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Ah Crap, Goff To Start!!
Just saw it on twitter from Shefter.
@AdamSchefter
Jared Goff will make his first NFL start Sunday at home vs Miami Dolphins, per @mortreport. Goff tries to give Rams postseason push.
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Aw crap? This kid is an INT machine. Watched a game last year where he threw 5 picks. If you pressure him he's very careless with the ball.
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that could bring some juice to that Stadium but you guys should still win.
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The Rookie QB starting? I think that improves our chances to bait him into to some turnovers. Vance will have a plan to exploit him.
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The Fins defense should be licking their chops. Stop the run on first and second down and we may see another 4 interception game from the defense.
When I die I want to hire the Miami Dolphin's to be my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time.
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Well with our corners they must feel good about his chances. Our line though just needs to get to him often
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Will be up to Vance Joseph and his defense to rattle the rookie and force him into some mistakes.
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I'd rather face keenum
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Me too...the unknown QB's always kick our a$$...we have no tape on the rook so this now scares me....
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Eh, I'll take my chances against a rookie who has apparently looked terrible in practice.
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old Fins would make Goff break passing record for rookies
new Fins just might make him look like a rook starting his first NFL game
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Dolphins defense number one fantasy D of the week.
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This is good news. Move on to san Fran.
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Just blitz the crap out of rookies in their first game. See how they handle it. I'd say 80% of rookies can't handle the blitz
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I hope we can ruin his NFL debut.
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Prepare for easy throws and screens, especially early.....tackling is key!
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Oh great, we're screwed
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I'm sure Kroenke ordered Fisher to start him. On one hand, how bad must he be to not have replaced Case a few games ago, especially since a number of rookie QBs, including later round ones have been starting and impressing. So I'm encouraged there.
OTOH, no film on him, so our D is gonna have to fly blind.
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Lol at people scared of a rookie QB so ****ty he couldn't beat out Case Keenum.
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Ya I am not thrilled about this, I thought Keenum's film would've allowed us to prepare better.
Like a bunch of people know, we haven't faired that well against inexperienced QB's in the past so maybe that leaves a little bitter taste in my mouth. Normally you'd think a QB making his first career start is a good thing.
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I'm not to worried about it.
He was dominant in college so I doubt he's gonna be game one.
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Case Keenum is very bad, so the fact that Goff is an unknown is troubling.
Goff was poor in the preseason, but he was also working with the scrubs and he's had ten weeks to get more acclimated.
That said, from the Rams' point of view, this is NOT the front four you want to start the kid against.
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Damn that's all we need a is a rookie having his way with us.
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Regardless, he will bring a lot of energy to the team and to the fan base. Whether that is something that can be sustained for 60 minutes is another thing. I am sure there are a lot of players and personnel people in that building who want to get there future underway with and they can't really afford to wait any longer.
Considering the success that Wentz and Prescott are already displaying in their conference, they need to get some momentum going for themselves. They don't have a first round pick next year, (Titans are sitting pretty with Mariota, that OL, Derrick Henry and extra picks).
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I really see both sides in this situation. Yes, this should be great, a rookie who couldn't beat out
Case Keenum, going up against Wake, Suh and the gang. This is what rookie QB's nightmares are made of.
Yet, our track record with inexperienced or unknown QBs gives us all quite a scare. I mean we let freaking Thad Lewis beat us TWICE.
I think this game rides on the fact that we aren't the old Dolphins. If we have truly entered a new chapter of our history, then we should win 31-14 or somewhere around there, with quite a few mistakes/turnovers from the rookie.
If we revert back to the old Dolphins, I say we lose 20-17, with a key strip sack at the end.
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Boy I can see Wake and Suh, Branch and Mitchell salivating for this game.
I can hear Joseph scheming up some exotic defenses for Mr.Goff.
Can you say Gurley right, Gurley left, Gurley right, Gurley left, Gurley up the middle,,,,, a bubble screen to Tavon Austin. That is probably the sequence we will be seeing Sunday.
Keep up w the ultra aggressive defense Sunday, press their WRs, make Goff beat us!!!!!
J-Train Rolls On ^^^^^^^^^^^
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I was actually hoping for Keenum. This team has a knack for struggling against rookie QB's.
