Hammond: Rams experimenting with players in different spots

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Better hands then who? As many balls he dropped that touch down he dropped last year and I tink this year
Than Higbee.
Looking at his career drop numbers they are not that bad. He has been a part of the passing game and is usually reliable. Higbee is coming around slowly but thus far has been largely lost. His blocking has been terrible until the last week or so. He is getting better.
 

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Too bad Wichmann hasn't worked his way up at Center, i'd have liked to seen :

LT) Saffold
LG) GRob
C) Wichmann
RG) Brown
RT) Havenstein
 

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We'll see what happens. If I recall in 2013, putting Saffold at guard did wonders for our O-line. As critical as I am with shuffling the O-line, if they turn out to be cohesive, I'll be all for it. Just hoping it doesn't get Goff killed in the process.
 

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I'll say this... when I see a flag thrown on the offense, before I even know what happened... I automatically scream out "# 73!". I won't repeat what I say after.

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kind of like ol Alex "cement head" Barron... just how many false starts did he have in a season?

pretty sure he lead the league in holding penalties one year also
 

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If Fisher makes all the draft and roster choices then you have to credit him for Donald, Gurley, Brockers, Ogletree, ect. My point is you can't blame Fisher for the draft misses and praise Snead for the successes. Either Fisher gets credited for both, Snead gets credited for both, or both get credited for both. Since I do not know who makes the picks I place blame/credit on both Fisher and Snead and believe they both should go.

And inadvertently, you have just made my point.

I will certainly give Fisher credit for those draft choices, particularly the defensive ones who have virtually all lived up to their draft status. And no, nobody is crediting Snead for hits and blaming Fisher for misses. Rather, we are blaming Fisher for the absolutely abysmal coaching job done on the offensive side of the ball, as evidenced by the Rams O being at or near the bottom of the league in virtually every meaningful offensive statistic. And they are in that sorry state with the players that Fisher wanted.

So how the hell is that Snead's fault? What has happened on the defensive side of the ball has proven that he and the scouting department can scout players according to the philosophy of the head coach, bring them in and turn them over to coaches who make the most of them. So why isn't that happening with the players on the offensive side of the ball? Because the coaching on that side of the ball sucks, and because the overarching philosophy of our head coach with regard to offense is not working.

And what of some of the non-premium draft picks? EJ Gaines ... 6th round. Mo Alexander ... 4th round. TruJo ... 3rd round. TJ McDonald ... 3rd round. All starters, all scouted by Snead and Co. Some of the backups ... Ethan Westbrooks, UDFA ... Josh Forrest, 6th round ... and so on. Fisher doesn't do the scouting during the season, he simply doesn't have time. Snead and his scouting department do that, and they are the ones that do that, and I just listed 4 defensive starters. Fisher may make the final call, but Snead is the one who finds the players and tells Fisher who's available. Given what we see on the defense, it's hard to argue that he hasn't done a good job, but the catch is, as always, our defense is extremely well coached. The polar opposite is true for the offense.

I'll give you one more example to illustrate the point - Sam Bradford. Snead had absolutely nothing to do with the acquisition of Sam. Fisher had plenty to do with how Sam was coached while he was still here. And was he coached to push the ball down the field, was he coached to take chances with the ball to try to make things happen? No. He was coached to check down, he was coached to play it safe, he was coached to minimize mistakes at the expense of taking a chance to make a play. Not one iota of the way Sam was coached in the time he was here can be laid at Snead's feet. And yet, under Fisher, Sam underperformed prior to his ACL making his tenure here moot.

If you want to know what a mediocre GM looks like, one who deserved to get fired, just look at Snead's predecessor, Bill Devaney. He rarely hit on any draft pick after the second round, and hit on virtually nobody, save for Eugene Sims (2010, 6th round) after the 3rd.

You can say Snead is not blameless, fine, but the lions share of the blame for the offensive failures on this team goes to Fisher and the offensive staff that he's hired. They have been given the players that Fisher wanted - including a marquee RB in Todd Gurley - and they are failing miserably.

I don't know what Stan's plans are with regard to those two, but getting rid of Snead along with Fisher is, IMO, just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 

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And inadvertently, you have just made my point.

I will certainly give Fisher credit for those draft choices, particularly the defensive ones who have virtually all lived up to their draft status. And no, nobody is crediting Snead for hits and blaming Fisher for misses. Rather, we are blaming Fisher for the absolutely abysmal coaching job done on the offensive side of the ball, as evidenced by the Rams O being at or near the bottom of the league in virtually every meaningful offensive statistic. And they are in that sorry state with the players that Fisher wanted.

So how the hell is that Snead's fault? What has happened on the defensive side of the ball has proven that he and the scouting department can scout players according to the philosophy of the head coach, bring them in and turn them over to coaches who make the most of them. So why isn't that happening with the players on the offensive side of the ball? Because the coaching on that side of the ball sucks, and because the overarching philosophy of our head coach with regard to offense is not working.

