Just to provoke discussion, I'm proposing a theory...

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Rams43

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This is just to promote discussion, mind you.

Remember the NASA multi stage rockets?

Stage 1 was to do the heaviest lifting to get the inert behemoth moving upwards. Stage 2 got the already moving payload going much faster before it, too, ran out of fuel. Finally, Stage 3 finished the job of accelerating an already fast moving object to it's ultimate orbital speed.

Is it possible that we will need to do the same thing with our HC?

Let Fisher get the inert Ran behemoth moving upwards, then hire a Stage 2 HC to insert us into orbit? Hopefully no need for a "Stage 3" HC, lol.

I dunno, fellas...

But I'm beginning to suspect that Fisher is merely a Stage 1 HC and may never be able to get us to the promised land. Just look at his career W/L record over two decades for evidence.

Thoughts?
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Let's see how the season plays out before we declare Fish a flop, got to give your HC three years, unless you're the Raiders! :sneaky:
 

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This is just to promote discussion, mind you.

Remember the NASA multi stage rockets?

Stage 1 was to do the heaviest lifting to get the inert behemoth moving upwards. Stage 2 got the already moving payload going much faster before it, too, ran out of fuel. Finally, Stage 3 finished the job of accelerating an already fast moving object to it's ultimate orbital speed.

Is it possible that we will need to do the same thing with our HC?

Let Fisher get the inert Ran behemoth moving upwards, then hire a Stage 2 HC to insert us into orbit? Hopefully no need for a "Stage 3" HC, lol.

I dunno, fellas...

But I'm beginning to suspect that Fisher is merely a Stage 1 HC and may never be able to get us to the promised land. Just look at his career W/L record over two decades for evidence.

Thoughts?
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If you're looking only at Fisher's win-loss record, you're completely ignoring the context of his tenure in Tennessee as well as the mess he inherited here.

Also, what's with the links to the antiquated forum?
 

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It's entirely possible that he is that type, I know that is the label Marty Schottenheimer had from his Cleveland days until the end of his career.

George Karl had that rep in the NBA too.
 

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A lot of you guys would be surprised at some pretty famous head coaches in multiple sports and their prior records before they "took off" John Wooden was getting drug by the guy at Cal (big man camp dude)...think about the Yankee Manager Torre (I swore he was terrible)....George Allen. Lombardi....Belichick before Brady...Even Bill Parcells...the guy with the New York Giants now (man was I wrong about him too)...Even Dick Vermiel....you never know when system meets player....It usually starts with a great staff, and a once in a lifetime player (HOF'er)....I think Fish is close....
 

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I agree with Barrison, but the ugly losses at home have me more concerned that I have ever been with Fisher. There is still a lot of football to be played.
 

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I agree with Barrison, but the ugly losses at home have me more concerned that I have ever been with Fisher. There is still a lot of football to be played.

Totally agree.

I was hoping for a better start to the season, for sure.

But, it's early as you say.

However, this is one tough stretch!
 

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I've had similar thoughts...not so sure Stan had that in mind though.
 

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If you're looking only at Fisher's win-loss record, you're completely ignoring the context of his tenure in Tennessee as well as the mess he inherited here.

Also, what's with the links to the antiquated forum?

Antiquated forum links, ZigZag? I don't understand.

Could you please explain?
 

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Let's see how the season plays out before we declare Fish a flop, got to give your HC three years, unless you're the Raiders! :sneaky:

Well, that's just the thing, Barrison. It hasn't been just 3 years. I believe this is his TWENTIETH year as HC.

And he's been essentially a .500 HC. That's the very definition of mediocrity, man.

Aside from that, here are a few of my concerns with Fisher so far in St Louis...

Why did it take 3 years for Quick to "get it"?
Why is GRob STILL not starting? Bad pick or bad coaching?
The Finnegan fiasco. No explanation necessary, is there?
The Tavon Austin trade up only to not use Austin effectively for most of the season. Cost us the badly needed Warford in the 2nd, btw.
How could Givens play so well as a rookie and then struggle since?
Was Wells our best possible move for C in '12?
Why did Stacy have to wait until game 5 to get his first start?
Hell, why did Bailey have to wait until game nine?
Why wait until year 3 to seriously address healthy OL needs? J Long, Wells, Saffold, and Dahl were not considered healthy players, IMO.
The embarrassing attempt at a "spread" O in early '13 season.
Fisher hired GW with great fanfare, yet the results have been devastating. BEYOND devastating, IMO.
Our front 4 has regressed this year. BIG time.
Where are our LB's? Especially Ogletree?
Not sure Joyner has proven worthy of the trade up. Certainly not so far.
Where is Mo Alexander starting, exactly? The player that Fisher wanted SO badly?
Penalties under Fisher have been killing us since he arrived. Not holding my breath waiting for improvement there, either.
Why draft Mason in the 3rd? He's the FOURTH string RB! And quality O linemen and QB prospects were still sitting there for us.
Fisher is declaring a healthy Hill will be our starter despite what Davis has shown. WTF?
I suspect the CB cushion is a Fisher philosophy, not a Walton or GW one. Another WTF?