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I was thinking the same thing, but I gotta hope Joseph can confuse a rookie making his first start. Surely they will try to run it down our throats with him in there....run d coming around at the right time.
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Lets hope we take the screen game away. I am sure they will run heavy and try some easy throws.
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People are getting a little scared over a guy who maybe had the worst preseason of any QB I've ever seen.
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True, but Case Keenum was atrocious. Hard to imagine Goff could be worse.
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Far more concerned with stopping Gurley than Goff.
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In Miami's four game winning streak, they had to win against teams that had one of the best passers in football (Rivers), one of the best athletic QBs in Football (Taylor), one of the best all around, and a top 5 QB (Big Ben), and a QB that though very inconsistent, when he is on, can be as dangerous as those three (Fitzpatrick).
Though I agree having tape would be beneficial to our defense, he is a Rookie that could not start until now, and will be getting his 1st taste of regular season of football in the NFL. Bring the heat, and this is a good game for defense to start showing discipline, stop giving offenses free plays.
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One thing is for sure, Miami brings it up front defensively, period! Miami will be bringing the LUMBER Sunday. Goff will have fancy feet, eyes in the back of his head...............Because if he doesn't, he may very well be the 5th QB knocked out of game by this defense.
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Goff will be frazzled from the beginning. He will undoubtedly throw up a few to avoid a sack, right into the hands of our secondary. I'm really pumped for this game. I can't even fathom 6-4.
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Recipe for disaster getting ahead of yourself like that.... bad mistake. Good Record, bad record, rookie quarterback, veteran quarterback, good or bad team you can lose any given Sunday.
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Lets hope with Gase and Joseph the days of crappy and/or inexperienced QBs destroying the Dolphins are gone.
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Gotta stop the run and the short passing game. Hard to imagine they'll open it up downfield for him, especially with the reputation our DL has of putting other QB's on... well the DL.
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Here's why I'm skeered:
1. They will likely have a very conservative game plan (they probably would have anyway) where they ride Gurley and use Goff for easy quick throws.
2. I have no faith in our secondary. If anyone can block our front 4 (easier said than done) I expect ANY QB could have a big day.
3. Instilling energy into the Rams. This has been a long trip for Miami I hope we're not flat.
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The Lambs are in for a massacre. Way stupid on their part. Miami is going to kill him every chance they get. The Dolphins are also getting better at stopping the run. Once the Dolphins take the lead in the 1st Quarter. Bring heat from every possible way and kill him as much as they can.
The Dolphins are not a team to start a NFL career Mr. Goff, they may even ended it before it even starts. Stupid Lambs. Pain is coming over and over. Go Dolphins play 60 minutes and get a win.
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Will need to pressure him early on. Make him lose his confidence by making mistakes, throwing incompletions.
If he starts connecting passes, making plays and converting third downs, could be dangerous for us.
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I'm still not taking any team lightly regardless of QB. Rams have a good D.
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That makes me much more nervous than Keenum.....No game film, hard to plan for, etc
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Their offense was horrible with Keenum. Even with a potential easy day against Goff, they could not possibly be any worse with Goff at the helm.
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Well, the one disadvantage is that we have no regular season film on Goff, so we're not really sure what we're getting. Carson Wentz looked REALLY good in his first couple starts because the opposing team couldn't prepare for him. They didn't know his habits or what rattles him. Hopefully things will be different in this case.
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I'm 100% sure that regardless of who starts at QB for them we were going to see Gurley all day long. We need to play every team as if everything is on the line for us because it is at this point.
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Let's not get too confident. Carson Wentz looked amazing in his first couple starts because opposing teams had no real film on him and didn't know how to exploit his weaknesses. He came back to Earth once teams figured him out. Goff is a complete unknown to us. Hopefully we'll be able to frustrate him. I'm sure we'll see LOTS of runs.
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goff or keenum doesn't change much for us....both are stinkers who are going to have to do their damage dinkin and dunkin..........as long as you stop gurley neither of those kids are going to beat us......
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Gurley hasn't been spectacular this year either. I think tavon got hurt last week? Britt will be the biggest matchup problem probably
Our defense hasn't done awful against rb's so I think we can do okay against what should be their biggest weapon
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He may have to change his name from Jared Goff to Jack Goff after this game.
