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I'm starting to churn a bunch of these out as I get to see more and more players. I'm also starting to get excited for the Combine. Draft season is officially here!

Cut

WR Tavon Austin
ILB Mark Barron

I don't see anyone trading us anything for Austin. Barron played well for us, but we can find a better fit for our scheme at a cheaper price.

Re-Sign/Extend
DT Aaron Donald - 6 years $120 million
WR Sammy Watkins - 3 years $30 million
CB Nickell Robey-Coleman - 5 years $25 million
S LaMarcus Joyner - 5 years $42.5 million
S Cody Davis - 3 years $4.5 million
C John Sullivan - 1 year $1.5 million
DT Tyrunn Walker - NFL minimum
OLB Connor Barwin - 1 year $1.5 million
CB Troy Hill - ERFA
HB Malcolm Brown - ERFA
OLB Matt Longacre - RFA
LS Jake McQuaide - 3 years $4.5 million

Trumaine asks for too much and ends up walking. We bring Sammy back on a 3 year $30 million deal. It's a win-win for Sammy and us. Other than that, it's pretty standard.

Free Agency
CB Aqib Talib - 2 years $18 million
ILB Navorro Bowman - 1 year $4 million
OLB Aaron Lynch - 1 years $1.5 million
NT Beau Allen - 3 years $6 million

Talib was a star in Wade's defense before and should be more affordable than Tru due to his age. He's still one of the NFL's best press CBs. Yes, he's a bit of a knucklehead, but he's also a hell of a player. I can deal with his shenanigans if he's locking down #1 WRs for us.

Bowman is brought in to play the thumper role next to Ogletree. We give him an affordable, short deal to bring leadership and run-stuffing ability. I think he'd be a good guy to have in the locker-room. I also think he can really be a positive influence for Ogletree and our other young LBs. Plus, he doesn't have to go far from Oakland/SF.

Lynch is us taking a chance on a low risk/high reward player. We give basically nothing in guarantees. He has some character issues, but he also is an incredibly talented player who can really get after the QB. He no longer fits SF's scheme, and Wade is one of the best in the game at building relationships with his players.

We bring in Beau Allen to give us some beef in the middle. He's been a strong run-stopping presence in the middle for Philly the past few years, but he doesn't bring much pass rush potential with him. That ought to make him fairly cheap. He'll give Wade more of a true NT.

NFL Draft
Round 1 Pick #23 - Mike Hughes CB UCF

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9oJybcJ9Z0

Round 3 Pick #23 - Shaquem Griffin ILB/OLB UCF

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6jFL3W1Z7E

Round 4 Pick #23 - Desmond Harrison OT West Georgia

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zZaO_TpMYo

Round 5 Pick #23 - P.J. Hall NT/DE Sam Houston State

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28LPQw0hCU

Round 6 Pick #20 - Tyler Conklin TE Central Michigan

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Pk7mMm8Iw

Round 6 Pick #21 - Scott Quessenberry C/OG UCLA

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTrruoBYB0o

Round 6 Pick #23 - Phillip Lindsay HB Colorado

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lpqc99k9-I


Analysis: We spend our first round pick on CB Mike Hughes from UCF. At 5'11" 192, Hughes is a tad undersized, but he doesn't play small. Hughes is an outstanding fit here because the strongest part of his game is press-man coverage. He still is growing as an off-man and zone CB when it comes to pattern and route recognition as he only has one year of starting experience at the FBS level (JUCO transfer). However, in press-man coverage, he shows outstanding feet and hip flexibility. He's aggressive with his upper body using a jarring punch, but he's patient in the lower body. He really beats up WRs off the line and doesn't make it easy for them to get free releases. And when it comes time to turn and run, he has the deep speed to stay in their hip pocket along with the quickness to break off the route. He also got better and better as the year went on using his the sideline as an extra defender. I think he'll be a very valuable player in our scheme. He also has the athleticism to slide inside if we want Kayvon playing outside CB when we go into our subpackages.

