He was a lot more aggressive.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Maurice Alexander still unsigned as far as I can tell.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Maurice Alexander still unsigned as far as I can tell.

Early... but the ultimate signal whether they made the right decision or not... especially if Williams doesn't try him out in CLE.

 

[Psycho_X]

Maurice Alexander still unsigned as far as I can tell.

Anyone who wants him probably wants to give vet minimum contract or at least a couple of years on a contract and didn't want to pick him off waivers for a 12 game contract that was worth a couple hundred thousand more.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Anyone who wants him probably wants to give vet minimum contract or at least a couple of years on a contract and didn't want to pick him off waivers for a 12 game contract that was worth a couple hundred thousand more.

Definitely. So that gives us an idea of his worth around the league at the moment.
Of course a team in need of a former starting safety only has to pay for the 12 games that he is due.

Plus he is still on his first contract as a 4th rounder so we're not talking about a lot of money here.

 

[OldSchool]

Some of you guys....football smarts....not the sharpest....

It says, think before you comment....and yet....
So, Johnson and Davis are what? Savants when it comes to safety???? I mean, what makes people think Mo was cut because he couldn't understand what a SS does???


Same conclusion??? I just picked you two out....but really? Who's on the defense NOW, that is some upper level thinker???? Whom????


Yeah....ok....
Long strider eh?
When we say that...it's not because a guys stride while long is moving slowly...more, that because even tho they're moving fast, it takes them longer to reach top speed...think Carl Lewis vs Ben Johnson....
or
you might get me in the 60, but I'll snatch you in the 100/200....still fast....
Johnson RAN a 4.7

That's what I believe as well....I think Christian or Countess could become as good or better...I think Davis understands routes better....he's played in the secondary longer...probably his entire career.

I'm curious...have any of you ever spoken with a football player? Like, sat down with and really interacted with a actual player? Very wide range of personas....some are quite engaging....some are.....regular people too....this narrative in this site...that some are so....intellectual....is just.....CRAZY....Most play FOOTBALL for a reason....and if you've ever played it long enough...the injuries....and pain is....a little much for the average person....A lot of chemical engineers just don't find the joy in the game after a while...and others....hell, they'd play for free...

If you know me...and you should by now....I get a lil peeved with the stupid jock narrative....the idea that one player is so much smarter than another....that one player gets it more than others...like, do some of you really believe Peyton Manning is a genius? Or is he just pretty sharp for a QB? Same with Brady....or Brees...or Rivers....or anyone that played QB?
Me, the only genius QB, was Pat Haden....looks like Steve Young is pretty sharp too....but, that's IT. Oh, Andrew Luck seems sharp....
They understand the game.....

There was a DL named Carl Eller....was pretty sharp....think he was a judge....Merlin Olsen.....seemed sharp...
but only a few would anyone think they're any "sharper" than the average player....and those guys are few and far between...

Playing the game long enough will give you football smarts.....Mo wasn't a natural FS/SS....he's probably NEVER played in the secondary....he looks like he's always played DE....and if that's your background, the secondary does appear like a second language....the responsibilities....the tackling angles...tracking the ball....that's a whole nuther set of angles....it takes a while to figure a bunch of it out....or...it takes constant reps...live...Mo sat for 2 years....when he did play...it was infrequent....when he started, he played 20+ yards away from the LOS....Very unusual....So his initial instincts are skewed....he was quickly moved to SS...which is really like a LB....and he didn't understand the difference...more physical...different pursuit angles....more responsibility....and couldn't handle it....not mentally...but physically....probably WAS complaining....hell, he was always banged up.

I never blame the mental aspects of the game as a reason for a player to fail....unless it's the QB...which IS a pretty mental position...repetition can usually smooth out all mistakes...players adjust to new schemes....great players do this quickly...Mo wasn't a great player...& he wasn't a natural safety.

 

[BonifayRam]

Glad to see this chapter on Mo Alexander come to an end. Not happy about what Mo has done this season. The best I saw from Mo was the later half of 2015 when he replaced Strong Safety TJ McDonald was placed on IR. Last season everybody was singing Mo Alexander's praises while playing the high safety safety post.

