The Raiders have applied for permission to relocate to Las Vegas

[dieterbrock]

sports gambling isnt what it use to be, its all around the country now. Thats the main reason why this has become a possibility. Sure it's at its biggest in Vegas but theres still sports gambling in the same city/state as other teams so dont see how itll be different in Vegas

Well that's not true. Its only legal in 4 states and the Las Vegas book is by far the biggest.
I know that the sports betting angle had been a big hurdle, just wasn't sure if they rectified it.

 

[Legatron4]

Is there really a viable fan base in Vegas?

 

[Picked4td]

Well that's not true. Its only legal in 4 states and the Las Vegas book is by far the biggest.
I know that the sports betting angle had been a big hurdle, just wasn't sure if they rectified it.

only 4 states can operate a sports gambling business, but online sports gambling is legal in most if not all states. again, vegas probably has more business than most online sportsbooks, but people gamble on sports all across the country

 

[dieterbrock]

only 4 states can operate a sports gambling business, but online sports gambling is legal in most if not all states. again, vegas probably has more business than most online sportsbooks, but people gamble on sports all across the country

The Las Vegas sports book is the biggest in North America, possibly worldwide. Online betting does not in any way replace that. People travel to Vegas for the Superbowl just to bet on the games.
It had been a major contention point that gambling on home games would not be allowed and that would have large effect.
I am wondering if that had been resolved

 

[drasconis]

Is there really a viable fan base in Vegas?

I believe the belief is that the tourist business will feed it mostly. The local community is large but heavily transplanted, the name recognition will help (as will success hopefully) form local fans. The thing is it is an easy trip for almost anyone to either see the Raiders or whomever they are playing. Vegas is an easy sell to groups to go to for a weekend. Someone earlier mentioned the failure of minor league sports, but this is the NFL - you offer high rollers suite tickets for minor league sports it is almost insulting, but NFL suite tickets are tempting....for lesser members normal seats are easy package deals.

 

[drasconis]

The Las Vegas sports book is the biggest in North America, possibly worldwide. Online betting does not in any way replace that. People travel to Vegas for the Superbowl just to bet on the games.
It had been a major contention point that gambling on home games would not be allowed and that would have large effect.
I am wondering if that had been resolved

If I am Davis and the deal is good I go regardless, let the NFL try to stop me (and end up paying me to move instead of me paying a relocation fee). The NFL has publicly stated that Oakland is not viable (just before the meeting that decided who got LA they stated all 3 teams met the requirement) so that half of the equation is already gone (they can't reverse and say Oakland has to stay because the market is viable). The NFL basically would be left arguing that either Vegas isn't a viable market (good luck!!!) or that somehow it is a detriment to the league. Tough battle considering it is a legal activity, the league is in bed with the fantasy sports betting (that hasn't all been settled as to where that stands), and player access to Vegas already exists (it would be pretty easy to show that players spend plenty of time there already). Honestly if I was the Raiders I am happy to take the case to court.

 

[jetplt67]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nds-750m-in-public-money-for-raiders-stadium/

Tourism committee recommends $750M in public money for Raiders stadium
Posted by Josh Alper on September 15, 2016

AP

As long as they aren't playing in our stadium, I neither know nor care where the Raiders play, I'll let others decide.

The issue I have is: how can a man with this much money have a hair cut like that? Any minimum wage earner can afford a haircut. Hell, go to Great Clips, they'll hook a guy up for $12.

 

[VegasRam]

Is there going to be legal sports betting on Raiders home games?

Why wouldn't there be?

 

[VegasRam]

I hope they come. I've always liked the Raiders - they were my AFC team when I lived in SoCal back in the day. (We still friends @ Selassie?). Plus UNLV gets a decent place to play close to campus.
Hope they come here. As far as support - think it's a no brainer. Between their opponents, LA and Oakland Raider fans and locals, no way they can't get 50-60K people for eight games.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I am not a fan of teams moving.

I understand why they do. It just doesn't feel good as a fan when they do.

 

[Selassie I]

I hope they come. I've always liked the Raiders - they were my AFC team when I lived in SoCal back in the day. (We still friends @ Salassie?). Plus UNLV gets a decent place to play close to campus.
Hope they come here. As far as support - think it's a no brainer. Between their opponents, LA and Oakland Raider fans and locals, no way they can't get 50-60K people for eight games.

Only if you spell my name right next time. :rant:

 

[PressureD41]

Guys can we stay on topic here? Who will be Marks's "Hair-stylist" if he moves?? Tough answers needed here

 

[PressureD41]

Sounds like Operation LA takeover is getting one step closer!!!

 

[ReddingRam]

Gotta admit. Sin City Raiders sounds so badass.

the move will be approved as long as the Nevada Assembly passes bill. A move of the Raiders would be another major revenue stream for the league and the owners. And we all know that ..... $$$ rules the day.

the gambling thing is much different than it was "back in the day" . The casinos and sports books are now run buy corporations, not the back room mob. Everything has to be legit and on the "up & up" or they would be looking back at federal involvement in their businesses ....... nobody wants that.