Our second pick (in the third round) is spent on Shaquem Griffin. Many people have him rated as a Day 3 pick, and some even have him rated as a 7th round pick or UDFA. Personally, I think this is similar to the disrespect Aaron Donald was given throughout his senior season before he blew up at the Senior Bowl. Donald's size scared teams. Griffin's missing hand also likely scares teams. However, after the Senior Bowl and Combine, it was clear that Donald's size issues were overblown. I expect the same to be true with Griffin after the Combine. He already had a great Senior Bowl week and won Practice Player of the Week. I expect him to dominate at the Combine by posting great jump and agility numbers and running a 40 in the 4.45 to 4.55 range. Griffin checks in at 6'0" 222 with surprising power and elite burst/speed. Griffin closes like few can at the LB position. He's been a highly-effective pass rusher because of his ability diverse set of rush moves and evolved pass rush plan along with his elite speed and quickness off the edge. He doesn't have the size to hold up as an edge, but he should be an effective blitzer. Griffin has had plenty of snaps in coverage and shows the athleticism to handle M2M coverage responsibilities in the NFL. In the running game, he's a sideline-to-sideline LB who will sift through traffic to make TFLs. He can also close from the backside due to his incredible speed. Despite his small stature, Griffin has shown the ability to work off of and through blockers. Griffin's missing hand can limit him at times. It can make it harder for him to disengage from blocks and can cause him to miss tackles. However, Griffin's unique blend of elite speed for his position along with top-notch instincts means that the tackles he generally misses due to his hand are tackles that few other LBs would have been in a position to make. Griffin is a film room junkie who went as far as to put his mattress in there during camp. It shows in his play through his tremendous instincts, tendency to be in the right place at the right time, and his evolved pass rush plan. Simply put, if Griffin had two hands, I think he'd be considered one of the top players in the Draft. His game reminds me of Lavonte David and Deion Jones.

Desmond Harrison is a long and tremendously-athletic OT. He's definitely a project as he competed against a low level of competition at West Georgia. He was one of the top HS players in the nation but was kicked out of Texas for disciplinary issues. He had to sit out the Senior Bowl due to illness and only checked in at 279 pounds. However, he measured in at 6'6" with nearly 35 inch arms and 10.5 inch hands. On the field, Harrison is an easy mover and bender with a mean streak. He's a raw player who will need time to put on weight in the NFL, but he has the athletic gifts of a top LT. Kromer and Whitworth will have time to work with this kid and get him ready to play on Sundays.

P.J. Hall is an incredibly productive DL who played at Sam Houston State. At 6'0" 310, he is an interesting fit at either NT or DE in our scheme. He'll need some time to develop and get used to the NFL game, but he's a powerful kid who wins with natural leverage and quality hand usage. He's been compared to Grady Jarrett. He finished his career at SHSU with 284 tackles (61 per year), 86.5 TFLs (22 TFLs per year), 42 sacks (10.5 sacks per year), 9 FFs, 4 Ints, and 14 blocked kicks.

Tyler Conklin is a solid athlete who displays good blocking ability. He has a lot of similarities to Derek Carrier. Coming off a Jones fracture, there are some big questions about his foot that he'll need to clear up at the Combine. Scott Quessenberry is a guy whom I've liked for years. He has the versatility to play anywhere on the interior, good size at 6'5" 315, and a lot of experience as a starter. Athletically, he's pretty average all around, but he's a smart player with good technique who will play through the whistle. His brother, David, overcame cancer to return to the NFL. Scott seems like a kid who could end up starting for us at Center down the line.

Phillip Lindsay's nickname is the "Tasmanian Devil" because of his endless energy, toughness, and refusal to let his size limit him. At 5'8" 190 pounds, Lindsay is definitely undersized, but that didn't stop him from rushing for 2726 yards and 30 TDs over the past two seasons at Colorado. He also caught 76 passes during that time. Lindsay is a fearless pass protector who will stonewall edge rushers despite his small stature. He saved his QB from a number of hits in college. He's actually been compared to Chris Thompson by some, and there's validity to the comparison. Lindsay is small with good speed, great pass protection skills, and good pass-catching skills. He won't break a lot of tackles as a runner, but he'll get what's blocked. He has the potential to be a valuable HB on passing downs.

