Hypothetical: "trading up" trade suggestions

[NERamsFan]

Hey gang,

With the NFL draft almost upon us, let's have some fun and throw out some trade scenarios to move up into the first round. Part of this for me is to see what people are thinking and willing to offer to move to a certain pick or get a certain player.

Here is the NFL draft draft chart values (it goes without saying that other factors come into play when making trades i.e. Supply & demand), but it's a great reference:

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

I'll start off by suggesting a trade with MIA @22 (780 points) for our round 2 pick 5 selection (530 points), our 3rd round pick 69 selection (245 points) and next year's third or fourth to sweeten the deal. I realize the third pick may be a bit too much but I think we include it to close he deal. Maybe MIA throws in a fourth or fifth this year?

I see this happening bc McVay and Gase have a tremendous friendship, and several times this off season he has mentioned how much he has communicated with Gase about being a first time HC and all that comes with it. Also, rumors were swirling that we were touching base with MIA about Tru (legit or not) so I think draft day communication could be a real possibility.

"And with the 22nd pick of the NFL draft, the Los Angelos Rams select... FORREST LAMP"

https://goo.gl/images/yPP1hc

 

[Limey]

It's not into the first, but I wondered if we could trade Tru to Cleveland for their 3rd and 4th round picks. Cleveland could convert salary to signing bonus to use up some of their spare cap this year, to make him affordable to cap-poor teams, and then flip him to NO for their 2nd round pick. We could then trade Cleveland's 3rd back to them along with our comp 4th round pick for their later 2nd round pick. To summarise overall:

We trade Tru and our 4th round comp pick (141) for 2nd round pick no 52 and 4th round pick 108
Cleveland trades some salary, 2nd round pick 52 and 4th round pick 108 for 2nd round pick 42 and 4th round pick 141
NO trades 2nd round pick 42 for Tru on a reasonable salary.

NO are in "win now" while they still have Brees, so prefer Tru to a pick. We get the 2nd round pick we wanted for Tru and move up in the 4th. Cleveland uses some cap space and gets a more valuable 2nd round pick than they had before.

If that favours us too much, maybe we don't exchange 4th round picks, and Cleveland moves up 10 spots in the 2nd round and we get a 2nd for Tru that we could spend on Kupp and still get Watt with no 37

 

[Merlin]

It has been my fear that Tru will be moved as part of a deal to move up. I hope that's not the case, prefer getting a pick for him and obviously of round 3 or higher IF they decide to move him. Otherwise just let him walk and take the round 3 comp pick next year.

Trading up I am ok with if they really covet a specific player, I mean if they did what you suggest and absolutely love Lamp in a weak OL class I'd get it. But personally I would not consider a move up because of the overall depth of this draft and the roster starting and depth needs. I'd be open to a move down, but then many teams will be in this draft.

If I'm the GM all I'm going to do is take the strengths afforded by this draft. At 37 take the best guy on the board who is not a RB or QB, period. This team has enough needs that I am going to be after a legit round 1 talent there, a guy with big upside and hopefully someone who has impact potential in year one. Snead has a lot to prove in this draft and hitting big on that pick will help offset the lack of a round 1 selection.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I mentioned a blockbuster type trade earlier in the off-season in a mock draft, and i'd still love to make it happen.

After Cleveland trades their #12 pick down to # 19 for an additional 2'nd rounder, the Rams Trade TruJo, Barron & our 4'th for the #19 pick & the rights to Josh Gordon. Greg Williams just solved his CB & WLB dilemma and McVay drafts TE David Njoku and gets his true #1 WR in Josh Gordon. McSnead will then draft the best CB on the board with our 2'nd round pick. jmo

 

[OldSchool]

IMO no we shouldn't trade up. The depth at some positions fit right into strengthening our roster. If anything I'd trade down from 37 to say 40-45 and pick up an extra 3rd. The talent we could add with that 3rd or 4th would be a great thing. That's not to say if there's a great talent that fell to 37 we shouldn't take it. But we could add some great talent in the 3rd round if we were to pick up an extra pick.

 

[Rocko]

Here's a scenario:

Rams trade Tru and Barron for Browns pick #33 2nd round (Tru), pick #65 3rd round (Barron), and pick #141 round 4 for the rights to Josh Gordon.
Rams then trade pick #37 round 2 (own), pick #69 round 3 (own), and #112 round 4 (own), for Tennessee's pick #18 round 1.
Rams then trade down their new pick #18 round 1 to Oakland for their pick #24 round 1, and Oakland's pick #56, round 2.

