How was Keenum allowed to play

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But why is no one clamorimg about the Ravens allowing Flacco to continue play with a torn MCL &ACL?
I don't think anyone knew it. Hell, I didn't even see him favoring his leg on that last drive.
It pretty much came as a shock to everyone when the news came out.

In contrast, everyone knew Keenum was rocked. Especially Foles, lol. He threw that helmet on like he was gonna storm Normandy.
 

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Just let it go. You've made your point.

Why do feel the need to attack my every post?

You are acting like you're the self proclaimed expert on this topic. I've never once said that I didn't think it was serious. I've made my point about how I don't think it warrants being a NATIONAL story.

If the intern doesn't make the comment to the media and it comes out that Keenum in fact passed the concussion protocol post game is wouldn't be a story.

That last sentence is where people keep disagreeing with you and that doesn't mean that they are attacking your posts. I think it's fine to say that maybe it was reported incorrectly after the fact, but I think most people believe he should have been yanked from the game based on the hit and his initial reaction to the hit.
 

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That last sentence is where people keep disagreeing with you and that doesn't mean that they are attacking your posts. I think it's fine to say that maybe it was reported incorrectly after the fact, but I think most people believe he should have been yanked from the game based on the hit and his initial reaction to the hit.
And my only point is they are all basing it off of what they saw on a tv broadcast.

None of us were there. None of us can say with any certainty that he suffered a concussion. Reggie Scott approached him during the break in action while they sorted out the penalties. It was determined by the Head Trainer he was ok to continue.

Now. If you want to argue the rule where he must leave the field for ine play if attended to by team personnel then let's put some of the blame on the officiating crew as well.
 

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I get it. But why is no one clamorimg about the Ravens allowing Flacco to continue play with a torn MCL &ACL?

Why are they not being chastised for allowing their franchise QB to risk his career by "sucking it up" and staying on the field?

I get it. Just pointing out the inconsistencies.
Not inconsistnt at all. The NFL isnt facing a gazillion dollar lawsuit regarding ACL injuries, nor is the sport from Pee-Wee to the pros changing everything they know about knee injuries like they've done regarding head injuries
So yeah, its not an injury thing, its a head injury thing
 

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So what you're saying is it's ok to treat the players like a piece of meat as long as it isn't the head.

It's ok that they may be crippled by the age of 45 but as long as they can still spell their name. It's all good.

Do we hold the lineman to the same standard. Because there are a whole lot more instances every single game where the get dinged and can barely understand the play call. But no one notices. They are allowed to remain on the field play after play.

Lets just puts flags on all the QBs and not hit them at all. It's a contact snd collision sport. They all know what they're signing up for. And for everyone of the guys who complain about the lawsuit factor there are a 1000 who wouldn't trade the opportunity to be a part of it.

It sounds like some people in here think a crime had been committed. He hit his head on the field. He was woozy. He cleared the cobwebs. Was examined by the trainer and was deemed ok to continue.

He apparently was put thru the protocol as a precaution post game and it's my understanding that he passed.

It's not the first player to play thru this and he certainly won't be the last.

I'm done responding. You guys continue on the soap box as you will.
 

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So what you're saying is it's ok to treat the players like a piece of meat as long as it isn't the head.

It's ok that they may be crippled by the age of 45 but as long as they can still spell their name. It's all good.

Do we hold the lineman to the same standard. Because there are a whole lot more instances every single game where the get dinged and can barely understand the play call. But no one notices. They are allowed to remain on the field play after play.

Lets just puts flags on all the QBs and not hit them at all. It's a contact snd collision sport. They all know what they're signing up for. And for everyone of the guys who complain about the lawsuit factor there are a 1000 who wouldn't trade the opportunity to be a part of it.

It sounds like some people in here think a crime had been committed. He hit his head on the field. He was woozy. He cleared the cobwebs. Was examined by the trainer and was deemed ok to continue.

He apparently was put thru the protocol as a precaution post game and it's my understanding that he passed.

It's not the first player to play thru this and he certainly won't be the last.

I'm done responding. You guys continue on the soap box as you will.

I saw a tweet that said Keenum was diagnosed with a concussion after the game. It's here somewhere, but I'm on mobile, ATM.

I think in this case, Reggie and the independent concussion specialist fucked up.
 

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Kind of reminds me of that game with Bulger where he got rocked at the end of the game and kept throwing balls short and nowhere near anyone. I think it was against the Saints, but I could be concussed.

...Nice. I see Case's concussion made CBS's national newscast.
 
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It sounds like some people in here think a crime had been committed. He hit his head on the field. He was woozy. He cleared the cobwebs. Was examined by the trainer and was deemed ok to continue.

He didn't clear the cobwebs. I wasn't sure after the next play because his passes were off all game. But on the fumble play he definitely wasn't himself because he was quick to get the hell out of the pocket whenever he felt the slightest bit of pressure. This time he just stood there. Oblivious to what was happening around him.