Projected Starters
QB: Jared Goff
HB: Todd Gurley
XWR: Sammy Watkins
ZWR: Robert Woods
SLWR: Cooper Kupp
TE: Gerald Everett
LT: Andrew Whitworth
LG: Rodger Saffold
C: John Sullivan
RG: Jamon Brown
RT: Rob Havenstein

SDE: Michael Brockers
NT: Beau Allen
DT: Aaron Donald
WOLB: Robert Quinn
WILB: Alec Ogletree
SILB: Navorro Bowman
SOLB: Connor Barwin
LCB: Aqib Talib
RCB: Mike Hughes
SLCB: Nickell Robey-Coleman
FS: LaMarcus Joyner
SS: John Johnson III

K: Greg Zuerlein
P: Johnny Hekker
LS: Jake McQuaide
 

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Like it a lot. Love Hughes he's somebody I've thought for a while will be there for us and is a possible Wade corner. Hall and Quessenberry are two other's I've looked at a lot. I'm probably not picking a TE but with 3 6th round picks I doubt any of us will guess those picks right there could be a lot of projects taken there.
 

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Like it a lot. Love Hughes he's somebody I've thought for a while will be there for us and is a possible Wade corner. Hall and Quessenberry are two other's I've looked at a lot. I'm probably not picking a TE but with 3 6th round picks I doubt any of us will guess those picks right there could be a lot of projects taken there.

It seems like McVay is looking for a Derek Carrier-type TE late. Personally, I'd leave it for UDFA or grab a blocker for the NFL minimum, but with it being the 6th round, I figured I'd toss in a name who we interviewed.
 

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Looks pretty solid.

I like the defense in this scenario.

I just wonder if Sullivan comes that cheap.

I also wonder if we will be drafting a kicker.
 

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Looks pretty solid.

I like the defense in this scenario.

I just wonder if Sullivan comes that cheap.

I also wonder if we will be drafting a kicker.
Regarding the kicker it's possible they actually like Ficken and he's an exclusive rights free agent.
 

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Re-Sign/Extend
DT Aaron Donald - 6 years $120 million
WR Sammy Watkins - 3 years $30 million
CB Nickell Robey-Coleman - 5 years $25 million
S LaMarcus Joyner - 5 years $42.5 million
S Cody Davis - 3 years $4.5 million
C John Sullivan - 1 year $1.5 million
DT Tyrunn Walker - NFL minimum
OLB Connor Barwin - 1 year $1.5 million
CB Troy Hill - ERFA
HB Malcolm Brown - ERFA
OLB Matt Longacre - RFA
LS Jake McQuaide - 3 years $4.5 million

Contract money always interests me. Hope Donald will take the 20M a year deal Hope the 10M for Watkins and three years is enough. NRC seems high even with a solid year. Sullivan should get more and a two year deal. Barwin I can take or leave but, he was making 3.5M IIRC so 1.5M is good.

Free Agency
CB Aqib Talib - 2 years $18 million
ILB Navorro Bowman - 1 year $4 million
OLB Aaron Lynch - 1 years $1.5 million
NT Beau Allen - 3 years $6 million

Give Bowman 2 years if he will come over. I like Allen hope not sure if he is a good enough upgrade.

Round 1 Pick #23 - Mike Hughes CB UCF
Looks good in coverage. Just what the Rams need.

Round 3 Pick #23 - Shaquem Griffin ILB/OLB UCF
I know you really like this guy. Where is he playing?

Round 6 Pick #21 - Scott Quessenberry C/OG UCLA
Looks solid.

Not sure Rams go for another TE but, this looks like a good defensive recovery plan with keeping up offense prospects.
 

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Like the fact that there are no trades, IMO, hard to predict those and Mike Hughes (great press corner) has been my guy from the outset as to Navorro Bowman, I like that he's a former 49er and every game against them will play with an edge. Phillip Lindsey is excellent value and underrated, he undoubtedly has a McVayesque quality.

