Mel Kiper on Marcus Mariota’s Draft Stock

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Mel Kiper Jr. expects Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota to be a top-10 pick in the NFL draft if he declares. Kiper thinks Mariota needs to go to a team where he doesn't have to play right away.

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Did National Title Game Sour Mariota’s Draft Stock?

From PFT Live: It’s not fair, but sometimes it’s the most recent game that’s the lasting image on most minds. Mike Florio wonders if that’ll be the case for NFL scouts after Marcus Mariota’s national title game performance.

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ehhhhh. I dunno. I still think jrry's Alex Smith with much more athleticism is a better example. Mariota doesn't have close to Bradford's arm talent.

I think the comparison was talking more about what each guy was surrounded with and what their challenges will be entering the NFL. They had similar offensive production in a spread type offense with a good Oline, time to throw and lots of weapons.
 

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Examining the Rams and Marcus Mariota
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/15468/examining-the-rams-and-marcus-mariota

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota surprised no one Wednesday when he officially declared himself eligible for the 2015 NFL draft.

What does that have to do with the Rams, exactly? The answer is probably not much. Yes, the Rams need a quarterback and Mariota is considered by many to be the top prospect in this year's draft (or no worse than second best).

With the 10th overall pick in this year's draft, the Rams aren't exactly sitting in position to land Mariota. No, if the Rams truly loved Mariota -- and they do like him, though the extent of that is unclear -- they would have to make a bold move up in the draft to land him. Perhaps even the full nine spots to the No. 1 pick.

2015 NFL DRAFT

NFL DraftRound 1: April 30, time TBA
Rds. 2-3: May 1, TBA
Rds. 4-7: May 2, TBA
Where: Auditorium Theatre of Roosevelt University, Chicago
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Declaration deadline: Jan. 15
2015 Senior Bowl: Jan. 24
2015 Scouting Combine: Feb. 17-23


The cost of such a move would probably be off the charts, considering how far they'd have to go, how few top quarterback prospects are in this class and how many teams are starving for help at the position. For the sake of the discussion, though, let's look at Mariota and how he might fit in St. Louis.

Since the Rams have yet to hire an offensive coordinator, it's hard to say how Mariota would fit in their offense. But most signs point to coach Jeff Fisher wanting to stick with an offensive approach similar to what he's overseen for the past three years (and throughout his career). Fisher's best teams, however, did have a quarterback (Steve McNair) capable of being a multi-purpose threat.

Clearly, Mariota isn't the same player as McNair, but the point is Fisher has coached and had success with a quarterback who can make things happen with his legs as well as his arm. Still, if the Rams do have an interest in Mariota and are at least entertaining the thought of making a move to get him, it would behoove them to factor that heavily into any discussion of their next offensive coordinator.

As for Mariota himself, ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay ranks him as the top quarterback in the class and the No. 2 overall prospect. Mariota won the Heisman Trophy after leading the FBS in QBR (90.8) and finished his career as the most efficient player in FBS history in terms of offensive production. Mariota-led offenses averaged 8.67 yards per play, the most of any player ever to post 9,000 or more yards of total offense. For what it's worth, Mariota put up 13,033 yards of total offense in his college career.

Despite all that production, history doesn't favor Mariota and not just because of the system he comes from though that's an important part of his evaluation as well. The previous four Oregon quarterbacks (George Shaw, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith and Chris Miller) selected in the first round have a combined record 64 games under .500.

Early entrant quarterbacks have also struggled in adjusting to the NFL. According to ESPN Stats & Information, of the 13 early-entrant quarterbacks to come into the league since 2006, only three have managed winning records as a starter. Also, of the five current Heisman winning quarterbacks currently in the league, none has a winning record as a starter and only Carolina's Cam Newton has a playoff victory.

Of course, none of that guarantees anything in terms of what Mariota can do at the next level.

And of all teams, the Rams know better than any that an Oregon quarterback can be a great asset. The last one they drafted was a young man named Norm Van Brocklin in the fourth round of the 1949 NFL draft. Van Brocklin went on to six Pro Bowl appearances as a Ram and teamed with Bob Waterfield to lead the Rams to the 1951 NFL championship.

Fisher and general manager Les Snead have indicated they might be open to making a move up in this year's class and it would stand to reason that if they did, a quarterback would be the prize. Whether they like Mariota or any other prospect enough to make such a move remains to be seen.
 

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I think the comparison was talking more about what each guy was surrounded with and what their challenges will be entering the NFL. They had similar offensive production in a spread type offense with a good Oline, time to throw and lots of weapons.

I read a fan's analysis on QBs drafted since like the year 2000, and if a pro-style QB in college was a better bet to draft over a spread QB. After looking at all the tables, essentially, there is no correlation to what offense they ran in college. It was basically a case by case basis.
 

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No real feelings other than, looks like system QB....Looks frail...Looks very fast....reminds me of RGIII
 

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RGIII is a very good comp.

I hope he knows how to slide and get out of bounds like Wilson does or the kid will end up exactly like RG3 injured and a shell of his former self in just a couple of years.
 

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I read a fan's analysis on QBs drafted since like the year 2000, and if a pro-style QB in college was a better bet to draft over a spread QB. After looking at all the tables, essentially, there is no correlation to what offense they ran in college. It was basically a case by case basis.

If you got it, then you got it. If you don't, then you don't. I would contest that if more teams ran pro style offenses these questions of whether or not a player can make the transition would be less speculative. Its just like the QB position as a whole. If you started playing QB in 9th grade, it is better than if you started playing in college. The position is the hardest to learn. So if you are playing a pro style in college the learning curve is not as steep.

However you are right. Ability is ability. And I am not just talking about physical ability. The head has to be here too.
 

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If Mariota's declaring has any impact on the Rams, it'll be in pushing other QBs down the list, thus making the odds of drafting someone good in the 2nd round better.
 

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I read a fan's analysis on QBs drafted since like the year 2000, and if a pro-style QB in college was a better bet to draft over a spread QB. After looking at all the tables, essentially, there is no correlation to what offense they ran in college. It was basically a case by case basis.

I've done the same sort of analysis. Came out to be a push between the two. Like Elm said, if you got it you got it. Problem is that the spread offense makes it much harder to tell if you do have it. I have been pretty accurate with pro style passers(as accurate as you can be when evaluating players)...but spread QBs are really tough for me to predict accurately.