Rams Draft picks:

1. Round 1 #24 Forrest Lamp - OL
2. Round 2 #33 T.J. Watt - OLB
3. Round 2 #56 Kevin King or Adoree Jackson (if available) - CB
4. Round 3 #65 Evan Engram or Jake Butt (if available) - TE
5. Round 5 #149 Jon Toth - C
6. Round 6 #190 Eddie Vanderdoes - NT
7. Round 6 #206 Jose Reynolds - WR; or TJ Logan RB (if available)

With these picks, and the rights to Josh Gordon, we pretty much fill out some of our weaker areas, some new holes because of these recent trades I am proposing, and the team just gets a lot more athletic and competitive in the real near future.

 

[TexasRam]

Here's a scenario:

Rams trade Tru and Barron for Browns pick #33 2nd round (Tru), pick #65 3rd round (Barron), and pick #141 round 4 for the rights to Josh Gordon.
Rams then trade pick #37 round 2 (own), pick #69 round 3 (own), and #112 round 4 (own), for Tennessee's pick #18 round 1.
Rams then trade down their new pick #18 round 1 to Oakland for their pick #24 round 1, and Oakland's pick #56, round 2.

Rams Draft picks:

1. Round 1 #24 Forrest Lamp - OL
2. Round 2 #33 T.J. Watt - OLB
3. Round 2 #56 Kevin King or Adoree Jackson (if available) - CB
4. Round 3 #65 Evan Engram or Jake Butt (if available) - TE
5. Round 5 #149 Jon Toth - C
6. Round 6 #190 Eddie Vanderdoes - NT
7. Round 6 #206 Jose Reynolds - WR; or TJ Logan RB (if available)

With these picks, and the rights to Josh Gordon, we pretty much fill out some of our weaker areas, some new holes because of these recent trades I am proposing, and the team just gets a lot more athletic and competitive in the real near future.

Not a Scenario

 

[So Ram]

IMO no we shouldn't trade up. The depth at some positions fit right into strengthening our roster. If anything I'd trade down from 37 to say 40-45 and pick up an extra 3rd. The talent we could add with that 3rd or 4th would be a great thing. That's not to say if there's a great talent that fell to 37 we shouldn't take it. But we could add some great talent in the 3rd round if we were to pick up an extra pick.

This Evan Engram is the guy The Rams need . McVay is all about speed.

Trading Tru would be SILLY & not happening . Never say never for the right price though , but the last thing The Rams want to do right now is get younger !!!

Then add Josh GORDON !! It's WE not ME !!! The DRUGS must be flowing with the thought of HIM !!! A ME First Player !!

Best WR available . Running Back is a need !! I like Aaron Green & feel lucky The Rams didn't loose him. He shows up on film.
Brown is a big back , but it's hard to judge him with how bad the line played last season.
Lance Dunbar is only signed for 1 season !!!

Where is the depth ??

Gurley had knee surgey coming out of the draft & didn't even run for a 1,000 yards.

The Rams are not going offensive line unless it is a center guard. Kromer might have scouted a late round guy.

Trading back the 2nd rd pick & maybe moving up . It's about quality , not quantity . 3 day 2 picks would be great .

 

[jrry32]

I wouldn't trade up unless it's a favorable deal. Giving away our 3rd isn't a favorable deal imo.

 

[NERamsFan]

Very good concepts, guys! It's funny, count me in as someone who is also worried about depth big time on this team, but I'm of the opinion we should focus on quality over quantity with rookies and fill the remaining holes with the next wave of free agency towards latter part of training camp cuts, etc. we could use more veteran presences on cheap one year deals to fill remaining depth needs. Also, I don't think retaining Tru is detrimental to our plans. We have a strong group of cb's and I think Roby-Coleman was added as insurance and mindset that we will dump Tru at some point during draft. Webster and Gaines on outside, Roby-Coleman inside at slot and Joyner at safety with Mo. Then draft a couple of kids in later rounds that meet Wade's cb criteria, whether is size and speed or scheme fit etc. What falls in line with this logic has been the late round cb/safety visits we've been making too.

