I'm guessing Snead is safe?

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Next focal point for the Rams: What to do about G.M. position?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 12, 2017

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Now that the Rams have replaced Jeff Fisher with the youngest coach in NFL history, they have to make a decision about the team’s personnel function. Specifically, they need to decide whether to keep G.M. Les Snead.

As PFT recently explained, Snead’s status remains tenuous. It’s possible he stays and collaborates with McVay, who comes from the team whose tail Snead once twisted over the Robert Griffin III trade — a trade that ultimately failed as much for the Rams as it did for Washington.

It’s hard to imagine McVay having the juice to blow out the sitting G.M. on his way through the door. But it’s also possible that the coaching decision was made with the eventual G.M. decision in mind.

In many of these situations, wheels churn and gears grind behind the scenes. It would hardly be a surprise to learn that the Rams already know what they plan to do with the G.M. job, and that hiring McVay represents the first step in a two-part process that will result in replacements for both Fisher and Snead.

 

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[Corbin]

Which tells me the shit show of drafting upside on draft day was Fishers doing

 

[Mackeyser]

Which tells me the crap show of drafting upside on draft day was Fishers doing

That makes some sense. He felt he had all the security in the world, had supreme confidence in his coaches to coach up any amount of "rawness" and thus he seemed to want to go for the most upside.

I think guys like Havenstein were much more Les Snead's influence (49 starts in college) trying to get Fish to listen to the scouts about more than upside because lack of starts matter, e.g. GRob (19 starts).

 

[FRO]

Which tells me the crap show of drafting upside on draft day was Fishers doing

We'll find out for sure. I do believe Fisher gets scapegoated a lot on this board. Maybe he was responsible for everything wrong with the team. I tend to think it was a collaborative effort, but we'll soon find out.

 

[Corbin]

We'll find out for sure. I do believe Fisher gets scapegoated a lot on this board. Maybe he was responsible for everything wrong with the team. I tend to think it was a collaborative effort, but we'll soon find out.

Honestly I think it's what @Mackeyser states right above. Fisher just got to full of himself and thinking he could do anything with impunity.

Not saying he didn't get any picks that were his influence ( I think he was the deciding factor of Gurley) but guys like Robinson smells of him and the rest of the upside crew inside of drafting NFL ready product like Jake Matthews.

 

[Merlin]

We'll find out for sure. I do believe Fisher gets scapegoated a lot on this board. Maybe he was responsible for everything wrong with the team. I tend to think it was a collaborative effort, but we'll soon find out.

Fish had final say on everything. But he said it was a collaborative effort publicly. Was it? Or were the reports of the infighting, the Junior High comments relating to them jousting over personnel decisions? No way to know.

Only thing we do know is Fish expected to keep both CBs last offseason. Which isn't realistic, but watching Jenks play so well was extremely painful.

I would have fired Les, personally. But if he sticks around gonna root for him to raise the bar and get 'er done. I do expect some heads to roll beneath him, with the regional scout leads and whatnot, so we'll see.

 

[FRO]

Fish had final say on everything. But he said it was a collaborative effort publicly. Was it? Or were the reports of the infighting, the Junior High comments relating to them jousting over personnel decisions? No way to know.

Only thing we do know is Fish expected to keep both CBs last offseason. Which isn't realistic, but watching Jenks play so well was extremely painful.

I would have fired Les, personally. But if he sticks around gonna root for him to raise the bar and get 'er done. I do expect some heads to roll beneath him, with the regional scout leads and whatnot, so we'll see.

It is what it is now and maybe Snead was recommending top notch talent and Fisher rebuffed him. I don't know. I do know Quick was a Snead pick and he is the epitome of drafting raw/upside guys that have really bit the team in the rear. Have to hope for the best.

 

[Merlin]

It is what it is now and maybe Snead was recommending top notch talent and Fisher rebuffed him. I don't know. I do know Quick was a Snead pick and he is the epitome of drafting raw/upside guys that have really bit the team in the rear. Have to hope for the best.

Yeah the best would be Snead learning his lesson and going after guys with snaps and film that demonstrates what they want to see. Although ironically with the staff McVay is building I suspect some of those project types like Quick might have had different careers. But the Rams have some good young talent to develop right now in Goff, Gurley, Tavon, Higbee, and Cooper. And I expect them to significantly improve as long as they get the line right.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Why have the GM help decide who the HC is and in turn have the HC decide if the GM stays?

Why are you assuming this was the case?
As i've opined already, no way would Les have allowed himself to be put in that position between the firing of Fisher and the hiring of the new HC. I believe once Fisher was fired, Kroenke/Demoff evaluated Snead(using inside info we're not privy to) in relation to the Fisher/Snead engine of the past 5 years and made the decision prior to hiring a new HC that Snead was going to be a part of the front office regardless. That just makes logical sense to me.