Counselor as to Shaquem Griffin ILB/OLB UCF....How does the kid overcome the bench press issue? How does he improve his strength. I realize he can squat and it is a great story, but I would have concerns and would need to see him bench before I would draft him that high.
 
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Looks pretty solid.

I like the defense in this scenario.

I just wonder if Sullivan comes that cheap.

I also wonder if we will be drafting a kicker.

Nobody wanted Sullivan last year. With his age and injuries, I think he'll continue to be fairly cheap.

Contract money always interests me. Hope Donald will take the 20M a year deal Hope the 10M for Watkins and three years is enough. NRC seems high even with a solid year. Sullivan should get more and a two year deal. Barwin I can take or leave but, he was making 3.5M IIRC so 1.5M is good.



Give Bowman 2 years if he will come over. I like Allen hope not sure if he is a good enough upgrade.

Round 1 Pick #23 - Mike Hughes CB UCF
Looks good in coverage. Just what the Rams need.

Round 3 Pick #23 - Shaquem Griffin ILB/OLB UCF
I know you really like this guy. Where is he playing?

Round 6 Pick #21 - Scott Quessenberry C/OG UCLA
Looks solid.

Not sure Rams go for another TE but, this looks like a good defensive recovery plan with keeping up offense prospects.

I might be overpaying NRC, but I like what he brings to the table. With Sullivan's injuries and age, I prefer to keep the deals year to year. I feel the same way with Bowman.

Where is Griffin going to play? As a rookie, he'll be a special teamer, a backup ILB, and possibly a third down pass rusher at OLB. For the future, I expect he takes Bowman's spot.

Like the fact that there are no trades, IMO, hard to predict those and Mike Hughes (great press corner) has been my guy from the outset as to Navorro Bowman, I like that he's a former 49er and every game against them will play with an edge. Phillip Lindsey is excellent value and underrated, he undoubtedly has a McVayesque quality.

Counselor as to Shaquem Griffin ILB/OLB UCF....How does the kid overcome the bench press issue? How does he improve his strength. I realize he can squat and it is a great story, but I would have concerns and would need to see him bench before I would draft him that high.

Shaquem Griffin has a prosthetic hand that he uses for workouts, including the bench press.
 

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Pretty sure Lynch resigned with the Seahawks. And, imho, he’s an undisciplined knucklehead (scheme wise and life wise) who isn’t worth a train ticket let alone a flyer
 

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Pretty sure Lynch resigned with the Seahawks. And, imho, he’s an undisciplined knucklehead (scheme wise and life wise) who isn’t worth a train ticket let alone a flyer

Lynch doesn't play for the Seahawks, and I didn't see where he re-signed. He is a knucklehead, but he's a knucklehead who posted 12.5 sacks over his first two NFL seasons. He's certainly an option for a flier. We've taken shots on other guys like that. Some panned out. Some didn't.
 

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I like Hughes, but I wasn't counting on him being available when the Rams pick. Maybe his size and lack of experience will quell the demand for him. I hope so. However the lack of experience may appeal to NFL coaches, he may be easier to coach with any bad habits being less entrenched in his game.

I don't think Griffin goes that high. I know it could be smoke but many scouts supposedly think that his handicap makes it very difficult to shed blocks when his intact arm/hand are grabbed. If this is what they have seen then it would be understandable that he would be a day three pick. He would be a liability in run defense as opponents would key on that weakness. Even if this wasn't the case it would be a hard sell to get NFL coaches to believe that Griffin won't have difficulties that prevent him from being an every down player.

I like the rest of it.

I am still not convinced that Tru doesn't sign. I'd still take Talib. He and Tru would be a sweet duo.
 

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I like Hughes, but I wasn't counting on him being available when the Rams pick. Maybe his size and lack of experience will quell the demand for him. I hope so. However the lack of experience may appeal to NFL coaches, he may be easier to coach with any bad habits being less entrenched in his game.

