JuJu Smith-Schuster says Cowboys and Rams have shown the most interest

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I'd say Anquan Boldin or Hines Ward are his ultimate potential. I'd say Michael Crabtree is his most realistic outcome.

He's not Alshon. He doesn't dominate at the catch-point like Alshon.(doesn't have Alshon's hands) But he's strong, incredibly physical before and after the catch, tough to tackle, and sneaky athletic. He also plays the game with a real mean streak.

Damn JRRY!!! You get me all excited for Kupp. Now you get me all excited for JuJu. Does anybody think the Rams will send a card to the podium with an OC's name on it at #37? I want a difference maker on offense so naturally, I'm thinking WR or TE. I suppose an OC could be a difference maker and it wouldn't suggest they're not serious about the offense. Can't wait for Friday.
 

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Damn JRRY!!! You get me all excited for Kupp. Now you get me all excited for JuJu. Does anybody think the Rams will send a card to the podium with an OC's name on it at #37? I want a difference maker on offense so naturally, I'm thinking WR or TE. I suppose an OC could be a difference maker and it wouldn't suggest they're not serious about the offense. Can't wait for Friday.

Why would we send a card to the podium with Matt LaFleur's name on it? ;)

If Forrest Lamp is available, I hope they do! We have lucked out some degree, PA. This is a year where the WRs available in the second are talented and pro ready. Should be able to get a WR who can make an immediate impact.
 

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I think if you walk into the draft with that mindset, you risk on passing on a better WR to try and fill a specific role. For example, if Woods and Juju prove to be very effective WRs, our other WRs will get deep looks simply by virtue of the attention paid to those two.

I'm not walking into the draft with a merely a mindset... I'm giving my honest evaluation of the WR's on this Roster.

To assume that the single addition of JuJu and the previous signing of Woods will automatically give other WR's on this roster (lacking proven talent) free uncontested looks for the deep ball can be considered a mindset of its own.

The Rams need more than one type of WR to upgrade the talent on the current roster imo.. My opinion is they need to add a deep threat specialist if they were to only settle for drafting one single WR like a JuJu, Zay or Kupp.

Does what I think make it a fact? No but your response falls in the same context of "conjecture" and assumption and is in the same boundaries of my hypothesis, though from a different point of view.

Not trying to bust your theory jrry, I'm just saying that I stand just as strong with my presupposition of our WR's and what I think is still needed based on the skill sets and recent history of the current WR' on the roster. My thinking is revolved around the Rams only adding one WR with the skill sets that JuJu, Zay and Kupp bring to the table. Maybe I'm wrong but these are my thoughts as of 04/22/2017.

I sincerely hope they would draft another WR that is more known as a deep ball specialist. There are some pretty good WR's in the draft with deep threat skill sets rated with 4th round grades. I hope they're on the Rams radar and the Rams end up selecting 2 WR's before this draft is over. Hard to say how it will pan out though because as you already know, a run on WR's in any round can change things in a hurry.

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Top 10 NFL Wide Receiver producing Schools


2. USC Trojans

Draft picks last 25 years: 20, including Curtis Conway, Johnny Morton, Keyshawn Johnson, R.J. Soward, Mike Williams, Robert Woods and Marqise Lee.
The skinny: The Trojans have produced five first-round picks in the last 25 years, and two promising second-rounders in the last two drafts (Woods, Lee). Conway, Morton and Johnson all had multiple seasons of 1,000-plus yards in the NFL. The biggest busts here definitely go to Soward and Williams, both first-round picks, neither of whom lasted more than two seasons with the team that drafted them. They forgot Nelson Agholor
 

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I'm not walking into the draft with a merely a mindset... I'm giving my honest evaluation of the WR's on this Roster.

To assume that the single addition of JuJu and the previous signing of Woods will automatically give other WR's on this roster (lacking proven talent) free uncontested looks for the deep ball can be considered a mindset of its own.

Tavon and Thomas don't lack the ability to take the top off a defense. They don't need an uncontested look. If you get them a 1-on-1 match-up with no help, they can get deep. That's the point. And I didn't assume anything about it automatically doing anything.

I said if Woods and Juju (or another WR) prove to be effective threats, it will open up opportunities for other WRs on this roster to get open deep by virtue of the attention paid to those two.

I understand that you weren't saying we must get a deep threat at #37, but I don't agree that this team MUST have a deep threat specialist.

The Rams need more than one type of WR to upgrade the talent on the current roster imo.. My opinion is they need to add a deep threat specialist if they were to only settle for drafting one single WR like a JuJu, Zay or Kupp.

I don't see a deep threat specialist as a need this team must have. I see at least one productive WR as a need we must have.