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I have a feeling we will see both Goff and Keenum play regardless of who starts.
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If he was halfway decent he would have been out there sooner. Desperation by the Rams but who knows how it'll work out.
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I think it's fair to say goff will play better football than keenum...now its unlikely he plays well week 1...hell even peyton mannings first start he struggled as a rookie
but yeah I'd take the unknown in goff any day over the known quantity on tape that is case keenum
he could provide a spark in that lockerroom
and let's face it this secondary is no bueno right now
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Would be my preference too. But it doesn't move the needle much. Both these guys are terrible and we have no excuses if Goff or Keenum beats us.
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I'm not too worried about Goff; I think he'll be a bust anyway.
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So this means he'll look like a veteran Peyton Manning in his first game...he'll beat us like a Thad Lewis...Rams fans will claim they've found their QB savior only to sh!t the bag in his second game.
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I bought the LA Times yesterday at the airport flying home and there was an article saying that now is the time to start Goff. Fischer was sticking to his guns saying he wasn't going to move away from Keenum. Something must've changed his mind. I don't think it matters who they start.
Obviously, Goff must not have been grasping things real quick going into the start of the season, but what choice does LA have? Keenum can't get their offense to score. Let's rough the kid up a little and see how he deals.
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Screens, dump offs to Gurley. He will probably have north of 25 touches. Hopefully the run D holds up.
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With Bobby McCain and Maxwell in the secondary, any WR can torch us.
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Good. Jared, Meet Cam...and Andre....It'll be Mr. Wake & Mr. Branch by the end of the afternoon.
Stop the run. Stop the 3 step Quick slants, outs Screens and make Goff beat you deep.
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Going to go back and watch the Ram's preseason games.
Edit: just watched the first drive of their game against Vikings. Several great throws by Goff.
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Time to bury this f'er into the turf. Everyone's gonna want to see Goff play. Time for the Dolphins D to show out.
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Classic trap game. Gurley is a stud and I hope we can contain him
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tavon Austin doesn't help the qb either with his suspect hands and small catch radius...seen more than a few picks cause of tavon from the rams this year
but he'll probably murder our slot
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I'm going back and forth on this because I did initially see it as a trap game although staying on the west coast for two weeks would lead me to believe they saw it as more of an extended business trip and not just another road game.
Goff playing does create a buzz and should make our players a little more in tuned with what they're responsibilities.
I want a nice solid win in which all 3 phases play well but I'll take a W anyway it comes so long as we are 6-4 on the plane ride back to Miami.
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It's always rough when you don't have film on the guy. The hope is, he's just not that good. Which there is a chance of, otherwise it'd be moronic that he wasn't already in the game, it's not like Keenum's been lighting it up.
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Games gonna have a story unwinding for both teams.
First look at Goff in live action....I expect him designed runs and short passes. Also, picks by Rambo playing olb position....
All that, within his first 2 drives.. Dont ask me why, though.
Vance Joseph is gonna throw sum funny looks at hin early to see where he's at. I expect it to be a long day for Goff. Defense is already on playoff mode. Ask Earl Mitchell. Also, Parker looks like he's ready for some seconds.
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Don't forget Mr. Suh; who probably has something to say to all the reporters calling Aaron Donald the best DT in the game.
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in college goff had a really good feel in a muddy pocket and very good active feet
we'll see but my guess is Miami will bait him into most his issues sunday
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I was at the Cal/UW game last yr in Seattle. He was 24/40 for 342. 2 TDs, 1 INT. I remember saying, he's a good player but gets rattled with pressure on him. Hard Knocks kind of showed that.
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Interesting turn of events for sure. My eyes lit up when I read Goff will make the start(not sure if thats a good thing or bad thing lol) . But hopefully our boys give him a very rude awakening on Sunday.
I think we'll win
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So of all the games to start this kid, Fisher circles us on the schedule.
Sounds like bulletin board fodder to me. I hope our D is pissed off.
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How many QBs have the fins knocked out of the game for any time so far this season-4?
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Goff's face when he see Wake coming off the end and Suh up the middle:
Ah Crap, Goff To Start!!