I don't think Griffin goes that high. I know it could be smoke but many scouts supposedly think that his handicap makes it very difficult to shed blocks when his intact arm/hand are grabbed. If this is what they have seen then it would be understandable that he would be a day three pick. He would be a liability in run defense as opponents would key on that weakness. Even if this wasn't the case it would be a hard sell to get NFL coaches to believe that Griffin won't have difficulties that prevent him from being an every down player.

I like the rest of it.

I am still not convinced that Tru doesn't sign. I'd still take Talib. He and Tru would be a sweet duo.

That might be, but Ogletree and Laurinaitis have two hands, and neither can get off a block to save their lives. On the other hand (pun intended), Griffin makes plays like these:
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These three plays show Griffin stacking and shedding a LT before making a tackle in the running game, Griffin bullrushing a RT before making a sack, and Griffin blowing up the lead blocking back before forcing a fumble.

The fact that Griffin played 3-4 OLB the past two years actually has put quite a bit of film out there with him against OLs. He's held his own well considering his size. He wins some battles and loses some battles.

Will there be times where NFL OLs engulf him? Absolutely. However, the same thing happens to Deion Jones. Yet, he's still one of the best LBs in the NFL. Jones is such an incredible athlete that you accept that NFL OLs will sometimes overpower him in the running game. The same is true of Telvin Smith of the Jaguars. Shaquem Griffin is the same caliber of athlete as those guys. Teams accept that those guys won't excel at stacking and shedding because they run like DBs. Griffin's speed stands out on tape as special. He closes like few LBs can.
 

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That might be, but Ogletree and Laurinaitis have two hands, and neither can get off a block to save their lives. On the other hand (pun intended), Griffin makes plays like these:
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These three plays show Griffin stacking and shedding a LT before making a tackle in the running game, Griffin bullrushing a RT before making a sack, and Griffin blowing up the lead blocking back before forcing a fumble.

The fact that Griffin played 3-4 OLB the past two years actually has put quite a bit of film out there with him against OLs. He's held his own well considering his size. He wins some battles and loses some battles.

Will there be times where NFL OLs engulf him? Absolutely. However, the same thing happens to Deion Jones. Yet, he's still one of the best LBs in the NFL. Jones is such an incredible athlete that you accept that NFL OLs will sometimes overpower him in the running game. The same is true of Telvin Smith of the Jaguars. Shaquem Griffin is the same caliber of athlete as those guys. Teams accept that those guys won't excel at stacking and shedding because they run like DBs. Griffin's speed stands out on tape as special. He closes like few LBs can.


You may be right. Why not just move Baron to OLB. I see similarities.
 

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Barron can't hold up against the run at OLB.
I think you're right, watching the film on Griffin is making me a believer. He makes plays with such good technique, and yes his closing burst is special. Barron is who I thought we'd be replacing with Griffin, so my first thought was, why not just keep Barron, who has so much more experience? but the problem with Barron is a) cap hit and b) he's a former converted safety. Griffin has always been a LB. Barron only has been LB since GW, and is not built to shed blocks. The Fournette TD run, where Barron gets literally tossed to the ground by an OG, was embarrasing. He's a really good LB, no doubt, but Griffin's skill set & amazing speed/burst are special. He's no one-trick pony either: an array of rush skills, shed skills, ball stripping, INT's, FF's, etc. he can do it all.
 

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I will look at it more later - not that you care but...:D

I have one question. With how Davis played before the injury, does anyone else have the inkling that he may get a better offer? I will admit that I have always liked him. He seemed to really fit with Wade’s defense and I can see him as a starter somewhere. He isn’t super talented beyond his speed but he really seemed to be coming into his own.
 

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Mark Barron has some worn down body parts due to playing starting LB'er for the Rams in a safety's frame. His knee was a problem for him that goes back several seasons, the broken thumb was an recent development in 2017... then the damaged Achilles/heel through-out the 2017 season my be the most troubling. But when you look at this matter in an overview along with his serious cap hit now & into the far future???.......there's a problem that needs to addressed ASAP.