Yep, and that QB dude for New England
And you are aware of what the NFL doctors and personnel saw in his medical reports? Sorry man - but I don't buy that a TACKLE as talented as you claim to know he is slips THAT far. I don't care if you want to bring up players that slipped out of the top ten in years past. There are almost always reasons a player falls that far and others are picked higher than people expect. Sometimes it is simply a risk factor and yes - sometimes it is a mistake by the 32 teams.
Actually, I think some can. Regardless, there were enough concerns with Clemmings that no one felt comfortable slotting him anywhere near where you had him. And that is especially where it counts. Not with talking heads or the Mike Mayocks of the world but with people whose careers are at stake.
Yep, and that QB dude for New England
But your argument there isn't winning anything, both Watt and Quinn DID get drafted in R1, my comment was for a guy to drop from potential R1 to R4, there must be something there for ALL the teams to let him slide.
There are always going to be busts my friend, the Rams have had plenty of R1 picks go into oblivion. I just think that what the coaches have done is try and pick the right guys for the job. Complimentary skill sets. I mean you wouldn't pick the best 'round' guy if your need on the team is a 'square' guy.
I liked the Burfict pick btw. But there have been a few Rams picks that I've not liked. I think everyone knows how much I didn't like the Pead pick, and I still think he's a waste of a roster spot.
No but every team in the NFL does that and we can't? Predicting when a player you're targeting might be scarfed up by another team is a huge part in every team's drafting strategy. I don't see their record of successful prognostication as being any more accurate than ours.
Good points Memphis and all true. Plus, you can add to them the fact they're (NFL GMs/Coaches/scouts) probably all better than we are at guessing those things even without that extra knowledge. That doesn't mean he/we don't frequently get our projections right. Which was my point. Hard to have a conversation about what we thought of the draft without making those kinds projections isn't it? We managed to have a couple of very good looking/realistuic mock drafts even though we were under the same limitations you mentioned concerning round projections yes?Memphis Ram thinking one cancels the other:
We can.
But, every other team in the league at least has access to their original board, scouting reports, & game film. They have access to medical, background, psychological, intelligence, security and other reports/tests. They've looked these kids in the eye via one on one interviews and know what their coaches want in a player and have an idea of what some of the other teams coaches may want in a player via past experiences and interactions. They even have some access to what other teams might do via talking to the actual players.
We only have access to media draftniks websites that don't even have half that information yet will be quick to offer opinions on who was a reach or who was a steal based upon their draft boards.
Well Snead said that Mannion improved his release. Also do u think that his bad o line and lack of weapons didn't hurt him. He played better in 13 with Cooks. Chris wienke is good with Qbs he had to see something he thought he could work with to take him over Petty and Hundley. Havenstein did real well at senior bowl and held his own vs good pass rushers using his good technique. That raised his stock
Yeah I like this take. As I said yesterday I might feel better about the draft if they had more success in previous attempts to address the line. That doesn't mean I think the draft sucks it just means that my opinion is jaded based on previous results. Obviously we will have to wait and see but clearly everyone hopes the draft works out. Regardless of if you feel good, bad, or aren't sure how you feel about it like me.
I think the point is though, not that our draftniks can't do well with their projections and predictions. It is more when an amateur or some talking head lambastes the actual NFL evaluators for not picking their guy or drafting someone too soon. I get that people have their own boards or preferences on players. But I don't get acting like the team screwed up because they didn't do what the fans or talking heads thought they should. I'm fine with stating your case and all and then waiting to see if you're right. I just don't get acting like you know for sure before any of them even see the practice field.Good points Memphis and all true. Plus, you can add to them the fact they're (NFL GMs/Coaches/scouts) probably all better than we are at guessing those things even without that extra knowledge. That doesn't mean he/we don't frequently get our projections right. Which was my point. Hard to have a conversation about what we thought of the draft without making those kinds projections isn't it? We managed to have a couple of very good looking/realistuic mock drafts even though we were under the same limitations you mentioned concerning round projections yes?
I'm right there with you on all that Stu!