Just saw it on twitter from Shefter.
@AdamSchefter
Jared Goff will make his first NFL start Sunday at home vs Miami Dolphins, per @mortreport. Goff tries to give Rams postseason push.
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Aw crap? This kid is an INT machine. Watched a game last year where he threw 5 picks. If you pressure him he's very careless with the ball.
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that could bring some juice to that Stadium but you guys should still win.
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The Rookie QB starting? I think that improves our chances to bait him into to some turnovers. Vance will have a plan to exploit him.
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The Fins defense should be licking their chops. Stop the run on first and second down and we may see another 4 interception game from the defense.
When I die I want to hire the Miami Dolphin's to be my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time.
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Well with our corners they must feel good about his chances. Our line though just needs to get to him often
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Will be up to Vance Joseph and his defense to rattle the rookie and force him into some mistakes.
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I'd rather face keenum
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Me too...the unknown QB's always kick our a$$...we have no tape on the rook so this now scares me....
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Eh, I'll take my chances against a rookie who has apparently looked terrible in practice.
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old Fins would make Goff break passing record for rookies
new Fins just might make him look like a rook starting his first NFL game
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Dolphins defense number one fantasy D of the week.
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This is good news. Move on to san Fran.
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Just blitz the crap out of rookies in their first game. See how they handle it. I'd say 80% of rookies can't handle the blitz
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I hope we can ruin his NFL debut.
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Prepare for easy throws and screens, especially early.....tackling is key!
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Oh great, we're screwed
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I'm sure Kroenke ordered Fisher to start him. On one hand, how bad must he be to not have replaced Case a few games ago, especially since a number of rookie QBs, including later round ones have been starting and impressing. So I'm encouraged there.
OTOH, no film on him, so our D is gonna have to fly blind.
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Lol at people scared of a rookie QB so ****ty he couldn't beat out Case Keenum.
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Ya I am not thrilled about this, I thought Keenum's film would've allowed us to prepare better.
Like a bunch of people know, we haven't faired that well against inexperienced QB's in the past so maybe that leaves a little bitter taste in my mouth. Normally you'd think a QB making his first career start is a good thing.
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I'm not to worried about it.
He was dominant in college so I doubt he's gonna be game one.
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Case Keenum is very bad, so the fact that Goff is an unknown is troubling.
Goff was poor in the preseason, but he was also working with the scrubs and he's had ten weeks to get more acclimated.
That said, from the Rams' point of view, this is NOT the front four you want to start the kid against.
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Damn that's all we need a is a rookie having his way with us.
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Regardless, he will bring a lot of energy to the team and to the fan base. Whether that is something that can be sustained for 60 minutes is another thing. I am sure there are a lot of players and personnel people in that building who want to get there future underway with and they can't really afford to wait any longer.
Considering the success that Wentz and Prescott are already displaying in their conference, they need to get some momentum going for themselves. They don't have a first round pick next year, (Titans are sitting pretty with Mariota, that OL, Derrick Henry and extra picks).
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I really see both sides in this situation. Yes, this should be great, a rookie who couldn't beat out
Case Keenum, going up against Wake, Suh and the gang. This is what rookie QB's nightmares are made of.
Yet, our track record with inexperienced or unknown QBs gives us all quite a scare. I mean we let freaking Thad Lewis beat us TWICE.
I think this game rides on the fact that we aren't the old Dolphins. If we have truly entered a new chapter of our history, then we should win 31-14 or somewhere around there, with quite a few mistakes/turnovers from the rookie.
If we revert back to the old Dolphins, I say we lose 20-17, with a key strip sack at the end.
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Boy I can see Wake and Suh, Branch and Mitchell salivating for this game.
I can hear Joseph scheming up some exotic defenses for Mr.Goff.
Can you say Gurley right, Gurley left, Gurley right, Gurley left, Gurley up the middle,,,,, a bubble screen to Tavon Austin. That is probably the sequence we will be seeing Sunday.
Keep up w the ultra aggressive defense Sunday, press their WRs, make Goff beat us!!!!!
J-Train Rolls On ^^^^^^^^^^^
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I was actually hoping for Keenum. This team has a knack for struggling against rookie QB's.