 

[FRO]

Why are you assuming this was the case?
As i've opined already, no way would Les have allowed himself to be put in that position between the firing of Fisher and the hiring of the new HC. I believe once Fisher was fired, Kroenke/Demoff evaluated Snead(using inside info we're not privy to) in relation to the Fisher/Snead engine of the past 5 years and made the decision prior to hiring a new HC that Snead was going to be a part of the front office regardless. That just makes logical sense to me.

I was just going off of reports saying that Snead's job was dependent on who was HC.

 

[dieterbrock]

I was just going off of reports saying that Snead's job was dependent on who was HC.

Which of course those reports were merely opinions from media not from the team itself.
That said, wasn't it odd how well composed and polished McVay appeared at his press conference, and that he didn't include Snead in his "gratitude list"? He mentioned Snead later but surely thanked Kroenke and Demoff ad nauseum.
Also Snead looked incredibly awkward at the presser IMO.
I get he's around for 2017 but I'm guessing he's on very thin ice

 

[wmc540]

Snead looks and sounds incredibly awkward no matter where he is though.

 

[12intheBox]

If the new coaching staff comes in and turns Goff, Tavon, and G Rob into superstars - then not only would Les be safe - he would be vindicated.

 

[FRO]

Which of course those reports were merely opinions from media not from the team itself.
That said, wasn't it odd how well composed and polished McVay appeared at his press conference, and that he didn't include Snead in his "gratitude list"? He mentioned Snead later but surely thanked Kroenke and Demoff ad nauseum.
Also Snead looked incredibly awkward at the presser IMO.
I get he's around for 2017 but I'm guessing he's on very thin ice

If he is truly on thin ice they should have canned him because if that thin ice breaks you will need to get another GM. The GM candidates may not want to join a situation where they didn't get to pick the coach. My guess is the media reports were all speculation and Snead is on solid ground. Otherwise the Rams didn't play their hand correctly.

 

[FRO]

If the new coaching staff comes in and turns Goff, Tavon, and G Rob into superstars - then not only would Les be safe - he would be vindicated.

I think this whole idea that the talent is there but the coaching was so bad it made the players look well below average is a farce. Coaching will improve players, but Fisher wasn't making Austin run poor routes or causing Robinson to hold everybody. These are professional players who should be working on their craft independent of coaching. It's not like Austin wasn't that good solely because they weren't using him correctly. A lot of it is on him.

 

[Warner4Prez]

I'm still in the camp that says Snead has done his job and done it pretty well. Maybe I'm not up on the machinations of how the front office structure works, but I'm assuming Fish had his own scouting staff, as will McVay.

If that's the case, the GM's job is to make moves and put the team in position to grab players the coach and scouts have identified as ideal targets. Snead has done an excellent job doing that.

But like I said, I could be wrong.

 

[PhillyRam]

I think it is logical to state that Fisher likely had more impact on the 1st-3rd rounds and Snead and his scouts had more influence on later picks where its less likely Fisher would have followed those types players as closely....although he pushed for Alexander, although Snead and the scouts would have had to make him aware of Alexander in the 1st place.

Having said that, I think Snead did well finding late picks and UDFA's that could contribute. Certainly more than the last regime's have in STL.

So I am glad they kept him and interested in how he does with McVay.

 

[12intheBox]

I think this whole idea that the talent is there but the coaching was so bad it made the players look well below average is a farce. Coaching will improve players, but Fisher wasn't making Austin run poor routes or causing Robinson to hold everybody. These are professional players who should be working on their craft independent of coaching. It's not like Austin wasn't that good solely because they weren't using him correctly. A lot of it is on him.

I think scheme is half the battle all by itself. When Tavon gets in space with the ball he makes things happen. Scheme is how you make that happen.

Running poor routes can be on the player and it can be on the coach - we know certain coaches out there tend to have more disciplined route trees demonstrated on the field than others - and that isn't simply because they happened to have the right players. They demand it.

But more than just emphasizing the details - which is needed - a working scheme could make all the difference in the world for a guy like Tavon.

On Robinson - honestly I didn't see him hold all that much more than every other tackle in the league - I saw him targeted. Sure, he would have a panic hold from time to time but I think that he can still be really good if he is coached up. We all know he works on his craft outside of coaching - we know he cares - a workable scheme (especially in the run game) could do wonders for him as well.

I really think the offensive coaching has been that bad - so bad that even Gurley looked like crap in the system (and he did).

 

[Mojo Ram]

I'm still in the camp that says Snead has done his job and done it pretty well. Maybe I'm not up on the machinations of how the front office structure works, but I'm assuming Fish had his own scouting staff, as will McVay.

If that's the case, the GM's job is to make moves and put the team in position to grab players the coach and scouts have identified as ideal targets. Snead has done an excellent job doing that.

But like I said, I could be wrong.

I agree and i'd be beating a dead horse in explaining why so i'll simply spur the horse one more time...

Fisher and his coaches were fired minus Fassell(special teams), GW already has another job(defense). Snead is still here(scouting/drafting).
Rams hired an offensive mind.

The offensive coaching was terrible.