 

[Prime Time]

Moe Howard would have been a Raiders fan
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http://deadspin.com/mark-davis-travels-500-fucking-miles-to-look-like-that-1734022886

Mark Davis Travels 500 Freaking Miles To Look Like That!
Albert Burneko

Probably no haircut in human history has communicated as devastating a summation of its owner’s entire life as the insane orange Moe Howard bowl cut sported by Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis. Carve the shape of it into the wall of his father Al Davis’s mausoleum and it will tell a richer and truer story of heredity and dynasty than all the hieroglyphs in Thebes. Our distant alien descendants will telepath at each other, staring at it in horror, translucent fiberoptic extremities held over their mouths: This guy did a number on his kid.

In this respect, the cascade of bonkers details in ESPN writer Tim Keown’s terrific profile of Mark Davis—the tricked-out minivan he drives; his lifelong bachelorhood; how his father wouldn’t let him ride on the team’s charter plane—mostly serves to add dimension to a thing I think everybody who has beheld that ludicrous ’do already knows in their bones: That its owner is a lonely, stunted oddball whose father ignored him for the first 55 years of his life, then died.

The familiarity of the story does not prevent the individual details from astonishing. I think I aged 15 years just reading the opening paragraph:

Most days start the same — behind the wheel of a white 1997 Dodge Caravan SE outfitted with a bubble-top Mark III conversion kit, a VHS player mounted to the roof inside and a r8hers personalized plate. Mark Davis pilots this machine from his East Bay home to the nearest P.F. Chang’s, where he sits at the left end of the bar, same spot every time, puts his white fanny pack on the counter, orders an iced tea and unfolds the day’s newspapers.

Beside him on the bar, next to the papers, is his 2003 Nokia push-button phone with full texting capability. When someone calls and asks him where he is, he says, “I’m in my office,” and sends a knowing nod to the bartenders. It gets ‘em every time.

If a sadder block of text has been written in 2015, I will take your word for it. The sound that came out of me when I got to the words “puts his white fanny pack on the counter.” It was like whale song. Somebody send Mark Davis some flowers.

Here is the thing about the hair, though. Mark Davis is a frugal man, not just for a multimillionaire but also for a regular dude. He skimps on cab fare, he takes advantage of all-you-can-eat deals, he wears cornball team-store apparel, and that minivan of his (with a VHS player!) is 18 years old.

For that haircut, though—the one defined by its cheapness, the one your 12-year-old sister gave you in five minutes before you ran out for baseball practice, the one brought into existence by the bare need of broke dudes to get overgrown hair out of their eyes so they could see their miserable work—well ...

Davis travels to Palm Desert to get it cut, just as he traveled to Chico from Oakland to visit a preferred barber long after he left college at Chico State. “I think he’s had three barbers since college,” [former Raiders wideout Cliff] Branch says. “If he likes something, he stays loyal.”

... he travels 500 freaking miles to have it inflicted upon him by a professional.

Imagine what that barber says to the next customer who strolls in, as Mark Davis is on his way out. Imagine the look they exchange. Dude could get that hairdo in front of a bathroom mirror for the cost of a metal colander and a pair of kitchen shears, and he’s traveling damn near half the length of the West Coast to pay someone to do it for him.

A dear friend invites me to her freaking wedding 500 miles away and it’s, “Congratulations! Where can I send a gift?” and this dude is doing it, again and again and again, so someone can make him look like a lunatic on purpose.

Why? Does that particular barber do a particularly good job of this bowl cut? What does that even mean? The best you can do when a grown man asks for a bowl cut is to convince him to turn himself in to the freaking police. That barber is a damn sociopath!

Behold this sad bastard, this rich old man whom unfathomable lifelong wealth and leisure could never persuade to venture even a toe into the exhilarating terrors of real adulthood. Hug your children and tell them they are strong and brave and smart.

Give them challenges, responsibilities, a hand when they need it, and congratulations after. Or one day a 500-mile trip for a haircut like Mark Davis’s might be all they can dare to do with their lives, and that dismal fact will be your epitaph.

 

[VegasRam]

Only if you spell my name right next time. :rant:

GODDAMMIT! One of my (very few) strong suits is spelling, and I have the HARDEST FUCKING TIME remembering how to spell your name.
I think about it every time. The 'a' was a typo, but can never remember if it's 2 l's or 2 s's. (Think dogs....dogs....lassie...lassie, or cute Irish maidens).
:headexplosion:
Just for the record, is it say LA sea, se la SEA, or SAY la sea?:icare:

Of all the usernames I should know....just gonna' start calling yo '29'.

(Edit - just went back and looked...I DID remember - big win at my age). :rolllaugh:

Edit 2 - this post makes absolutely no sense, so I'll leave it up. Sad thing is I'm not even high).alm:

 

[dieterbrock]

Why wouldn't there be?

I'm not sure the exact legal definition but you cant bet on sports in LV that are being played in LV

 

[tahoe]

I hate seeing any city losing a team, I know what it feels like.

 

[jetplt67]

Moe Howard would have been a Raiders fan
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http://deadspin.com/mark-davis-travels-500-freaking-miles-to-look-like-that-1734022886

Mark Davis Travels 500 Freaking Miles To Look Like That!
Albert Burneko

LMAO

 

[VegasRam]

I'm not sure the exact legal definition but you cant bet on sports in LV that are being played in LV

Yes, you can, and have been able to for ten years now.

People who do not know anything about Las Vegas should do a little research.

Las Vegas is somewhat more than the general perception - not that that's ever going to change.

Just tired of the ignorance.