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I was thinking the same thing, but I gotta hope Joseph can confuse a rookie making his first start. Surely they will try to run it down our throats with him in there....run d coming around at the right time.
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Lets hope we take the screen game away. I am sure they will run heavy and try some easy throws.
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People are getting a little scared over a guy who maybe had the worst preseason of any QB I've ever seen.
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True, but Case Keenum was atrocious. Hard to imagine Goff could be worse.
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Far more concerned with stopping Gurley than Goff.
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In Miami's four game winning streak, they had to win against teams that had one of the best passers in football (Rivers), one of the best athletic QBs in Football (Taylor), one of the best all around, and a top 5 QB (Big Ben), and a QB that though very inconsistent, when he is on, can be as dangerous as those three (Fitzpatrick).
Though I agree having tape would be beneficial to our defense, he is a Rookie that could not start until now, and will be getting his 1st taste of regular season of football in the NFL. Bring the heat, and this is a good game for defense to start showing discipline, stop giving offenses free plays.
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One thing is for sure, Miami brings it up front defensively, period! Miami will be bringing the LUMBER Sunday. Goff will have fancy feet, eyes in the back of his head...............Because if he doesn't, he may very well be the 5th QB knocked out of game by this defense.
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Goff will be frazzled from the beginning. He will undoubtedly throw up a few to avoid a sack, right into the hands of our secondary. I'm really pumped for this game. I can't even fathom 6-4.
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Recipe for disaster getting ahead of yourself like that.... bad mistake. Good Record, bad record, rookie quarterback, veteran quarterback, good or bad team you can lose any given Sunday.
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Lets hope with Gase and Joseph the days of crappy and/or inexperienced QBs destroying the Dolphins are gone.
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Gotta stop the run and the short passing game. Hard to imagine they'll open it up downfield for him, especially with the reputation our DL has of putting other QB's on... well the DL.
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Here's why I'm skeered:
1. They will likely have a very conservative game plan (they probably would have anyway) where they ride Gurley and use Goff for easy quick throws.
2. I have no faith in our secondary. If anyone can block our front 4 (easier said than done) I expect ANY QB could have a big day.
3. Instilling energy into the Rams. This has been a long trip for Miami I hope we're not flat.
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The Lambs are in for a massacre. Way stupid on their part. Miami is going to kill him every chance they get. The Dolphins are also getting better at stopping the run. Once the Dolphins take the lead in the 1st Quarter. Bring heat from every possible way and kill him as much as they can.
The Dolphins are not a team to start a NFL career Mr. Goff, they may even ended it before it even starts. Stupid Lambs. Pain is coming over and over. Go Dolphins play 60 minutes and get a win.
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Will need to pressure him early on. Make him lose his confidence by making mistakes, throwing incompletions.
If he starts connecting passes, making plays and converting third downs, could be dangerous for us.
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I'm still not taking any team lightly regardless of QB. Rams have a good D.
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That makes me much more nervous than Keenum.....No game film, hard to plan for, etc
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Their offense was horrible with Keenum. Even with a potential easy day against Goff, they could not possibly be any worse with Goff at the helm.
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Well, the one disadvantage is that we have no regular season film on Goff, so we're not really sure what we're getting. Carson Wentz looked REALLY good in his first couple starts because the opposing team couldn't prepare for him. They didn't know his habits or what rattles him. Hopefully things will be different in this case.
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I'm 100% sure that regardless of who starts at QB for them we were going to see Gurley all day long. We need to play every team as if everything is on the line for us because it is at this point.
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Let's not get too confident. Carson Wentz looked amazing in his first couple starts because opposing teams had no real film on him and didn't know how to exploit his weaknesses. He came back to Earth once teams figured him out. Goff is a complete unknown to us. Hopefully we'll be able to frustrate him. I'm sure we'll see LOTS of runs.
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goff or keenum doesn't change much for us....both are stinkers who are going to have to do their damage dinkin and dunkin..........as long as you stop gurley neither of those kids are going to beat us......
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Gurley hasn't been spectacular this year either. I think tavon got hurt last week? Britt will be the biggest matchup problem probably
Our defense hasn't done awful against rb's so I think we can do okay against what should be their biggest weapon
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He may have to change his name from Jared Goff to Jack Goff after this game.