And what of some of the non-premium draft picks? EJ Gaines ... 6th round. Mo Alexander ... 4th round. TruJo ... 3rd round. TJ McDonald ... 3rd round. All starters, all scouted by Snead and Co. Some of the backups ... Ethan Westbrooks, UDFA ... Josh Forrest, 6th round ... and so on. Fisher doesn't do the scouting during the season, he simply doesn't have time. Snead and his scouting department do that, and they are the ones that do that, and I just listed 4 defensive starters. Fisher may make the final call, but Snead is the one who finds the players and tells Fisher who's available. Given what we see on the defense, it's hard to argue that he hasn't done a good job, but the catch is, as always, our defense is extremely well coached. The polar opposite is true for the offense.

I'll give you one more example to illustrate the point - Sam Bradford. Snead had absolutely nothing to do with the acquisition of Sam. Fisher had plenty to do with how Sam was coached while he was still here. And was he coached to push the ball down the field, was he coached to take chances with the ball to try to make things happen? No. He was coached to check down, he was coached to play it safe, he was coached to minimize mistakes at the expense of taking a chance to make a play. Not one iota of the way Sam was coached in the time he was here can be laid at Snead's feet. And yet, under Fisher, Sam underperformed prior to his ACL making his tenure here moot.

If you want to know what a mediocre GM looks like, one who deserved to get fired, just look at Snead's predecessor, Bill Devaney. He rarely hit on any draft pick after the second round, and hit on virtually nobody, save for Eugene Sims (2010, 6th round) after the 3rd.

You can say Snead is not blameless, fine, but the lions share of the blame for the offensive failures on this team goes to Fisher and the offensive staff that he's hired. They have been given the players that Fisher wanted - including a marquee RB in Todd Gurley - and they are failing miserably.

I don't know what Stan's plans are with regard to those two, but getting rid of Snead along with Fisher is, IMO, just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I agree Fisher deserves the lions share of the blame. I am in no way sticking up for him. Outside of Cunningham I can't think of one offensive player that has progressed under Fisher. That being said 12 top 100 picks and 4 top 10 picks were used on offensive players. The offense still sucks. Snead deserves blame for that along with Fisher. It all goes hand in hand. I just see people give Snead a free pass when he doesn't deserve it. He has had more premium picks than most GMs do and the offensive talent is still way below average.
 

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Of course experimenting at practice might be similar to being "lights out" in practice...Meaning that we might not see it in a game...
 

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I think switching out a few starters on offense isn't a bad idea. The team needs to do something different on offense.

I just don't get as worked up about GRob as some. He needs to do better, and the untimely penalties need to stop...

But if I were to prioritize the biggest opportunities to have meaningful impact, GRob's play is much further down the list.
 

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Yeah, I don't see it either... unless it's just a game or two to light fires under asses.
 

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Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.:deadhorse:
 

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If anyone thinks Greg Robinson is what is holding this offense back, as oppose to Jeff Fisher and our coaching/scheme, they haven't been watching the Rams. Our problems run much deeper than our LT - who, first the first time in his career I might add, has been playing decent football IMO. Still not worth the #2 overall pick though.
Agree with every bit of this.
 

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I'd like to see the 2 rookie TE's take over.
Hmmm...I don't think Higbee has shown he's ready...

I do think Harkey & Hemingway need to see the field more...They do block the best. Higbee & Kendricks are not the sure handed TE types that succeed in today's NFL.

If you wanted to go with a LT at 2 overall you would have went with Matthews because he was the better football player.
Better then? As an overall power blocker, I don't think Matthews has ever been near Greg as far as ability. Not now, not then.

LT) G-Rob
LG) Saffold
C) Wichmann
RG) Brown
RT) Havenstein
fixed it
 

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Hmmm...I don't think Higbee has shown he's ready...

I do think Harkey & Hemingway need to see the field more...They do block the best. Higbee & Kendricks are not the sure handed TE types that succeed in today's NFL.

Better then? As an overall power blocker, I don't think Matthews has ever been near Greg as far as ability. Not now, not then.

fixed it
Robinson was a road grader when it came to run blocking. When it comes to overall game Matthews was better hands down.
 

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I find it very hard to believe that a GM and his entire scouting department has the ability to scout, identify, maneuver and draft ONLY quality defensive players. It's a bit of a ridiculous notion. Snead and his crew have done a fine job. EVERY team busts on a few picks. Most teams are lucky if they get more than 1 or 2 guys to stick in any given draft. Look around the league over the past 4-5 years at the other teams' drafts. Do some research.

It's the coaching and philosophy. More specifically the lack of coaching on the offensive side. The talent is there...same as the defense.
 

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I find it very hard to believe that a GM and his entire scouting department has the ability to scout, identify, maneuver and draft ONLY quality defensive players. It's a bit of a ridiculous notion. Snead and his crew have done a fine job. EVERY team busts on a few picks. Most teams are lucky if they get more than 1 or 2 guys to stick in any given draft. Look around the league over the past 4-5 years at the other teams' drafts. Do some research.

It's the coaching and philosophy. More specifically the lack of coaching on the offensive side. The talent is there...same as the defense.

A-(expletive)ing-men.

If we had exceptionally good coordinators on both sides of the ball, but one was still terrible while the other was excellent, then we might be able to say drafting.

We have an exceptionally good coaching on one side of the ball, and exceptionally bad (with the possible exception of Groh) on theo other side.