I was so so on his play but PFF went crazy on him. @LACHAMP46 continued to remind me that Mo did not have it & would be a poor replacement for TJ....I was a bit more positive that a SS post would be his best post. LACHAMP46 was 100% correct. I am so happy about this major change in this defense. I have one more change @ LB'er I want to see too.

MO was bad in Pre season & bad till he was benched. I have no real clear ideal what happen to this promising safety but who really cares now he gone. Good! JJ III who's talent & skills are much closer to a high safety or Nickle Back is now our SS for the moment. I have liked what I have seen from the very beginning from the young 21 yr old kid. Wade SS post assignments & duties are not much different from the High safety posts duties.Close enough that before it all over we will see LJ listed as the Strong Safety for Wade.

Before someone says that LJ is too small to play the SS post I would ask who started @ the SSLB post last season?......LJ did.

 

[Karate61]

The Rams, WITHOUT Alexander, held the Seahags to 241 total yards. Would Alexander have improved that performance? I don't think so, so see yah Alexander and big welcome for JJ!

 

[pmil66]

1. Mo struggled in the new D, and a draft pick in Johnson is taking over, after showing very well in his first start. This past draft is turning out very well, starters in Kupp and now Johnson, Smart emerging to allow Brockers to move to DE, Everett contributing, Reynolds & Ebukam showing flashes in limited action.

 

[DR RAM]

Johnson played better in one game, than Mo did all year. Cody balled too.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Never really liked the pick, it's obvious to me Johnson is a considerable upgrade

As for the other alleged theatrics, Who cares?

GRob - gone
Mo- gone

Which underachieving vet is next?

Ya gotta like it!

 

[Prime Time]

It says, think before you comment...

Actually it says "Think Before You Post..."

 

[1maGoh]

Some of you guys....football smarts....not the sharpest....

It says, think before you comment....and yet....
So, Johnson and Davis are what? Savants when it comes to safety???? I mean, what makes people think Mo was cut because he couldn't understand what a SS does???


Same conclusion??? I just picked you two out....but really? Who's on the defense NOW, that is some upper level thinker???? Whom????


Yeah....ok....
Long strider eh?
When we say that...it's not because a guys stride while long is moving slowly...more, that because even tho they're moving fast, it takes them longer to reach top speed...think Carl Lewis vs Ben Johnson....
or
you might get me in the 60, but I'll snatch you in the 100/200....still fast....
Johnson RAN a 4.7

That's what I believe as well....I think Christian or Countess could become as good or better...I think Davis understands routes better....he's played in the secondary longer...probably his entire career.

I'm curious...have any of you ever spoken with a football player? Like, sat down with and really interacted with a actual player? Very wide range of personas....some are quite engaging....some are.....regular people too....this narrative in this site...that some are so....intellectual....is just.....CRAZY....Most play FOOTBALL for a reason....and if you've ever played it long enough...the injuries....and pain is....a little much for the average person....A lot of chemical engineers just don't find the joy in the game after a while...and others....hell, they'd play for free...

If you know me...and you should by now....I get a lil peeved with the stupid jock narrative....the idea that one player is so much smarter than another....that one player gets it more than others...like, do some of you really believe Peyton Manning is a genius? Or is he just pretty sharp for a QB? Same with Brady....or Brees...or Rivers....or anyone that played QB?
Me, the only genius QB, was Pat Haden....looks like Steve Young is pretty sharp too....but, that's IT. Oh, Andrew Luck seems sharp....
They understand the game.....

There was a DL named Carl Eller....was pretty sharp....think he was a judge....Merlin Olsen.....seemed sharp...
but only a few would anyone think they're any "sharper" than the average player....and those guys are few and far between...

Playing the game long enough will give you football smarts.....Mo wasn't a natural FS/SS....he's probably NEVER played in the secondary....he looks like he's always played DE....and if that's your background, the secondary does appear like a second language....the responsibilities....the tackling angles...tracking the ball....that's a whole nuther set of angles....it takes a while to figure a bunch of it out....or...it takes constant reps...live...Mo sat for 2 years....when he did play...it was infrequent....when he started, he played 20+ yards away from the LOS....Very unusual....So his initial instincts are skewed....he was quickly moved to SS...which is really like a LB....and he didn't understand the difference...more physical...different pursuit angles....more responsibility....and couldn't handle it....not mentally...but physically....probably WAS complaining....hell, he was always banged up.