Does what I think make it a fact? No but your response falls in the same context of "conjecture" and assumption and is in the same boundaries of my hypothesis, though from a different point of view.

Not trying to bust your theory jrry, I'm just saying that I stand just as strong with my presupposition of our WR's and what I think is still needed based on the skill sets and recent history of the current WR' on the roster. My thinking is revolved around the Rams only adding one WR with the skill sets that JuJu, Zay and Kupp bring to the table. Maybe I'm wrong but these are my thoughts as of 04/22/2017.

I sincerely hope they would draft another WR that is more known as a deep ball specialist. There are some pretty good WR's in the draft with deep threat skill sets rated with 4th round grades. I hope they're on the Rams radar and the Rams end up selecting 2 WR's before this draft is over. Hard to say how it will pan out though because as you already know, a run on WR's in any round can change things in a hurry.

They can do that, but I don't see it as a "must have." Mike Thomas and Tavon Austin can both take the top off a defense.
 

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2. USC Trojans

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The skinny: The Trojans have produced five first-round picks in the last 25 years, and two promising second-rounders in the last two drafts (Woods, Lee). Conway, Morton and Johnson all had multiple seasons of 1,000-plus yards in the NFL. The biggest busts here definitely go to Soward and Williams, both first-round picks, neither of whom lasted more than two seasons with the team that drafted them. They forgot Nelson Agholor

This is from 2014. Agholor was drafted in 2015.
 

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I don't see a deep threat specialist as a need this team must have. I see at least one productive WR as a need we must have.

They can do that, but I don't see it as a "must have." Mike Thomas and Tavon Austin can both take the top off a defense.

I respect your opinion though I disagree that Thomas & Tavon have shown enough with their hands on a consistent level to consider them both as bonafide reliable deep threats to stay content.

Do they have the speed to take the top off ? Sure but I just think some new blood in this draft with a primary skill set as a deep threat specialist is required.

We shall see what McVay and the Rams think when this draft is over about how our opinions vary on this subject. I could be flat wrong and they only draft 1 WR and no deep threat specialist will be added.

By the way I'm on board with your top 5 (Day 2) WR rankings and have read all your WR insight posts. Mine are close to yours, with a few twists. I hope one of the players we have listed ends up wearing horns (y)

Yours are...

1. Cooper Kupp
2. Zay Jones
3. Chris Godwin
4. Juju Smith
5. Josh Reynolds

Mine are...

1. Juju Smith
2. Cooper Kupp
3. Zay Jones
4. ArDarius Sterart
5. Josh Reynolds
6 Chris Godwin (tie) Dede Westbrook

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I respect your opinion though I disagree that Thomas & Tavon have shown enough with their hands on a consistent level to consider them both as bonafide reliable deep threats to stay content.

If a guy is around in the 4th or 5th round, he likely has flaws that also prevent him from being called a "bonafide reliable deep threat." Plus, he'll be a rookie. We all know rookies make mistakes and drop passes.

If Thomas and Tavon can get deep, they're both more than capable of taking that role on. Thomas has better hands than he showed as a rookie. It's very normal for rookies to struggle with drops. Tavon's hands are nothing special, but they're not terrible.

I'm not opposed to drafting a deep threat on Day 3. I just don't see it as a necessity. But that's not a big deal. It's a small difference of opinion. (y)

Do they have the speed to take the top off ? Sure but I just think some new blood in this draft with a primary skill set as a deep threat specialist is required.

We shall see what McVay and the Rams think when this draft is over about how our opinions vary on this subject. I could be flat wrong and they only draft 1 WR and no deep threat specialist will be added.

By the way I'm on board with your top 5 (Day 2) WR rankings and have read all your WR insight posts. Mine are close to yours, with a few twists. I hope one of the players we have listed ends up wearing horns (y)

Yours are...

1. Cooper Kupp
2. Zay Jones
3. Chris Godwin
4. Juju Smith
5. Josh Reynolds

Mine are...

1. Juju Smith
2. Cooper Kupp
3. Zay Jones
4. ArDarius Sterart
5. Josh Reynolds
6 Chris Godwin (tie) Dede Westbrook

No worries. We aren't that far apart on our stances. I have a lot of respect for your opinion as well. Looks like we'll both be happy if the Rams draft one of our WRs.
 

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Don't count out the possibility the Rams sign a vet WR after teams cut down to 53. McSnead has shown they value veteran leadership, of which the WR corps has almost none. Austin, Woods veterans? That's a stretch.

I'm leary of Davis and Kupp. Small school competition, whereas JuJu went up against a lot tougher set of db's in the Pac 12, some of whom will make it to the NFL. I can't dey either's talent though.
 