Look, I had high hopes for Fisher when he arrived. And I still hope he can somehow lead us to the promised land. I AM a Ram fan, after all.

But my eyes remain wide open and I'm seeing quite a few chinks in the Fisher armor.

I'll close with this...

I'd trade Fisher for any of Carroll, Harbaugh, or Arians straight up right now. And in a heartbeat!
 

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Ram 43 said:
"And he's been essentially a .500 HC. That's the very definition of mediocrity, man."

No that's the definition of acceptability ,beyond that you have to look at his support. Coaches are constantly undermined by poor organizations in this league ,with Paul Allen he could easily be a 10-6 average , Stan Kroenke can be such an owner ,Fisher saw the elite QB available here and took the job ,what he didn't see and no one else did was two ACL tears,but he got this team back to 7-9 without that elite QB ,that's not mediocre.
 

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I'm willing to give him another year maybe 2,he took over a trainwreck and flipped the roster into the youngest 3 years running so mistakes will and have happen.Losing Bradford for the year is going to hurt more during the next 2 months with that schedule.I believe they can compete with anybody if if they can all get on the same page and provided we don't get any more games stolen from us.But it won't be easy with all the youngsters were basically an old college team.So I'm not ready to see him go yet let's see what he can do with what he built.....GO RAMS
 

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Ram 43 said:
"And he's been essentially a .500 HC. That's the very definition of mediocrity, man."

No that's the definition of acceptability ,beyond that you have to look at his support. Coaches are constantly undermined by poor organizations in this league ,with Paul Allen he could easily be a 10-6 average , Stan Kroenke can be such an owner ,Fisher saw the elite QB available here and took the job ,what he didn't see and no one else did was two ACL tears,but he got this team back to 7-9 without that elite QB ,that's not mediocre.

Ironically, Thordaddy, your reply sounds just like my own mindset until very recently.

I've been a Fisher supporter myself from the jump. But I'm noticing chinks in his armor lately.

Care to comment on some of my points made in my reply to Barrison, above?
 

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well so far, in the three threads you have started here on ROD, they have all been copied and pasted from another forum http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/index.php

Thanks for the clarification, Rhody. Yes, I've copied and pasted 2 (not 3) posts from another board so far.

But they were my own original posts over there. Didn't see the need for attribution. Also, I was unaware that they would carry the baggage in question from the posts of mine from that other board.

I'm clearly not a sophisticated Internet user. Lol.

Just thought they might be worth sharing on this board. I've seen other posters do the same thing in the past with interesting and fun discussion results.
 

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Thanks for the clarification, Rhody. Yes, I've copied and pasted 2 (not 3) posts from another board so far.

But they were my own original posts over there. Didn't see the need for attribution. Also, I was unaware that they would carry the baggage in question from the posts of mine from that other board.

I'm clearly not a sophisticated Internet user. Lol.

Just thought they might be worth sharing on this board. I've seen other posters do the same thing in the past with interesting and fun discussion results.


was just clarifying the point made by ZZ about linking to the "antiquated forum"..it was obvious the posts came from another forum, which is somewhat older in design and function than this one. Not saying that they were bad posts my friend, but if a member of ROD isn't a member of The Herd, then how do we know who originally penned them. And again, I am not at all saying that they were plagiarized, just pointing out a fact that may have been overlooked.


and it is 3..if ya want I can point them out to you ;)
 

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was just clarifying the point made by ZZ about linking to the "antiquated forum"..it was obvious the posts came from another forum, which is somewhat older in design and function than this one. Not saying that they were bad posts my friend, but if a member of ROD isn't a member of The Herd, then how do we know who originally penned them. And again, I am not at all saying that they were plagiarized, just pointing out a fact that may have been overlooked.


and it is 3..if ya want I can point them out to you ;)

I appreciate the clarification, Rhody.

Three things...

There are a couple of posters here that are members of both boards and they have been encouraging me to become a member and start posting here. After reading this board for several months, I became quite impressed. So I joined and have taken my first baby steps in the posting arena here.

There are a number of posters that are members of both boards. Hopefully, they can verify that I faithfully credit all OP's when I copy and paste posts from one board to another. I've done so for years. Failing that, I give you my word as an officer and a gentleman that that has always been my policy. I've even received posted compliments to that effect.

I'm responding in this way because I'm new to this board and understand that I have to earn the respect of posters on this board, so I don't want it hanging out there that I'm a POS poster that takes undeserved credit for the effort of others. Lol.

As to whether I've started 2 or 3 threads, I can't believe we're gonna be that nitpicky. I only remember 2, and both were very recent. Both copied and pasted from the Herd board. Both my original posts there.

Just to satisfy myself, I checked back through the most recent 20 pages of new threads on this board. All the way back to 9-11-14. Never found another of mine.

So that's my story. Are we cool?