Lawrence Phillips letters from prison

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Most of us don't drag women down the stairs by their hair, choke them unconscious or try and kill a group of teenagers by running over them with our car.

It's not luck.
I don't disagree with you. But what kind of upbringing did he have? I know my parents have raised me well. That's 90% of being a good person. I believe you're only as good as the example your parents set for you. If all you see if bad things when your young, what else do you know?
 

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try and kill a group of teenagers by running over them with our car.
I will not condone anything he was convicted of...esp. the way he was going crazy with those women....but I seriously doubt he was trying to hurt those kids...More just acting like a big kid himself. I'm not sure, but I don't think one was really hurt...And I could be wrong, but I remember thinking he must of paralyzed one or something...but no one was really hurt.
This is all signs of very poor impulse control...probably some type of mental illness...developed as a child. You could raise any of us in here like this, and we'd have similar faults...not excusing his actions...bunch of guys have written before, as an adult, he should know right from wrong, everybody does...but what if he doesn't/didn't?

I know my parents have raised me well. That's 90% of being a good person. I believe you're only as good as the example your parents set for you. If all you see if bad things when your young, what else do you know?
exactly my point @Legatron4
what if you learn as a kid to steal, be evil, handle your problems with violence, and to lie?
This all from the people you trust? Who's to blame if you become a monster?
 

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I still believe that no matter how you're raised, at some point you learn the differences between right and wrong. At some point you still make certain choices. I personally don't think the justice system is hard enough for younger people. I think if younger people less than 30 and are going to prison for the first time are meant to see how the hard time is done, maybe some would change. Have these guys see how men are serving life sentences or decades in super max. Not live with them the whole time but at least see what lies ahead if they don't change their lives. I just watched a six part series on Netflix about Georgia's prison system. But at the end of the day I don't know what the best thing is. I do think getting the younger people some exposure might turn some of them. Georgie has a boot camp program but who knows if that would work.
 

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exactly my point @Legatron4
what if you learn as a kid to steal, be evil, handle your problems with violence, and to lie?
This all from the people you trust? Who's to blame if you become a monster?

At some point you have to be accountable for your own actions, regardless of how bad you were taught growing up.
 

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At some point you have to be accountable for your own actions, regardless of how bad you were taught growing up.
Of course...and he is being held accountable...But going forward, when do we try to prevent creating monsters, when does the status quo change? Or is the incarceration rate acceptable in your eyes?
 

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@LACHAMP46 posted these a couple nights ago.
They made me feel for the guy a little. Just a little.
He's still responsible for his actions and poor decisions. As an adult, you know good from bad.
At some point certainty, but Phillips was a man-child when drafted. One from a not so great upbringing.
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Phillips is doing the hardest time imaginable now. Regret and resignation to his fate.
He is in an animal house cage and feeling the reality at long last. That's an awfully tough time - and while he deserved it for his actions, I can't help but feel sorry for someone who had the world by the ass at one point and could not figure it out before hurting others and destroying his own life in the process.

By the sound of those letters, he is finally feeling the weight of his piss poor choices as a younger man. I'm in my 40's now and I see things and understand them at such a deeper level than I did at 20-22 years old. For anyone older, you know that feeling all too well - perspective, maturity and real self-awareness; which only starts to settle in after life begins to take things away from you like parents, physical stamina, overall health (dammit things just start to hurt for no damn reason!!!), kids moving out, etc. All of this for free men starts to add up fast, I can't imagine dealing with it in a cage at the same time.

He'll never spend another "free" day in his life, and while he did it to himself, I can't feel anything but sadness for it. Such a waste.
 

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I don't disagree with you. But what kind of upbringing did he have? I know my parents have raised me well. That's 90% of being a good person. I believe you're only as good as the example your parents set for you. If all you see if bad things when your young, what else do you know?

How old do you have to be before you realize you're inflicting pain and fear on someone by beating on them? At that point, responsibility is 100% your own.

Can't feel sadness for someone who threatened to shoot his college girlfriend in the kneecaps and elbows if she left him. The guy victimized other people because he couldn't deal with his anger. It's just pure dumb luck that he didn't kill someone before they finally locked him up.
 

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How old do you have to be before you realize you're inflicting pain and fear on someone by beating on them? At that point, responsibility is 100% your own.

Can't feel sadness for someone who threatened to shoot his college girlfriend in the kneecaps and elbows if she left him. The guy victimized other people because he couldn't deal with his anger. It's just pure dumb luck that he didn't kill someone before they finally locked him up.
So you don't believe in the point of no return? I'll give you an example. A kid I graduated with just got arrested and charged with 20 years in prison for child porn. Can you honestly tell me that he had a good upbringing? I have no doubt his parents or relatives sexually abused him. He's technically a grown ass man and still did it. What's the reasoning for it? Obviously he's pretty messed up in the head and might even have a disorder of some kind. But his childhood had to have some kind of influence on him.
 

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We need to swap stories sometime. Here in Maryland it's very basic in what they have. Everything's pretty cheap. They have a basketball court but no weights. The computers look like something out of the 80's. The air-conditioning goes off and on in the summer. Mostly they sit around and play cards when they're not working.

As far as Lawrence Phillips goes, from the letters he writes he sounds like what they call "institutionalized." The inmates call it a "three hots and a cot" mentality. Crime and prison is all he knows, along with the violence that goes along with that. Chances are he was also raised in that mentality in the foster homes he grew up in.