I honestly believe we are in for a ride in two weeks. Snead is gonna pull a Snead and make some moves, bank on it! That top screen ticker is going to shine "trade" in yellow with Rams on the clock at the end of round one, I just know it. :rockon::rockon:

 

[12intheBox]

I agree with those who have said in this draft trading down is better than up assuming chart value going both ways.

But .... if McVeed (trademark pending) falls in love with a guy - getting him in the first does give that 5th year option and for the right guy, I would get on board.

 

[Corbin]

I do not see us trading up in the first at all tbh. I know that's not the intention of this thread but I see no way this could be beneficial to the Rams.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Always trade down...

but hot damn, I like @Rocko idea...you must play that draft game, huh?

 

[OldSchool]

@flv Can we get an over/under on the number of trade for Josh Gordon threads we'll see before the start of the draft in 2 weeks please? Whatever it is put me down for one every other day so I'l start at 7.

 

[jrry32]

Very good concepts, guys! It's funny, count me in as someone who is also worried about depth big time on this team, but I'm of the opinion we should focus on quality over quantity with rookies and fill the remaining holes with the next wave of free agency towards latter part of training camp cuts, etc. we could use more veteran presences on cheap one year deals to fill remaining depth needs. Also, I don't think retaining Tru is detrimental to our plans. We have a strong group of cb's and I think Roby-Coleman was added as insurance and mindset that we will dump Tru at some point during draft. Webster and Gaines on outside, Roby-Coleman inside at slot and Joyner at safety with Mo. Then draft a couple of kids in later rounds that meet Wade's cb criteria, whether is size and speed or scheme fit etc. What falls in line with this logic has been the late round cb/safety visits we've been making too.

I honestly believe we are in for a ride in two weeks. Snead is gonna pull a Snead and make some moves, bank on it! That top screen ticker is going to shine "trade" in yellow with Rams on the clock at the end of round one, I just know it. :rockon::rockon:

Understandable, but if we trade our second and third, we're potentially losing out on two quality players to get one quality player.

 

[Rocko]

Always trade down...

but hot damn, I like @Rocko idea...you must play that draft game, huh?

Nah, just too much time in the restroom thinking about it. I put together another mock draft for the Rams that'll blow the lid off the last one.......

 

[NERamsFan]

Understandable, but if we trade our second and third, we're potentially losing out on two quality players to get one quality player.

I can certainly see the concern there, however a guy like Lamp, to me, outtrumps two solid picks. The guy is as sure a bet to be a perennial pro bowler as there is, why not go get him? Or say someone like Ross who looks to be legit also? And then we can package our two 4 fourths for a third possibly or sit pat and allow to two solid players to fall to us since this draft is so deep in mid round talent.

 

[jrry32]

I can certainly see the concern there, however a guy like Lamp, to me, outtrumps two solid picks. The guy is as sure a bet to be a perennial pro bowler as there is, why not go get him? Or say someone like Ross who looks to be legit also? And then we can package our two 4 fourths for a third possibly or sit pat and allow to two solid players to fall to us since this draft is so deep in mid round talent.

Because we have multiple positions that need filling and this is a very deep draft.

 

[Rams43]

It has been my fear that Tru will be moved as part of a deal to move up. I hope that's not the case, prefer getting a pick for him and obviously of round 3 or higher IF they decide to move him. Otherwise just let him walk and take the round 3 comp pick next year.

Trading up I am ok with if they really covet a specific player, I mean if they did what you suggest and absolutely love Lamp in a weak OL class I'd get it. But personally I would not consider a move up because of the overall depth of this draft and the roster starting and depth needs. I'd be open to a move down, but then many teams will be in this draft.

If I'm the GM all I'm going to do is take the strengths afforded by this draft. At 37 take the best guy on the board who is not a RB or QB, period. This team has enough needs that I am going to be after a legit round 1 talent there, a guy with big upside and hopefully someone who has impact potential in year one. Snead has a lot to prove in this draft and hitting big on that pick will help offset the lack of a round 1 selection.

Not to be nitpicky, Merlin, but the comp for Tru would come in '19, not in '18.

And that's only if our outgoing exceeded our incoming FA's. Not a sure thing anymore since Snead has been signing players to one year contracts in FA lately. Whole lotta churning goin' on.

I do fully agree with the rest of your post. DON"T trade up from #37. For anyone, including Lamp. This is the draft to let those gems fall to us through at least round 5.