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Don't count out the possibility the Rams sign a vet WR after teams cut down to 53. McSnead has shown they value veteran leadership, of which the WR corps has almost none. Austin, Woods veterans? That's a stretch.

I'm leary of Davis and Kupp. Small school competition, whereas JuJu went up against a lot tougher set of db's in the Pac 12, some of whom will make it to the NFL. I can't dey either's talent though.

Kupp's Career Production vs. the Pac-12
4 games (Oregon, Washington*, Oregon State, and Washington State)
40 catches
716 receiving yards
11 receiving TDs
*Against Washington as a sophomore, Kupp posted 8 catches for 145 yards and 3 TDs. His three TDs were a 7 yard TD against Marcus Peters in zone coverage, a 41 yard TD against Marcus Peters in man coverage, and a 26 yard TD against Budda Baker in man coverage. Peters is one of the NFL's best CBs. Baker is a projected late-first to mid-second round pick this year.

Kupp loved going up against those Pac-12 DBs. ;)
 

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Just think of the play calling possibilities if we draft Kupp. Run on first and second with Gurley, throw if needed on 3rd down to Kupp and what does that make????????

2 Gurley's, One Kupp!!

Oh yes. Yes I did go there. I did indeed...

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Just think of the play calling possibilities if we draft Kupp. Run on first and second with Gurley, throw if needed on 3rd down to Kupp and what does that make????????

2 Gurley's, One Kupp!!

Oh yes. Yes I did go there. I did indeed...

:rimshot:

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BPA, based on team needs that is...
If you already have a QB, you pick BPA regardless of positions or needs. When you start reaching for a need over talent, you end up with less talent. We NEED defense, but if the Cowboys have an offensive player rated the highest when we pick, that's who they'll go with.

We didn't *need* Ezekiel Elliott. McFadden had over 1,000 yards the year before. He was the BPA (according to our board), so he was the pick. Look how well that turned out.
 

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If you already have a QB, you pick BPA regardless of positions or needs. When you start reaching for a need over talent, you end up with less talent. We NEED defense, but if the Cowboys have an offensive player rated the highest when we pick, that's who they'll go with.

We didn't *need* Ezekiel Elliott. McFadden had over 1,000 yards the year before. He was the BPA (according to our board), so he was the pick. Look how well that turned out.
That all sounds great, but it's not that simple. First off, the BPA is a discussion, even within the war room. Secondly, you mentioned QB, which is absolutely true, but there are other positions that have greater meaning, depending on the team. Thirdly, your team may have a glaring weakness, or if you'd rather, a fatal flaw, or flaws. Finally, you have to consider the depth of the draft.

When you stack your board of BPA's, a lot of these factors come into play, and are built into your board. If you rank the first 300 players, and are checking them off your board as the draft goes, you don't pick a DT, if he's only ranked 5 players higher than a position of need, especially if you are stacked with DT's. Nobody does that. That being said, the top ten players are usually different, and the factoring becomes exponential as you go. You probably wouldn't drop 3 - 5 places on your board in that area, except for the aforementioned QB position. Midway through the round, you might drop 5 -10 places if you find the talent, need, fit and position of importance on your team.

In the 2nd round, you might go 10 - 15 for the same thing, because all the things I mentioned, plus in the later rounds, depth can be a factor on draft position, if you haven't already addressed it. If you only have 2 more projected starters at a position, of importance, and need, you may have to push the envelope a little, because you know you won't be able to address that position in later rounds. Remember though, your team has these players projected as the right fit, and potential starters on your team. If you try to get too cute, you miss out on the Bobby Wagners.

Even after all that, it's a flawed system, because your scouts make mistakes; you can't measure heart, or growth in some cases; it's hard to evaluate the capacity to learn; character issues can go unseen, and you can't always plan on injuries.

You hear BPA a lot, I just think it's way more complicated than that, and it's rare to find a consensus, especially once you start burning through the draft.
 

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I remember a thousand years ago me (and women and 2 buds used to go to San Diego for a 3 man (also women) softball tournament...The coolest team name that I can remember was "6 tits, 3 slits, no balls"....
That had to be the Over The Line Tournament in San Diego.

It's a fun tourney.
 

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I differ only because, I think there are 4 maybe 5 WR's that cold go before JuJu, so he could be their for the Rams IF they want him!

The "5";
* Mike Williams
* Cory Davis
* Cooper Kupp
* Zay Jones
* John Ross

Please, let someone pick Kupp before JuJu. LOL.

Godwin, JuJu, Zay... possibly Engram... those are the players we should be circling.