Goff played "Horrible" even when the Line was good

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I haven't been keeping up with all the articles. Do you remember where this came from? I'm just interested in what specifically was said.

However, I'm not sure this is properly labeled a matter of concern if Sullivan is the guy making quicker adjustments. He's been in the NFL for almost a decade and spent all of last season playing for McVay. He has a leg-up on just about anyone on this team.
 

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However, I'm not sure this is properly labeled a matter of concern if Sullivan is the guy making quicker adjustments. He's been in the NFL for almost a decade and spent all of last season playing for McVay. He has a leg-up on just about anyone on this team.

Most were not crazy over the Sullivan signing because Buffalo matched the offer to Ryan Groy, however, barring injury Sullivan could work out much better. Prior to the injury he was an all pro and he's had a year in McVay's system and was reported doing an excellent job of making the line calls during OTA's. I expect a big season for Sully and in fact, feel the Rams will bring him back in 2018.
 

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Most were not crazy over the Sullivan signing because Buffalo matched the offer to Ryan Groy, however, barring injury Sullivan could work out much better. Prior to the injury he was an all pro and he's had a year in McVay's system and was reported doing an excellent job of making the line calls during OTA's. I expect a big season for Sully and in fact, feel the Rams will bring him back in 2018.

My fear with Sullivan is durability and age. He's had back issues and is on the wrong side of 30. That's usually a bad combo. However, I believe in Aaron Kromer. If Sullivan goes down, I feel confident that Kromer will have the next man ready to step up. He's done that throughout his career. Look no further than Ryan Groy on that. He was a former UDFA OG who the Patriots cut after trading for him. He rejoins Kromer, Kromer converts him to Center, and he steps in and provides solid play when Pro Bowl C Eric Wood goes down.

I believe we might have a gem in that Eldrenkamp kid based on how badly Kromer reportedly wanted him.
 

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I believe we might have a gem in that Eldrenkamp kid based on how badly Kromer reportedly wanted him.

I concur on Eldrenkamp, but believe in Sully just have a feeling he holds up well this year with Eldrenkamp learning from him, but Eldrenkamp is a very bright young man, academic all american every year, graduated early and had multiple offers for post graduate work from some high profile institutions as we learned with Greg Robinson, you have to be prepared from the neck up as well.
 

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I haven't been keeping up with all the articles. Do you remember where this came from? I'm just interested in what specifically was said.

However, I'm not sure this is properly labeled a matter of concern if Sullivan is the guy making quicker adjustments. He's been in the NFL for almost a decade and spent all of last season playing for McVay. He has a leg-up on just about anyone on this team.

I don't find that as a particular concern either for the reasons you mentioned but McVay did have to tell him to stop because he wanted Goff to do it
 

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Coaches and players around him were bad.

Either way, it doesn't matter. McVay has no allegiance to Goff. If we're bad, we should have a high enough pick to draft another QB.
 

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All you have to do is look at the pressure percentage and compare it to others. Goff was pressured on an inordinate number of snaps. When you get pressured consistently, it affects how you play without pressure.

I'm not concerned about Goff. He's the future of this franchise. I'm just glad that the internet will archive all the haters.
Right on. There's actually a scientific name for this condition, Phantom Sack syndrome (sorry Jim). If you get sacked and hurried enough in a game you clock goes from three seconds down to less than two seconds. You cut your reads down and you start worrying about protecting the ball (and yourself). It doesn't matter that your O-Line blocked well on a certain play, you've already adjusted your game to account for pressure.
 

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Does DOVA or whatever metric they use adjust for dropped passes??
unsure....but Derrick Carr lead the league with receivers that dropped passes. Does this help?

All you have to do is look at the pressure percentage and compare it to others. Goff was pressured on an inordinate number of snaps. When you get pressured consistently, it affects how you play without pressure.
Will you agree, he was pressured more by DC's because he was ineffective? It's interesting that Keenum was pressured far less than Goff.

Nothing is accomplished from re-hashing everything from another losing season.
Those that fail to remember the past, are doomed to repeat it....or something like that
http://bigthink.com/the-proverbial-skeptic/those-who-do-not-learn-history-doomed-to-repeat-it-really
 

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Actually I don't watch the news... amazing to see how fast ppl get butthurt about it
If you don't watch it, then how do you know that their reporting resorts to smears?
 

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My fear with Sullivan is durability and age. He's had back issues and is on the wrong side of 30. That's usually a bad combo
O-linemen can still play at a high level into their mid-late 30's.
 

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All you have to do is look at the pressure percentage and compare it to others. Goff was pressured on an inordinate number of snaps. When you get pressured consistently, it affects how you play without pressure.

I'm not concerned about Goff. He's the future of this franchise. I'm just glad that the internet will archive all the haters.