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I have a feeling we will see both Goff and Keenum play regardless of who starts.
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If he was halfway decent he would have been out there sooner. Desperation by the Rams but who knows how it'll work out.
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I think it's fair to say goff will play better football than keenum...now its unlikely he plays well week 1...hell even peyton mannings first start he struggled as a rookie
but yeah I'd take the unknown in goff any day over the known quantity on tape that is case keenum
he could provide a spark in that lockerroom
and let's face it this secondary is no bueno right now
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Would be my preference too. But it doesn't move the needle much. Both these guys are terrible and we have no excuses if Goff or Keenum beats us.
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I'm not too worried about Goff; I think he'll be a bust anyway.
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So this means he'll look like a veteran Peyton Manning in his first game...he'll beat us like a Thad Lewis...Rams fans will claim they've found their QB savior only to sh!t the bag in his second game.
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I bought the LA Times yesterday at the airport flying home and there was an article saying that now is the time to start Goff. Fischer was sticking to his guns saying he wasn't going to move away from Keenum. Something must've changed his mind. I don't think it matters who they start.
Obviously, Goff must not have been grasping things real quick going into the start of the season, but what choice does LA have? Keenum can't get their offense to score. Let's rough the kid up a little and see how he deals.
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Screens, dump offs to Gurley. He will probably have north of 25 touches. Hopefully the run D holds up.
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With Bobby McCain and Maxwell in the secondary, any WR can torch us.
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Good. Jared, Meet Cam...and Andre....It'll be Mr. Wake & Mr. Branch by the end of the afternoon.
Stop the run. Stop the 3 step Quick slants, outs Screens and make Goff beat you deep.
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Going to go back and watch the Ram's preseason games.
Edit: just watched the first drive of their game against Vikings. Several great throws by Goff.
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Time to bury this f'er into the turf. Everyone's gonna want to see Goff play. Time for the Dolphins D to show out.
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Classic trap game. Gurley is a stud and I hope we can contain him
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tavon Austin doesn't help the qb either with his suspect hands and small catch radius...seen more than a few picks cause of tavon from the rams this year
but he'll probably murder our slot
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I'm going back and forth on this because I did initially see it as a trap game although staying on the west coast for two weeks would lead me to believe they saw it as more of an extended business trip and not just another road game.
Goff playing does create a buzz and should make our players a little more in tuned with what they're responsibilities.
I want a nice solid win in which all 3 phases play well but I'll take a W anyway it comes so long as we are 6-4 on the plane ride back to Miami.
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It's always rough when you don't have film on the guy. The hope is, he's just not that good. Which there is a chance of, otherwise it'd be moronic that he wasn't already in the game, it's not like Keenum's been lighting it up.
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Games gonna have a story unwinding for both teams.
First look at Goff in live action....I expect him designed runs and short passes. Also, picks by Rambo playing olb position....
All that, within his first 2 drives.. Dont ask me why, though.
Vance Joseph is gonna throw sum funny looks at hin early to see where he's at. I expect it to be a long day for Goff. Defense is already on playoff mode. Ask Earl Mitchell. Also, Parker looks like he's ready for some seconds.
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Don't forget Mr. Suh; who probably has something to say to all the reporters calling Aaron Donald the best DT in the game.
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in college goff had a really good feel in a muddy pocket and very good active feet
we'll see but my guess is Miami will bait him into most his issues sunday
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I was at the Cal/UW game last yr in Seattle. He was 24/40 for 342. 2 TDs, 1 INT. I remember saying, he's a good player but gets rattled with pressure on him. Hard Knocks kind of showed that.
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Interesting turn of events for sure. My eyes lit up when I read Goff will make the start(not sure if thats a good thing or bad thing lol) . But hopefully our boys give him a very rude awakening on Sunday.
I think we'll win
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So of all the games to start this kid, Fisher circles us on the schedule.
Sounds like bulletin board fodder to me. I hope our D is pissed off.
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How many QBs have the fins knocked out of the game for any time so far this season-4?
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Goff's face when he see Wake coming off the end and Suh up the middle:
