Jimmy Garoppolo, Jared Goff could put 49ers-Rams rivalry back in spotlight

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Jimmy Garoppolo, Jared Goff could put 49ers-Rams rivalry back in spotlight
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Jimmy Garoppolo and the 49ers will face the Rams at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on Sunday (4:25 p.m. ET, Fox). Sergio Estrada/USA TODAY Sports

Nick Wagoner & Alden Gonzalez

Long before the road to the NFC West division crown ran through Seattle, the San Francisco 49ers and Los Angeles Rams engaged in the fiercest of division rivalries.

Beginning in 1950, it was a rivalry born of heated competition and, of course, geography. Using just the time frame since the NFC West became a division in 1970, the Rams and 49ers combined to win 28 of a possible 34 division titles through 2003. Much like the Dodgers and Giants in baseball, the Rams and 49ers were expected to represent their stake in the state of California -- the Rams for the south and the Niners for the north.

With both teams struggling for large stretches after 2003, the rivalry had gone somewhat dormant, as both teams played in the obscurity that accompanies losing.

Now, with the Rams back in Los Angeles -- after having relocated to St. Louis from 1995 to 2015 -- and atop the division and the Niners looking the part of an up-and-comer, this rivalry has all the ingredients to once again be the one to watch, especially on the West Coast.

Both teams possess charismatic and confident young head coaches and quarterbacks in the Rams' Sean McVay and Jared Goff and the Niners' Kyle Shanahan and Jimmy Garoppolo. Earlier this season, the Rams and Niners played one of the most entertaining games of 2017, a 41-39 Los Angeles victory. We likely won't be treated to something similar on Sunday when the teams meet at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (4:25 p.m. ET, Fox), as the Rams rest many of their top players for the postseason.

Still, in an all-time rivalry that currently has the Niners ahead just 68-65-3, there's a realistic possibility that McVay-Shanahan and Goff-Garoppolo will be main-event caliber football for years to come.

Where they are now
Rams reporter Alden Gonzalez: The Rams have pulled a complete 180 in McVay's first season, and no player exemplifies that better than Goff. The 2016 No. 1 overall pick finished his rookie season with an 18.3 Total QBR that was easily the worst among those quarterbacks with at least 200 passing attempts. Now, at age 23, Goff has a better touchdown-to-interception ratio (4.00) than even Tom Brady (3.75). The game has slowed down for Goff, his accuracy has improved and he has a much better feel in the pocket. But he also is operating behind a better offensive line, throwing to a better group of receivers and, thanks to McVay, navigating within a much more quarterback-friendly scheme. From one season to the next, the Rams (11-4) have gone from an NFL-worst 14 points per game to an NFL-best 31 points per game. And Goff now sports the NFL's fifth-highest passer rating (100.5).

49ers reporter Nick Wagoner: Certainly, the 49ers have a lot of work to do to catch up to the newly crowned division champs. However, after an 0-9 start, the Niners have been one of the league's best teams over the past month and a half, winning five of six and currently riding a four-game win streak. At the center of that revitalization is Garoppolo, the newcomer who has single-handedly breathed life into the organization and looks every bit the part of a franchise quarterback (and stands to get paid like one soon, too). With Shanahan calling the plays and Garoppolo at the controls, the 49ers offense has surged. Combined with a fiery young defense led by foundational pieces such as defensive tackle DeForest Buckner and linebacker Reuben Foster, the Niners have a chance to finish the season as one of the league's hottest teams.

What needs to happen around them
Gonzalez: It's crazy to say, given the extreme lows of 2016, but, well, nothing. The Rams just need to keep building. Goff needs to continue to grow as a quarterback, specifically with his accuracy on deep throws and his ball security while under duress. McVay needs to continue to grow as a playcaller, most notably with his tendency to rely too heavily on the pass at times. And the front office needs to keep drafting well. The long-term concern, believe it or not, is the defense. That side of the ball was playoff-ready long before the offense, and now a lot of those key defensive players are getting expensive. The Rams might have some tough decisions to make this offseason with the likes of Trumaine Johnson, Lamarcus Joyner, Robert Quinn and Mark Barron. And they eventually need to make Aaron Donald the game's highest-paid defensive player.

