Giving HC's control

[FRO]

I feel as if the Rams are going to make a push for a big name coach that will generate a lot of buzz. In order to get that coach the Rams will have to give a bunch of control to that coach. The Rams did the same with Fisher. I think that's the wrong move. I think they are better off getting a top notch President/GM who can identify talent and have them be the boss of the coach. It just seems like when you give one guy that much power things tend to get off track.

 

[tempests]

It just seems like when you give one guy that much power things tend to get off track.

On the other hand, you don't give them that power, and after a few years they end up fighting the GM/President for it anyway.

 

[dieterbrock]

On the other hand, you don't give them that power, and after a few years they end up fighting the GM/President for it anyway.

'' 'If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.' ''
-Bill Parcells

 

[thirteen28]

I don't think you can make a generalization one way or another. Some HC's can do good with full personnel control ... like Jimmie Johnson with the Cowboys in the early to mid 90's. And some will turn into Chip Kelly. Hard to know in advance.

 

[Corbin]

I feel as if the Rams are going to make a push for a big name coach that will generate a lot of buzz. In order to get that coach the Rams will have to give a bunch of control to that coach. The Rams did the same with Fisher. I think that's the wrong move. I think they are better off getting a top notch President/GM who can identify talent and have them be the boss of the coach. It just seems like when you give one guy that much power things tend to get off track.

I have to whole heartedly disagree with you FRO. You look at Bill Billacheat and that WHOLE organization is committed to what works in their system for the on the field product. The motor the makes everything run? Bill. He has everybody onboard on what he needs to be successful (Owner, GM, FO personal, coaches, etc). IMO that's what we need, I think Fisher was just a horrible .500 coach that never should have been hired in the first place. Let's get a proven winner and do this.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I'm with ya.
Most head coaches that are given full control fail.
Jimmie Johnson struck oil in Dallas, but was subpar in Miami.
Same with Parcells. He won his Super bowls with a GM calling the shots. When he took over GM duties, he wasn't so successful.

Coaches need to focus on coaching. I'm sure they have input on what they want, but that should be it.

 

[JackDRams]

I have to whole heartedly disagree with you FRO. You look at Bill Billacheat and that WHOLE organization is committed to what works in their system for the on the field product. The motor the makes everything run? Bill. He has everybody onboard on what he needs to be successful (Owner, GM, FO personal, coaches, etc). IMO that's what we need, I think Fisher was just a horrible .500 coach that never should have been hired in the first place. Let's get a proven winner and do this.

Lol you bring up probably the best coach in the history of the game. To expect us to find that, resicuouloualy slim. Rarely does a coach with full control pan out the way you want it. In my opinion of course.

 

[Corbin]

Lol you bring up probably the best coach in the history of the game. To expect us to find that, resicuouloualy slim. Rarely does a coach with full control pan out the way you want it. In my opinion of course.

Pete Carroll?

I think if we hire a previously inexperienced guy without a track record yeah that's a bad combo, but for a guy like Mike Shannahan to come in here and get things on track, yeah you give him full control.

 

[Zero]

'' 'If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.' ''
-Bill

Love the way Parcells coached the game.

 

[jrry32]

Pete Carroll?

I think if we hire a previously inexperienced guy without a track record yeah that's a bad combo, but for a guy like Mike Shannahan to come in here and get things on track, yeah you give him full control.

I don't think you give a guy like Shanahan full control. I don't think you give any coach full control. The only guy I would consider giving significant control to is Jim Harbaugh. With the other coaches, I'd want a balance of power.

If I really wanted a coach, I'd offer:
1. Final say over the 53 man roster and practice squad (but not the draft and free agency)
2. The ability to choose the GM (within reason)
3. Full control over his staff and the coaching aspects of the team

 

[Merlin]

I don't think you give a guy like Shanahan full control. I don't think you give any coach full control. The only guy I would consider giving significant control to is Jim Harbaugh. With the other coaches, I'd want a balance of power.