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He didn't clear the cobwebs. I wasn't sure after the next play because his passes were off all game. But on the fumble play he definitely wasn't himself because he was quick to get the hell out of the pocket whenever he felt the slightest bit of pressure. This time he just stood there. Oblivious to what was happening around him.

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So now we're mind readers too.

He made the proper read to Welker on the very next play. His accuracy not withstanding now we make the leap because he threw an incompletion it has to be because he was impaired.

The sack fumble came from his absolute blind side and happened very quick. How anyone can say it was because he was not right is a leap by any stretch.
 

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He didn't clear the cobwebs. I wasn't sure after the next play because his passes were off all game. But on the fumble play he definitely wasn't himself because he was quick to get the hell out of the pocket whenever he felt the slightest bit of pressure. This time he just stood there. Oblivious to what was happening around him.

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And only Case, and the trainer know that for sure. We can all speculate, and it seems as though there was a fail, but... This is all opinions. We don't know the facts.

IMO, if there was a fail, it was on the spotter, who's only job is to look for this. Just my opinion though.
 

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to me it seems everyone is in CYA mode right now

The official spotter says he didnt stop play because he saw Reggie Scott on the field with Keenum

Fisher says he was too caught up in game management and never saw anything

Scott says he asked Keenum a few questions and they were all answered correctly

Keenum just keeps saying "I like tacos"
 

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Fisher says he was unaware of Keenum concussion until after game
• By Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_dac36a61-393c-574c-854d-c4bd7c08e320.html

Rams coach Jeff Fisher was unaware that quarterback Case Keenum had experienced concussion symptoms until after Sunday’s 16-13 loss at Baltimore.

And had he known that Keenum was groggy after being dropped for a sack late in the fourth quarter, Fisher said, “Then Case would’ve been standing by me.”

Fisher said a glitch in the concussion protocol system resulted in Keenum remaining on the field for the Rams’ final two offensive plays of the game.

“I saw Case go down, but I didn’t see anything else that took place,” Fisher said Monday. “I didn’t see him struggle to get up. I didn’t see anything from my vantage point on the sideline as far as Case’s slow recovery. ... I was in the game management mode at that point, less than a minute left.”

On the play in question, the Rams faced a second-and-10 from their 41 with the score tied 13-13. Baltimore linebacker Elvis Dumervil jumped way offside, to the point where several players from both teams hesitated, anticipating that the play would be blown dead.

It wasn’t, and Baltimore defensive lineman Timmy Jernigan knifed through Rams blockers Tim Barnes and Cody Wichmann, dropping Keenum for a sack. Keenum released the ball as he was going down, but officials ruled that he was down. Had there not been a penalty, the play would’ve been ruled a sack.

While referee Tony Corrente’s crew was sorting through all this and enforcing the penalty, Keenum was slow getting up after the back of his head hit the turf at M&T Bank Stadium.

Keenum held his hands to the back of the his helmet for a couple of seconds, and then struggled momentarily when teammate Garrett Reynolds tried to help him up.

“So the officiating department didn’t see it,” Fisher said. “However, our head trainer (Reggie Scott) did go on the field, and he got out there and he spoke to Case. He questioned Case, and Case said he felt OK. And then our head trainer was instructed to leave the field by the officiating department.”

The other component to the issue involves the injury spotter in the press box — known as the ATC, which is short for athletic trainer certified. This is the first year that the injury spotter is allowed to intercede and call a medical timeout if he sees a player shaken up on the field.

But Fisher said the injury spotter didn’t call down immediately on Sunday after seeing Scott on the field checking out Keenum.

“His responsibility is to call down and notify the officiating department if he sees anything,” Fisher said. “Well, because he saw the head trainer on the field, he didn’t feel it was necessary to make the call. And then for whatever reason we went on with the two plays.”

After the penalty was marked off, Keenum threw incomplete to Wes Welker on the next play, and then on third down lost the football on a sack-fumble by Baltimore’s Courtney Upshaw with 54 seconds left. That turned out to be the Rams’ last offensive play of the game.

Baltimore carved out a first down on two runs by Javorius Allen, and then Justin Tucker kicked a game-winning 47-yard field goal as time expired.

Fisher said the injury spotter did call down to check on Keenum after the lost fumble, or when the Rams defense had gone back on the field.

So what could’ve been done differently?

“I don’t know in this case,” Fisher said. “Because under the current system, if the trainer goes on the field, then there’s no need for the ATC to call down and tell the officiating department there’s a problem. ... So we’ve got some moving parts, and again, it’s a new system.”

In 2012, the NFL added the independent athletic trainer certified as spotters, stationing them in the press box level at all games. This season, those injury spotters were given the power to call for a medical timeout in communication with the referee if the spotter noticed a player who might need medical assistance.