Wagoner: In some ways, the 49ers would be wise to take a page from L.A.'s 2017 offseason playbook as they approach the 2018 offseason. While the Rams' dramatic turnaround is the result of many years of work, it's what the Rams did last offseason that pushed them over the top. The Niners seemingly already have the head coach and quarterback in place, but they need to make it a priority to bolster the supporting cast. On offense, that means doing something similar to what the Rams did by adding a couple of key pieces on the offensive line and at wide receiver. The 49ers' offense could use a game-breaker or two; a top wide receiver -- preferably a big, physical one -- would be a welcome addition. So too would be a couple of new bodies on the interior of the offensive line. Beyond that, the Niners also have pressing needs at cornerback and edge rusher. With more than $100 million in cap space and nine 2018 draft picks, the Niners should be able to check a number of boxes to bolster the roster and position themselves for a potential big turnaround next year.

Who they can become
Gonzalez: Kevin Demoff, the Rams' chief operating officer, recently noted that in 10 years McVay will be 41 and Goff will be 33, both still within the prime years of their respective professions. He was pointing out that the Rams have a coach and quarterback who can grow together, and he mentioned other successful coach-quarterback pairings who did the same, such as Asshole Face and Drew Brees, Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger and even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. It helps that the Rams are very young at receiver and have a star running back in Todd Gurley who is only 23 years old. Said Demoff: "This is sustainable. And that's where, as a building block for this franchise -- for this organization, for this city -- you feel really good about what you've planted. And now it's got to grow."

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Entering Week 17, Rams quarterback Jared Goff has a better touchdown-to-interception ratio (4.00) than Tom Brady (3.75). AP Photo/Kelvin Kuo

Wagoner: It's harder to gauge the 49ers' upside right now, because so much of that faith is being pinned on what we've seen from Garoppolo in a short, four-game stretch. That said, there's a lot to like about the way Shanahan and general manager John Lynch are building this team and this culture. Before Garoppolo arrived, Shanahan's team never fractured in the face of all that losing; and now that the Niners are enjoying some success, they don't seem to be buying into their own hype. That type of even-keeled approach is paramount -- and a direct reflection of the head coach. From what we've seen so far, if the Niners are successful in building around Garoppolo -- giving him a full offseason to learn Shanahan's offense and adding key pieces to the defense -- it's not out of the question that the 49ers could enjoy a quicker-than-imagined turnaround and become the top NFC West challenger to the Rams as soon as next season, with even bigger things just a bit further on the horizon.

What they're saying
McVay on Garoppolo: "He's definitely instilled a confidence and energy in their offense," McVay said. "I think Shanahan does a great job putting them in good situations, and he's distributing the ball to a variety of playmakers. ... He's definitely given them a spark, and they're playing really well. You even hear some of the comments that his teammates are making in terms of just the confidence that he instills based on the swagger and demeanor that he has. They've been playing really good football behind his leadership offensively."

Shanahan on the return of a rivalry: "I look at it as anybody in your division you are going to be pretty big rivals with wherever you are, and especially in the NFC West with the Rams and the Niners, it's been that way for a while," Shanahan said. "I think the hard rivals end up being usually who the better teams in the division are. I hope that we are up there as we get going; I know the Rams are there this year. ... Hopefully, that can build as we get going and we'll both be up there each year. The Niners and the Seahawks had that going for a while, and we'll see which teams start to do that now."


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If you ask me Jimmy Garoppolo looks like Mark Bulger.
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Good article! Always love a good rivalry, and our and the Whiners is one of the oldest.
 

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You forget that Gurley is only 23!! Damn!

Also, the Whiners can eat shit.
 

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I'm always going to love it when the whiners are terrible. But I gotta admit, with the Rams back in LA a renewed rivalry makes things pretty exciting. Its been a while since both teams were relevant. We know the Rams are back. Things are looking up for the whiners but they still haven't proven anything yet. But honestly, for me a rivalry with the whiners is more exciting than with the seahags. A lot of whiner fans here.
 

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The New Generation of Great NFL Quarterbacks Is Finally Here
We won’t see another group like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees ever again, but Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Deshaun Watson, and Carson Wentz will do just fine
By Kevin Clark

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Luck is often overlooked — in life, and in football. Fumbles are determined by luck. Clutch field goals probably are, too. And the same good fortune applies to the so-called golden generation of quarterbacks who rewrote — and still are rewriting — the record books.

Headlined by Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning, that group surpassed Dan Marino’s once-seemingly unassailable single-season passing yardage record from 1984 six times from 2011 to 2016. Aaron Rodgers, age 34, hasn’t done that yet but he might be the most talented of them all. The reasons this generation got lucky are innumerable: They hit their primes at the moment the NFL liberated passing rules in favor of the offense.

Most NFL defenses had zero clue how to adjust to these changes, and that ushered in a record-breaking passing era. In addition to that, these passers got more practice reps than the generation that followed because of the regulations put on practice time at nearly every level of the sport (a badly needed change for player health, but a negative one for the development of quarterbacks).

Brady and Co. were also products of an era when high school and college football schemes were more closely aligned with the pro game, which lessened the learning curve for young quarterbacks. Plus, compared to the offensive-line crisis of today, lines used to be better at keeping their quarterbacks upright.

For all those reasons, we will never see a group like this again. They enjoyed remarkable marriages with good offensive minds. Brady has or had Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels, and — don’t laugh — even Charlie Weis. Brees has Asshole Face. Manning had Tom Moore. Rodgers has Mike McCarthy — and even if you don’t like McCarthy, Rodgers has his own brain, which is almost unfair to begin with.

Since the game itself and the conditions surrounding it are so different, comparing the Manning generation to any future quarterbacks is nothing more than water-cooler talk — fun to chat about, but ultimately a pointless exercise with no real conclusion. You’ll keep arguing it until all of a sudden you are Dennis Rodman saying that the early-1990s Golden State Warriors were better than the current ones.

The next generation of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees quarterbacks is not coming. But you know what is? A generation that will be great in its own right and help usher in a new, more exciting era of football.

For all of the bad news to come out of the 2017 season, we’ve also learned that the NFL no longer lacks for good young quarterbacks. We’ve long known that Russell Wilson can make a game exciting on his own, and that Cam Newton can do the same when he’s on. But now they have some company. Jimmy Garoppolo’s four-start hot streak with San Francisco capped off a 15-month stretch in which we learned that Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, and Dak Prescott all have the ability to lead teams to great things.

If Monday Night Footballdoesn’t have its 2018 season-opening double-header as something like San Francisco–Green Bay and Philadelphia-Houston, I’m going to picket outside NFL headquarters at 345 Park Avenue.

DeAndre Hopkins’s incredible catch on Christmas night reminded me that Watson, who led Houston to 38 points in Seattle before Richard Sherman got hurt, is about nine months away from throwing to Hopkins again. Meanwhile, Garoppolo is still undefeated and just roasted a great Jacksonville defense. And Wentz was the presumptive MVPbefore his ACL injury this month.

It’s probably not a coincidence that a new era of young quarterbacks is emerging at the same time. Partly out of desperation, NFL teams had to figure out how to help their young signal-callers succeed despite the league’s general resistance to spread concepts and the reduced practice time. And so some franchises sold out to put their guys in a position to thrive.

Wentz’s supporting cast in 2016 was awful, and now the Eagles are spending $22 million on receivers this year — sixth most in the NFL. The Vikings’ offensive line was laughably bad in 2016; they retooled it, kept the talented wide receivers intact, and, in the process, helped develop Case Keenum into someone so good that Robert Mays asked me unironically on The Ringer NFL Show the other day if he should be in the MVP discussion. Keenum, at 29, is not young, but he’s a good example of how a good environment for a quarterback creates a good quarterback.