I never blame the mental aspects of the game as a reason for a player to fail....unless it's the QB...which IS a pretty mental position...repetition can usually smooth out all mistakes...players adjust to new schemes....great players do this quickly...Mo wasn't a great player...& he wasn't a natural safety.

So, I try not to quote you too much, because I disagree so often and I don't want to seem like a douche...

But you said he probably didn't understand, then have examples of things he probably didn't understand, then said it was physical. Not understanding is mental.

It almost appears as if you don't believe there is a mental side of the game. Not to put words in your mouth... keyboard... monitor, or whatever. I would argue that at the professional level, the base athleticism is so off the charts of normal humans already that the major difference would be the mental aspect. But that's a guess based off the handful of Div1 college athletes that I know that couldn't make it.

 

[Rmfnlt]

1. Mo struggled in the new D, and a draft pick in Johnson is taking over, after showing very well in his first start. This past draft is turning out very well, starters in Kupp and now Johnson, Smart emerging to allow Brockers to move to DE, Everett contributing, Reynolds & Ebukam showing flashes in limited action.

Johnson did play a very solid first game. But, it was his first start so I'm gonna take more of a wait-and-see on him for now.

Kupp is proving to be a real nice find.

As usual, new coaching staff comes in, evaluates the existing players and decides what to keep and what not to keep. Alexander is a casualty of that process... Phillips took the time to evaluate and Alexander wasn't a fit in his system.

I think Phillips is going to be doing this all season long... moving the pieces around, evaluating... and finally arriving at a defense that he feels comfortable can execute on a consistent basis.

Second half in DAL... last week... looks to me like his plan is starting to take shape. But every week will tell me more. And I am prepared for potential regression as he figures it all out.

 

[bubbaramfan]

I kept an eye on Mo since day one of TC. He was kept out with an abdominal issue, and then a shoulder issue. He got back on the field, but with his shoulder heavily wrapped. That shoulder has been bothering him and it hasn't seemed to get better through four games.

Though they haven't said it out-right, I think Mo's lingering injuries contributed to his being released.

 

[Zaphod]

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/10/9/16451452/los-angeles-rams-seattle-seahawks-recap-sean-mcvay-transcript-tavon-austin-sammy-watkins

(On if he can envision S Lamarcus Joyner and S John Johnson III being in some packages together)

“I think there could definitely be some packages. As we get the game plan together and looking forward to the week as our defensive staff gets more familiar with Jacksonville’s offense, I think you’ll see a variety of packages that we put together, game-plan specific to get our guys on the field. But, I think when you look at what John did yesterday, definitely a lot of encouraging things and you see why he’s projected to be a really good player for us.”

(On if Johnson III can only play free safety)

“The way that our coaches do it is they train those guys to play both free (safety) and underneath and we’ve got some different calls and things like that, that dictate whatever it is, whether it’s a two-safety or single-safety defense – who is an underneath defender, who is a middle safety and John did a nice job specifically as a post player yesterday. But, you look at the interception he made, he’s an underneath flat player. So, I think with those safeties, they’re interchangeable in terms of being able to play deep and then underneath in some of those run support structures.”

An excellent point, and I do remember Greg Williams saying the same, the difference being that Wade Phillips prefers "coverage" guys out there.

 

[LACHAMP46]

But you said he probably didn't understand, then have examples of things he probably didn't understand, then said it was physical. Not understanding is mental.

you can reply to my comments all you like...I don't take it personal....in fact, it gives me a better understanding of people...in this forum...

I don't think learning the correct angles is an understanding issue....I think we all understand you have to choose an angle...a direction to run to intersect a play...the ball...sorta like playing the outfield...you know you have to run in a certain direction to catch a ball...figuring out the correct angle takes practice....film study...learning yourself and the opponent....experience. I suppose you must put some thoughts into this analysis....I don't believe it's really mental at all, more reactive...split second stuff...no thought..no time for active thought..more action...but, if you believe that is some mental task....ok...seems more physical to me.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Maurice Alexander. Apparently still unsigned.

 

[Soul Surfer]

the difference being that Wade Phillips prefers "coverage" guys out there.

Defensive backs that can cover?

I thought if you just hit the receivers hard enough you'll scare them into not catching the ball again.

( that seemed to be the Greg Williams philosophy anyway )