If I really wanted a coach, I'd offer:
1. Final say over the 53 man roster and practice squad (but not the draft and free agency)
2. The ability to choose the GM (within reason)
3. Full control over his staff and the coaching aspects of the team

Yeah Shanahan would never get that full control. He's been blackballed sort of by talkin smack about Snyder, and isn't in a position to drive that sort of agreement as he doesn't have the clout. Dude would not push for that, he'd come aboard in a heartbeat under a GM of that I have no doubt. And that is also why I think the Rams will like him, sad to say, that plus him being a vet coach with tons of experience to include Super Bowl victories.

Harbaugh, yeah, no doubt. You would have zero chance of getting him without giving him control.

The coordinator types aren't going to get control unless a couple teams get into a bidding war for one of them and even then it's an extreme longshot. And that type of situation is unlikely when you have multiple bright young OCs who will be interviewing.

As to the control you mention, the HC typically owns his staff and we wouldn't get anyone good without that, so it's a given for the types we want. Roster, yeah, that's another area where a top coach is going to expect it even a top coordinator that you want.

The GM thing is something I'd work with the new coaching hire in tandem on. No way I'd promise him anything there.

The big one is the draft and FA. And no I wouldn't give that up unless I was convinced he was the right guy and I knew that I'd hire and fire as many complementary GMs as I needed to in order to support him. Only guy right now who meets that criteria for me is Harbaugh, where it would be a similar setup to what we had with Fish but just with a better coach.

 

[Corbin]

I don't think you give a guy like Shanahan full control. I don't think you give any coach full control. The only guy I would consider giving significant control to is Jim Harbaugh. With the other coaches, I'd want a balance of power.

If I really wanted a coach, I'd offer:
1. Final say over the 53 man roster and practice squad (but not the draft and free agency)
2. The ability to choose the GM (within reason)
3. Full control over his staff and the coaching aspects of the team

Harbaugh is not leaving Ann Arbor anytime soon. With Mike if rumors are true, him bringing his son over as OC would be a real thing and I can't fathom what both of the Shanny's would be able to do with Goff, Gurley, and transforming this offense. Keep Bones and get a new DC that fits in the same coaching scheme/lango as Williams and we might have the beginnings of something that lasts a long long while.

 

[jrry32]

Harbaugh is not leaving Ann Arbor anytime soon. With Mike if rumors are true, him bringing his son over as OC would be a real thing and I can't fathom what both of the Shanny's would be able to do with Goff, Gurley, and transforming this offense. Keep Bones and get a new DC that fits in the same coaching scheme/lango as Williams and we might have the beginnings of something that lasts a long long while.

I don't see that coming to fruition. Kyle should have NFL HC offers this off-season.

 

[FRO]

To me the biggest issue with the team is their inability to assemble talent. This isn't an abundantly talented roster. Snead and Fisher did a below average job. I think we give both of them too much credit when it comes to drafting because they were much better than Spags, Linehan, and Martz in that regard, but being better than them isn't good enough. The only guys that were really able to assemble talent in the last 27 years were Vermiel and Armey. We need to get front office guys that can build a team and let those guys pick the coach. Harbaugh is the only big coach that interests me. I just think giving a guy like Gruden full power will only lead to Fisher 2.0. Get some quality front office people in here and build a good organizational structure.

 

[Corbin]

To me the biggest issue with the team is their inability to assemble talent. This isn't an abundantly talented roster. Snead and Fisher did a below average job.

My question I want answers to is who the hell kept drafting guys for upside and not football skills. If I had to bet I think that is a Fisher call. Example? Quick or Robinson. Obviously having a more NFL ready product would have panned out better for us. That's what really hurt us with overall talent.,

 

[FRO]

My question I want answers to is who the hell kept drafting guys for upside and not football skills. If I had to bet I think that is a Fisher call. Example? Quick or Robinson. Obviously having a more NFL ready product would have panned out better for us. That's what really hurt us with overall talent.,

Totally agree. Need football players not just athletes.

 

[JackDRams]

Pete Carroll?

I think if we hire a previously inexperienced guy without a track record yeah that's a bad combo, but for a guy like Mike Shannahan to come in here and get things on track, yeah you give him full control.

I mean Bellicheck. Unless I misread your post. My bad.