I swear I think Fisher found one of Ray Malavasi's playbooks and is using it. You cannot be successful throwing to the sidelines all night 5 yards down field. Is it the offense or is it Keenums lack of arm? It's the 3rd quarter and it looks sickening. Just stupid. My god....say it's only game 1, but offensively we look EXACTLY like last season. New OC ? Same playbook.....
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It's bullshit. Nothing wrong with horizontal plays in appropriate doses. With Tavon they can actually be quite productive. But it's our entire playbook. Just sickening. Hopefully we just fire the entire coaching staff along with Fisher. Blow it all up.
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The common thread thru all the OCs, assistant passing game coaches, whatever, is Fisher. Fisher believes in Martyball, the blend of power running and horizontal passing that was able to have good regular season success but always failed against better teams in the playoffs. So from the start it's a losing philosophy. Then you add that the gimmick of the west coast offense has mostly died out and now the most successful teams in the NFL mix their short passing with vertical pressure on a defense.
I am a Pac12 hater and never particularly liked Goff due to the air raid offense and bad defenses he faced in college, but nevertheless I was downright giddy when the Rams traded the farm to move up to take him. Because more than Goff himself, it seemed to be a clear signal -- combined with hiring Groh with his Gase background -- that maybe, just maybe, Fisher had changed his ways and was willing to entertain a more vertical concept. A terrible rookie making mistake after mistake but at least trying to push the ball downfield was going to be a 1000% improvement over awful Keenum employing Fisherball's ceiling of 7-9, because the vertical threat would open up the entire offense for Gurley and the short passing to be that much better.
Then when it became clear that the "Keenum's our starter" thing was more than just a stupid "earn it" motivational game by Fisher, the reality was a slap in the face. It has nothing to do with Keenum, because everyone knew what he is -- it was the signal that Fisher isn't going to change his stripes. Settling on a "game manager" QB because there's no better option and still maintaining you can win with him is admirable. *Wanting* a "game manager" QB because that's your preferred offense philosophy is simply inexcusable, and Fisher has run out of excuses.
I am a Pac12 hater and never particularly liked Goff due to the air raid offense and bad defenses he faced in college, but nevertheless I was downright giddy when the Rams traded the farm to move up to take him. Because more than Goff himself, it seemed to be a clear signal -- combined with hiring Groh with his Gase background -- that maybe, just maybe, Fisher had changed his ways and was willing to entertain a more vertical concept. A terrible rookie making mistake after mistake but at least trying to push the ball downfield was going to be a 1000% improvement over awful Keenum employing Fisherball's ceiling of 7-9, because the vertical threat would open up the entire offense for Gurley and the short passing to be that much better.
Then when it became clear that the "Keenum's our starter" thing was more than just a stupid "earn it" motivational game by Fisher, the reality was a slap in the face. It has nothing to do with Keenum, because everyone knew what he is -- it was the signal that Fisher isn't going to change his stripes. Settling on a "game manager" QB because there's no better option and still maintaining you can win with him is admirable. *Wanting* a "game manager" QB because that's your preferred offense philosophy is simply inexcusable, and Fisher has run out of excuses.
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At least Austin Davis could anticipate where to throw the ball to make up for his lack of arm strength, Keenum throws to the sideline, but doesnt have the arm to throw towards the sideline and up the field. How many games is Fisher gonna throw away before inserting the QB of the future? I'm not sure the team has confidence in Keenum after tonight.
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It starts with the OC and the gameplanning. But that said a good QB would be telling the OC or even if necessary the WRs in the huddle to run some effin slants, posts, or go routes to stretch the defense vertically. Both the OC and the QB share that failure.
Keenum ran from pressure on his first pass attempt, this is the man Fisher chose to run this offense. I knew that defenses would sit on the outside short routes looking for a pick six and stacking the box. I don't know crap about football but I knew this was going to happen. Well I didn't know it could be this bad actually, but. Any bets on what the game plan of the Seabirds will be, any guess that they will stack the box and sit on the short sideline passes. It looks like Keenum was throwing a helium filled balloon and not a football tonight.
Fisher is going to change the offenses game plan next week, no more lateral throws, only backward passes, that will fool everyone.
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That's essentially my point this off-season. And with the unlikely chance Fisher gets fired unless there is a spate of these blowouts... Jared Goff doesn't solve anything. Well, he can't fix the broken scheme or change who Fisher is. At least Wentz was a more complete product.
It's like going to the grocery store.
Fisher is like the parent who you KNOW ISN'T going to cook. Does it make more sense to buy the organic, free range chicken (Goff)? Or to get the Rotisserie chicken from the deli(Wentz)? In a chef's hands, that organic chicken, I'm certain could be AMAZING. Problem is...we don't have a chef.... Which leaves us with the likelihood of raw chicken for dinner. Mmm, salmonella...
We thought we could make due with the leftovers, but...seems they went bad. And for whatever reason, we can't have the Mannion patties. Guess we're saving them for company...
Maybe we'll get lucky, that chicken will get thrown on the grill and turn out great. But ask yourself...how often do bad cooks cook good food??? And just because they blow the budget on expensive, better quality ingredients, does that make them better chefs???
If Fisher were a chef or even a mom or dad deserving dinner, what got served last night not only wasn't edible, I'm pretty sure it was dangerous to one's physical, mental and emotional well being.
This isn't even about the QBs or the OL anymore... This scheme is moribund and I'm not sure Superman could save it.