Our prison is one of the newer ones. It opened in 1995. It originally housed women but converted to a men's prison about 3 years ago. Most the equipment like air conditioning is in pretty good shape. Our prison isn't the typical 2 to a room cells. They're designed for 4 double bunks per room, 8 beds. Each room has its own private shower. Almost like a dorm setting.

We're what they call a sensitive needs prison. Everyone here came from protective custody. Gang dropouts, informants, molesters. But don't let the gang dropout thing fool you. Most of these guys pissed off their own gang and became a target. They still have the gang mentality. Some prisons have a yard designated for those inmates but that segment of the population is growing rapidly. So they converted our whole prison to SNY.

As far as the amenities, they don't have weights any more, but they still work out with what they have. They take a garbage bag and put water in it for arm curls and other things. Don't ask me why, but they now have punching bags for the gym. They were donated but I had to buy the mounting brackets.

The male inmates are much more active than the females were during their free time. I used to work inside the prison and the women always laid out on the grass using their jackets like a picnic blankets. I walk on the yard now and just about every inmate is exercising doing push ups, pull ups on the bars built for them or playing basketball. I don't work inside the secured perimeter any more. I'm in the admin building and warehouse. But I go in a couple times a week.

There's a lot of differences between the men and women aside from the obvious ones. Men are much more quiet and don't complain about working as much as the women do. Women complain about their work environment all the time, like they're put into slavery or something. Men just do the work. But they're more involved in things like sneaking contraband in.

The inmates that work in my area are lower level offenders who qualify for a gate pass to work outside the gate. The old term for those guys was Trustees. Those are the ones that can sneak in contraband when they go back in at the end of the day. We've found cell phones, tobacco, even drugs in the supplies orders that we deliver to all areas of the prison. I couldn't imagine how much got through. Its always been problem, even with the women. Men work much better than women but they're also more creative when it comes to the extra curricular activities.
 

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...-of-cellmate/ar-BBmcblS?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=edgsp

Phillips will be prosecuted for death of cellmate


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Lawrence Phillips, the former star running back, will be prosecuted for the death of his cellmate, a legal secretary with the Kern County (Calif.) District Attorney's office told USA TODAY Sports Friday.

Criminal charges against Phillips in the death of Damion Soward — found dead in April inside the cell he shared with Phillips in Kern Valley State Prison, will be filed with the court next week, said Pam Marshall — legal secretary with the district attorney's office. Marshall said she will be filing the criminal complaint and related paperwork.

Phillips, 40, who starred for the University of Nebraska in the 1990s before playing in the NFL, has not been available for comment. He is serving 31 years for driving his car into three teenagers and assaulting an ex-girlfriend.

Prison officials identified Phillips as the suspected killer when Soward's body was found, triggering an investigation into the death. Marshall said the investigation is complete.

Andrea Bridges, who will be prosecuting the case, could not immediately be reached for comment.

In June, USA TODAY Sports published a series of letters he wrote to former coaches and a mentor that referred to run-ins he had with inmates with gang ties. Soward was a former gang member serving 82 years to life for first-degree murder.
 

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Phillips kinda reminds me of Mike Tyson. When Tyson was with Cus D'amato, he was a disciplined kid with respect and control. Once Cus died and he ended up with shady characters, he became a completely different person. Maybe Phillips just never had much direction once he left the house. Plus, he was probably already a sociopath of sorts. Just nobody there to guide him through manhood, maybe.

Just sad, really.
 

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That was an fascinating read.

I kind of view it the opposite way. Not sure why so many Ram fans seem to want to focus on this guy. I have always found it curious when people have posted articles about each time he does another horrific thing
 

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I kind of view it the opposite way. Not sure why so many Ram fans seem to want to focus on this guy. I have always found it curious when people have posted articles about each time he does another horrific thing
Because ex-Ram.
 

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Yeah but a cruddy x-Ram hardly worth remembering. Terrible player and worse person. Lets move on from that bad memory
I'm not really adversely affected by his memory.
It's a curious situation that I find interesting is all.
 

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Phillips is doing the hardest time imaginable now. Regret and resignation to his fate.
He is in an animal house cage and feeling the reality at long last. That's an awfully tough time - and while he deserved it for his actions, I can't help but feel sorry for someone who had the world by the ass at one point and could not figure it out before hurting others and destroying his own life in the process.

By the sound of those letters, he is finally feeling the weight of his pee pee poor choices as a younger man. I'm in my 40's now and I see things and understand them at such a deeper level than I did at 20-22 years old. For anyone older, you know that feeling all too well - perspective, maturity and real self-awareness; which only starts to settle in after life begins to take things away from you like parents, physical stamina, overall health (dammit things just start to hurt for no damn reason!!!), kids moving out, etc. All of this for free men starts to add up fast, I can't imagine dealing with it in a cage at the same time.

He'll never spend another "free" day in his life, and while he did it to himself, I can't feel anything but sadness for it. Such a waste.

very well said
 

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That is very nice of some of his old coaches writing him.
 

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My best friends went to High School (Baldwin Park) with him and say the guy had it made. I wish I had some more detailed stories, but I was transferred out of the school my first week there. (Long story) But I DID have a class with him. My friends tell me he was pretty much treated like royalty. Was a man among boys in HS. Had people doing his work for him and was even rumored to be banging a teacher.

The school and city at the time had it's share of gang activity and trouble, but NOTHING like something you'd see in the inner cities here in SoCal. My friends say you could see the dude had a sense of entitlement and it wasn't hard to believe he crashed and burned like he did. Sad. But it happens every day.