Also, the article doesn't take into account the per game OL ratings. The OL may have basically been the same, but their play while Goff was in degenerated substantially. So, even on plays where there wasn't pressure, however that's measured, he still had issues. I mean, seriously, I'm willing to hold the young man to account, but c'mon. How many snaps did he take where he had a clean pocket like Brady or Roethlisberger? "without pressure" isn't the same as a clean pocket and Goff almost never had one of those.

Couple that with a disastrously bad offensive game plan and you had a rookie QB coming from a spread offense who had no clue what to do, where to go or why... and neither did his receivers only compounding the problem.

The good news is that talent isn't the issue and I have tons of confidence in BOTH Goff and Mannion (enough that I don't think they carry 3 QBs into the season).

McVay just seems ready for the job.

I relate to this personally. When I was like 11 years old, I swear I had a Big Fish moment where everything stopped at my Little League game and I just looked around, looked at all the parents and adults contributing to their sons and I KNEW that my purpose in life was to be a good father. When I became a father at 23, I was confident and ready. Some guys just aren't and that's not a bad thing, it just...is. Some guys will readily acknowledge that if they'd been fathers early in life, it would have been bad. And that's fine. I was ready.

McVay is ready. His demeanor is pitch perfect. He knows he doesn't know it all and that no one ever will. He operates from a position of team building, both in the literal and organizational sense. He has expectations that are professional and empowering because guys know where they stand with him. If a guy shows up, he plays. If he doesn't, he's sat or gone. And it's not Thunderdome, he's making sure each player is put in a position to succeed, which makes him into an ally for each player.

That's powerful stuff.

My only quibble is that while I have full faith and confidence in Goff, we just don't know (anyone can go back and look at my posts since he was drafted. I said he was a mistake only in the context that I thought Fisher, sadly, was going to be around for awhile and there was no way he would improve Goff, which was all true. But with another coach, I would have chosen Goff easily). All that said, Goff is still an unknown at the pro level. Yeah, he basically failed in his first year, but anyone who knows anything about last year realizes that if ever a mulligan should be granted, it's for Goff and last year.

Which means Goff is unproven. That's not a bad thing or criticism, it's just what is. And unproven is unpredictable. So...I think Goff is gonna be great, but we'll see. My focus is on the team, not any one particular player.
 

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Goff was generally bad. Not accurate and created a lot of extra pressure by holding the ball.
That said, there were glimpses.
New O, new scheme, OC and QB coach.
Ever forward.
 

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If you don't watch it, then how do you know that their reporting resorts to smears?
It is no secret what everybody says about all the companies. I don't live in BFE man! Lol
 

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I think Goff just wasnt prepared properly by Fisher and his staff. From long winded play calls to not being educated on NL defense. We all know where he played and the shot gun offense they used. Good thing is Goff got some NFL reps and had solid flashes of NFL plays. Even better is havimg Sean McVay's
QB friendly offense and being taught it properly by a compident staff.
 

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I believe Goffs play last year was a direct result of the coaching he recieved. Which is why IMO he will do just fine now that he has a true OC and O system.
 

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If you don't watch it, then how do you know that their reporting resorts to smears?

I used to watch television news but stopped, PARTLY, because both sides are more interested in smearing and blaming he other than to do their damn jobs. And that's all I got to say about that.
 

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Last year, in the first game of the season, we got shut the freak out, at home, with Keenum at QB.

We got shut out the freak out in that game by a defense that turned out to be the worst in the league. Worse, it was not as if we fumbled away scoring chances or tossed interceptions into the endzone. We never even got close enough to do either.

During the rest of 2016 opposing defenses were always able to effectively shut down Gurley.

Every.....single......game.

Those same defenses, during obvious passing situations, also had little problem generating quick pressure on whomever was at QB.

WTF is going on here?

The Tampa game is the only one I can remember where the offense pulled its weight to help deliver a win. The other three wins were stellar defensive stands, backed by typically brillant special teams play. (Hekker)

I am of the opinion that the Rams play calling and designs were predictable and gutless. You would have to have fielded a vastly superior OL to win consistently running such a fearful, prehistoric, and self destructive offense. Our overall offensive talent can charitably be described as mediocre, at best.

If your QB is getting hammered then you need to start calling long passing plays on first and ten and second and short. Give the QB and OL a chance. How often did the pitifully predictable scaredy Rams do that in 2016?

I bet every opposing defensive coordinator we faced in 2016 slept quite soundly the night before they played us.

I sure would have.

Let's hope they don't rest so comfortably in 2017.

Also, shoring up the OL at critical positions, discarding underperforming players, and bringing in top flight coordinators and position coaches has a very Vermielian feel.

Not worried about another long year........it took DV three seasons to field a winner.