Is the NFL ready for yellow/red cards like they use in soccer, or a penalty box like in hockey?

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Roger Goodell wants two personal fouls to equal ejection
Posted by Darin Gantt on February 5, 2016

Among the topics he broached was that he wanted to create a rule which would call for a player with two personal fouls in the same game to be ejected.

Turning it into a yellow card/red card situation would create a deterrent, or at least keep things from spiraling out of control such happened several times this year.

One of the most obvious examples was the Panthers-Giants game in which Odell Beckham was flagged for spearing Panthers cornerback Josh Norman in the head, and that would lead to him being thrown out under such a rule.

The measure will have to go through the competition committee, but should be the kind of thing that has plenty of traction.
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Another idea for improving player behavior
Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2016

On Friday, Commissioner Roger Goodell proposed a soccer-style approach to ejections, with personal fouls becoming essentially yellow cards and two of them getting a player removed from the game. His comments prompted some to go back and research the situations involving players getting multiple personal fouls, calculating the increase in ejections that would have occurred in 2015.

But that assumes the officials would have thrown a second personal-foul penalty on a guy who already had one. For the same reason that officials are reluctant to eject players now, officials will be reluctant to give a player a second personal foul.

Goodell’s proposed formula also would require the league to take another look at the classification of penalties as personal fouls. Should a player be sent to the showers, for example, after a pair of dumb-luck inadvertent facemask grabs?

Another approach, borrowing not from soccer but from hockey, would entail putting the player in a de facto penalty box for a set period of time based on certain safety- or sportsmanship-related infractions. Illegal hit to the head or neck of a defenseless player? Taunting? Pushing and/or shoving and/or throwing a punch? The player exits for 10 or 15 minutes of clock time.

Whatever gets proposed to the Competition Committee, it won’t be easy to get 24 votes. Teams have been reluctant in the past to support aggressive efforts to remove players from the field.

Then there’s the question of whether the league really cares. Based on the way it marketed highlights of the Steelers-Bengals brouhaha on NFL Network, the league likes to have its consternation and flaunt it, too.

 

[BatteringRambo]

The yellow/red cards reminds me of only one thing ; Robin Williams - Off Broadway. :rolllaugh:

 

[DR RAM]

They should definitely do that.....


in the stupid Pro Bowl. Flags for everybody involved.

 

[RhodyRams]

They should start by making personal foul penalties reviewable first, then make a decision like red or yellow cards based on the review

 

[Mackeyser]

They can take a cue from basketball with their technical fouls.

One recognizes the foul or misbehavior.

The augmented technical gives an extra
Free Throw and possession.

The way the NFL could deal with it is to state that Personal Foul Ones where there is a clear rule violation, but not the intent to disrupt the game or injure the player (like unintentional face mask) would still be assessed at the 15 yards, but NOT count towards the ejection total.

A Personal Foul Two would be a personal foul with intent to injure another player or disrupt the game such as fighting, pulling players off the pile, touching a game official, launching, hitting a defenseless player, etc. A Personal Foul Two WOULD count towards ejection totals and at the Head Referee's discretion a single infraction could lead to ejection as it does now.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I don't know. I am fine with the way it is.

Just because ODell Beckham got stupid, doesn't mean we need new rules.

 

[OldSchool]

With not only the Panthers vs Giants but the last Steelers vs Bengals something is likely to happen with the next CBA. Especially if next year we have a couple games like it.

 

[rdlkgliders]

The yellow/red card system that soccer uses is truly the most evolved system. You don't have to physically copy that system but copy it in spirit with the equivalent. A serious foul becomes a warning 2 in one game become an automatic ejection and one game suspension. You could also do something where two serious fouls within a pre specified number of games equals an ejection.
I don't hate the system now but it is a little undefined example being the Clay Mathews hit on Foles, If the NFL implemented a system where all similar or identical infraction received the same punishment you wouldn't have the discussion like we did after that hit on Foles. Leaving the decision up to a committee that one time levees a $10,000 fine and next time for a similar infraction a $25,000 fine seems to be a little behind the times to me. The monetary penalty doesn't seem to affect the game or the players propensity to commit a foul at all.
Create a system where all egregious infractions of the same nature receive the same punishment and that they can lead to missed games when repeated, combined with other intolerable offenses or when they are so intolerable that they are deserving of immediate action.
A well defined rule and reaction schedule for these sort of fouls would be helpful leaving no doubt what the penalty may or should be.

 

[RaminExile]

I agree with CGI here. The game is a violent game. Violence is its essence. You can't take it out of the game and still call it'd football. That said there are rules for ejection that the refs have to do better enforcing. If they do they're job they eject Burfict and Beckham and there's no problem. Then don't eject players for accidentally touching a referee because they were gesticulating and the referee walks into their hand like how Chris Long got ejected a few years ago.

 

[rdlkgliders]

I don't know. I am fine with the way it is.

Just because ODell Beckham got stupid, doesn't mean we need new rules.

I agree with CGI here. The game is a violent game. Violence is its essence. You can't take it out of the game and still call it'd football. That said there are rules for ejection that the refs have to do better enforcing. If they do they're job they eject Burfict and Beckham and there's no problem. Then don't eject players for accidentally touching a referee because they were gesticulating and the referee walks into their hand like how Chris Long got ejected a few years ago.

I agree that we don't necessarily need new rules but we certainly need consistency in enforcing them. It has nothing to do with the violent nature of the game when played within the rules. It is when the rules are broken that we need consistent enforcement and subsequent penalties.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

No, no, and no

The last thing we need is more judgement calls in the refs hands thatyou're unable to review

Judgement calls already are a big mess, so then can you imagine a ref throwing Rodney McLeod out of the game for that deathly hit he doled out? I mean Brockers or Donald getting thrown out of the game for being a fraction of a second late???

Seriously refs in the premiere league get tons of shite for how they dispense yellow cards - I mean there are some questionable cards each week

Then there is flopping - imagine a player throwing themselves on the ground to pull a card and watch as he rolls around faking injury

Anyway - horrible idea

 

[rdlkgliders]

Yeah we should just keep the undefined arbitrary rulings, interpretations, judgments and penalties. They seem to be working