In fact, the first medical timeout under the new system took place late in the third quarter of the Rams’ Sept. 27 home game against Pittsburgh. Steelers cornerback Antwon Blake looked a little disoriented after tackling Rams running back Tre Mason.

The spotter buzzed referee John Hussey, a medical timeout was called, Blake was taken off the field and examined for a possible concussion. Blake was cleared and returned to action later in the game.

In addition to the injury spotter, there is an independent — or “unaffiliated” — neuro-trauma consultant on the sideline at all NFL games working with team physicians as part of the league’s concussion policy.

In the case of what happened in Baltimore, Fisher said, “You cannot under these circumstances place blame on anybody.”

The league issued a statement early Monday afternoon on the situation, saying it began a review immediately after the contest to determine why Keenum was not removed from the game.

“We are continuing that review today, which includes discussions with the Rams and their medical staff, the ATC spotter, the game officials, our medical advisors, and the NFLPA.

“In the meantime, prior to this week’s games we will reinforce with all involved the need to ensure that these injuries are properly identified and addressed in a manner consistent with our protocols.”

ESPN subsequently reported that the NFL and the NFL Players Association will conduct a conference call with head athletic trainers from each NFL team Tuesday to discuss concussion protocol in the wake of the Keenum incident.

Fisher said Keenum felt good Monday morning and will go through the necessary examinations and tests this week.

“Fortunately, Case felt really good this morning,” Fisher said. “He’s got a chance to practice this week and obviously play this weekend. So that’s the good news. The bad news is that we had an issue, an issue with everybody involved. And we gotta get it straightened out.”

If Keenum passes the concussion protocol, Fisher said he would start Sunday in Cincinnati. If not, Nick Foles would return to the lineup.
 

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I get it sympathize with your situation.

But not every hit to the head results in a life changing experience. I'm not in the least trying to minimize this. It something to be taken seriously. But IMO the league has gone overboard with feigned concern for player safety regarding concussions for one reason and one reason only. The lawsuit factor.

Trying to compare your circumstance as a youth player to someone who is among the best in their sport who are very well aware of the inherit risks of their chosen profession is an apples to oranges comparison.
Head injuries are a strange thing.
I have had a couple of concussions myself....minor ones. That is from my doctor at the time. Now, I do know plenty of people who say no concussion in minor....but, of course they are not all the same.
I agree with the opinion that the driving force for the NFLs concern regarding this is driven by lawyers and money....no shock there. But, Coach O brings up a valid about the seeming hypocritical nature of the policy/approach/flags/fines ect. with the NFL and its players. Lineman are hitting their heads and getting hit in the head multiple times a game with no flag or concern, a QB gets an open hand brush his helmet and he draws a flag. As usual, what is being pushed is not the full picture. Just like PEDs, drug policy and pain killers.
I have known guys who boxed for years with little or no noticeable impact. That does not mean they did not have issues. I have known a kid who boxed Golden Gloves and was very good. By the time he was 16 he was displaying the "slow blink" many boxers with head trauma show. He was doing fine in school and was speaking fine, but, I damned near begged his father to take him to a neurologist, which he never did to my knowledge.
My point is the experience and effects can vary vastly form person to person.
I have seen guys (in fact it happened to me before) get knocked out for a couple of seconds and be fine....not so much as a head ache. There are of course guys that end up with long term affects. This variance is partly what makes this stuff so scary....it is a bit of a mystery.
 

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to me it seems everyone is in CYA mode right now

The official spotter says he didnt stop play because he saw Reggie Scott on the field with Keenum

Fisher says he was too caught up in game management and never saw anything

Scott says he asked Keenum a few questions and they were all answered correctly

Keenum just keeps saying "I like tacos"
agreed

Do we know how Case tested today (Monday)?
 

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The sack fumble came from his absolute blind side and happened very quick. How anyone can say it was because he was not right is a leap by any stretch.

This is true. GRob blocked air and the DE got near Keenum very quick. Keenum had no time to sense the pressure.
 

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flv wondering if it's genetic:
2nd wedding?

Keenum was a mixture of good and bad early on. He got worse as the game progressed.
Both of my sons are on their 2nd and I'm on my third (and last). All we Freemans have is our good looks.:(:puke::LOL:

Judging by their performances in TC and the preseason I thought there was a significant drop off after Foles. Doesn't really matter with our O-line though.:eek: Another lost season.:cry:
 

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I saw a tweet that said Keenum was diagnosed with a concussion after the game. It's here somewhere, but I'm on mobile, ATM.

I think in this case, Reggie and the independent concussion specialist freaked up.

Given the "heat that was generated, Regardless of whether he passed the protocol Sunday after the game, the NFL was gonna make sure he was in the Protocol on Monday.
 

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I heard Wes Welker took a look at him and said Keenum was fine.
Of course he also said that he saw a rainbow unicorn chasing a polka dot elephant across the field, so there's that too