As the great quarterbacks of the early 2010s fade away, we will learn what we always should’ve known about football: coaching, defense, wide receivers, and offensive lines matter, too. Because of the sheer talent of the previous generation of quarterbacks, it often looked like those things didn’t matter — Manning was his own coaching staff, for instance, and threw the ball so quickly that he almost didn’t need an offensive line.

Brees frequently found what seemed like guys from local high schools and made them 1,000-yard receivers. Brady took so many disjointed teams and made them whole that it stopped being remarkable — but we should never forget it. Since the conditions that created those quarterbacks no longer exist, the era when a quarterback masks all the problems is likely over. But that doesn’t mean that the era of great quarterbacks is.

In his recent biography of Muhammad Ali, Ali: A Life, Jonathan Eig mentions that in the 1950s, boxing’s popularity was in a “steep decline” and that the pipeline of boxers to the top of the sport had sputtered after World War II. Yet, somehow, Muhammad Ali still came to be. The point is, there’s always talent coming. It’s what the sport does with the talent that matters.

It’s never a talent problem in the NFL; the league’s problem with some of the young quarterbacks has mostly been a problem with the NFL itself. Coaches want to huddle too often with a generation of quarterbacks who’ve never done that. They want to go under center to help the run game, when shotgun is a more comfortable situation for young quarterbacks. They want to criticize how college quarterbacks make quick play calls and look to the sideline for plays, rather than thinking of a way to take advantage of that.

It’s hard to look at some of the electrifying college players who don’t make it to the NFL and not think, “Hey, maybe a coach should have tried to find a way to let him do that in the pros, too.” On Tuesday, UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen made news by suggesting he’s more concerned with ending up on the right team rather than going as high as possible. Good for him. Situation matters. And thankfully, more teams are using the college ideas and focusing on what their quarterbacks can do, not what they can’t.

Just look at the case of Goff. He was not good enough to save Jeff Fisher, but he is good enough to lead one of the most exciting offenses in the league right now. Goff is as much a case study on the importance of coaching flexibility as anyone in football.

He had trouble with reads in his rookie year, so Sean McVay and Co. game-planned formations in which he could easily identify man coverage. Last month, it was reported that Goff gets audibles in his headset when the team gets to the line quickly. This is not dissimilar to college-style guidance in which quarterbacks look to the sideline for help.

Steve Jobs once said he was shameless about stealing good ideas. The NFL should look at college the same way. And yet, last fall, former Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley complained to me: “The college quarterback is a joystick, and the coach is playing the joystick.”

Goff’s situation is perfect now. Watson will get to pass to Hopkins when he returns. Wentz already showed us what he can do with talent around him. And Garoppolo won’t even get a full season under offensive guru Kyle Shanahan until 2018.

For that group of quarterbacks, the hype is here — and it’s totally justified in its own way.
 

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A little off the point of the article, but has anyone noticed the two running QB's out of those 4 went down with season ending injuries? Its nice to have a quarterback who can pick up key gains when the pass isn't there. But its nicer to have a quarterback who can play the whole season. I'll take a Jared Goff who's mobile enough to escape pressure and smart enough to throw it way and live to play another day.
 

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We won’t see another group like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees ever again,

how does this bozo know that? journalists are so irritating.

after a couple of seasons brady was seen as a game manager, rodgers was twiddling his thumbs on the packers sideline, manning was manning and brees was playing so well the chargers decided to use the #1 pick on a qb.

nobody has any idea how good this next crop of qbs can be, especially the nimrod who wrote that article.

Last month, it was reported that Goff gets audibles in his headset when the team gets to the line quickly.

and there it is. fuck you, you cocksucker. it's only been happening since headsets were introduced into the nfl. fucking DNA rifle.

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Love how SF is "revitalized" when they beat the Bears, Texans, Titans, and Jaguars.

When the Rams destroyed these types of teams (and also Jaguars...at their place no less) it was "oh well they haven't played a strong team yet."

It's so obvious media coverage has a boner for the shitbirds and SF and now they aren't even trying any more.

Can't wait until there's an article saying the Rams won the division by "default" (you know it's coming).