Football expert Florio determines Spygate is overstated and "moderate"

[Corbin]

The show never stops!

 

[Boston Ram]

I know the Pats cheated. But they only taped walkthroughs right? Don't you still have to execute plays correctly and have enough talent to score points? I mean with all the technology now you can pretty much have whatever video tapes you want. Plus they haven't stopped winning since they got caught. Maybe I don't understand quite to the extent of which they cheated. But I feel like people act like any old college team could have went out and went 16-0 just by taping walkthroughs. Did you see some of the catches Moss had that year? My point is, I think people(especially Rams fans) blow this out of proportion a little. The Super Bowl I can understand. The Patriots shouldn't have won and taping our practices probably helped. But besides that you can't deny how good they've been all these years.

I agree but am not going to respond further as this is such a sensitive topic. These players know the plays half the time based on formations and reads. There is enough game tape to have players hyper prepared for every play. Truth is there is most teams are not fooled on game day. They know what the opposition is going to do. its all about execution.

Your right NE has still made the playoffs every year except once since and most likely will go back to a SB this year. If not for a freak catch they would of been 20-0.

 

[rams2050]

I believe that they are cheating to this very day. I would like to watch Ernie Adams during one of the Pats' games and just see exactly what he is doing -- or if he is anywhere that he actually CAN be seen. Somehow, some way, this guy with the photographic memory is letting be known to someone each and every play of any opponent the Cheats happen to be competing against on any given day.

They're still cheating, all right; it's just that they have refined the cheating into an art form.

What's more, everyone who is involved seems to have sworn an oath similar to that of the mafia -- they would rather be snuffed than squeal.

I can only hope that someone down the line this season snuffs out their SB hopes and dreams yet again. They simply do not deserve to win again. . . EVER!

 

[cgsuddeath]

Who is worse Florio or La Confora?

It's the same coin but different side.

 

[Stranger]

http://www.spygatebook.com/reviews/

Attention NFL fans: I recently finished reading a book about the league’s most notorious cheating scandal called “Spygate The Untold Story.” I was asked by the author, Bryan O’Leary, to be interviewed for the book, as America’s foremost authority on sports gaming and pointspread analysis. Wait until you read what I have to say about this New England Patriots’ cheating scandal. Let’s just say that this very cynical New Yorker was shocked like I’ve never been shocked before. My jaw was wide open reading about this scandal of all scandals.

This is bigger than the famous “Black Sox Scandal” of baseball. Yet it’s all been swept under the rug by the NFL and the national media (that obviously does anything the NFL asks of them in return for a big piece of the NFL profit pie). I have to say, if you are a fan of the NFL you will absolutely love this book. Turns out the Spygate scandal was far worse than the NFL and its owners would like fans to believe.

Spoiler alert: Did you know Tom Brady had a second radio frequency going into his helmet so he could hear from his coaches after the 15 second cutoff? Well that’s what this book appears to prove. Even for a cynical New Yorker (and now Las Vegas native) like me, who thought I had seen and heard everything, I was blown away by the information in this “couldn’t put it down” book. “Spygate” covers the incident itself, including little known facts that were quickly swept under the rug by the NFL commissioner’s office.

Like the fact that Tom Brady left tens of millions of dollars on the table, to accept contracts well below what the top QB in the NFL should command, just to stay in New England. Why? Loyalty? What sports agent would allow his client to throw away tens of millions of dollars? Wouldn’t the top QB in the NFL be offended by lowball offers from the team that he took to the Super Bowl five times in his ten years? Yet Brady accepted the lowball offers without a fight. Strange. Brady and his agent accepted downright lousy deals to stay in New England. Why? Did Brady perhaps feel that the only reason a 6th round draft pick became a Hall of Fame QB was because of this cheating scandal? Did Brady become the best QB in the NFL simply because in New England, he always knew what play the opposing defense was calling before the snap?

Author O’Leary examines the history of the scandal’s three most important characters, including one that few NFL experts (even the experts in Boston) even knew existed. Testimony of coaches, players, and ex-employees completes the picture. The anecdotal evidence is extremely compelling. For instance- why do Bill Belichick’s unheralded assistant coaches all become the best offensive and defensive coordinators in the NFL while in New England, only to all fail miserably time and again when they get hired away by other NFL teams? Could it be because of this cheating scandal? Is it because at New England, they always knew what play was being called by the opposing team before the snap?

The book concludes with exhaustive and detailed statistical analysis studies conducted by a PhD of Statistical Science that shows performance levels achieved by New England that should have been impossible to achieve (without cheating). The Patriots’ home-winning percentage and against-the-spread performance under Belichick is proven literally impossible. It is in this chapter of the book where I (Wayne Root) am interviewed as an authority on sports gaming. The statistics literally blew my mind.

Overall a great read and brilliantly put together. Author Bryan O’Leary really did his homework. If you are an NFL junkie like me, this is a must read. You’ll never see Coach Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, or the 3-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots the same way again.

I promise you, you won’t be able to put this book down.

Author interview with The Fan
[av]http://f.cl.ly/items/41433U0G3208303T2G01/Bryan_Oleary_8_13_12.mp3[/av]

http://www.amazon.com/Spygate-Untold-Story-Bryan-OLeary/dp/0985467002


As the title implies, the book is about Bill Belichick, the New England Patriots and the videotaping scandal (or curious non-scandal) that was uncovered in September, 2007. Among the many fascinating touchpoints of this informative and thought-provoking manuscript:

• If Bill Belichick innocently "misinterpreted" the video policy (after all teams received a written warning less than a year earlier), why did the "innocent" videographers (including Matt Walsh) lie to sideline security about what they were doing?
• Wasn’t it strange that the NFL decided to minimize the escapade before talking to Walsh, the star witness? Why is Walsh under a gag order now? Why was the evidence destroyed quickly, an act that defies all logic of investigative process?
• Who is Ernie Adams and why is he the most powerful football mind that no one has ever heard of? Belichick brought Adams to Cleveland in 1991 and after a few years,Browns owner Art Modell offered $10,000 to anyone who could tell him what Adams did! Players still to this day chuckle at the shroud of secrecy that surrounds that man.
• Belichick claimed that he didn’t use the taped signals during the games in question, his "misunderstanding" loophole. Why then did he tape games of teams he wouldn’t see again that year, including our 2004 AFC Championship Game, which Senator Arlen Spector stated on the Senate floor that Steelers players thought the Patriots knew everything that Pittsburgh was going to do?
• Why does Belichick continue to hire cardboard cutouts for coordinators – young people with no experience or older failures – or hire no coordinators at all? Is it interesting that one such young failure, Josh McDaniels, was caught video cheating soon after he moved to Denver?

In addition to the above intriguing discussion points, O’Leary’s book goes into some very interesting statistical phenomena which defies explanation. Why does New England always win at home? Yes, they’re good, but five seasons with perfect 8-0 records? A 31-game home winning streak? An unbelievable record of beating the point spread? The book gives some eye-popping data that will make you think, or perhaps re-think.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/8/6/3218255/spygate-the-untold-story

 

[cgsuddeath]

http://www.spygatebook.com/reviews/

Attention NFL fans: I recently finished reading a book about the league’s most notorious cheating scandal called “Spygate The Untold Story.” I was asked by the author, Bryan O’Leary, to be interviewed for the book, as America’s foremost authority on sports gaming and pointspread analysis. Wait until you read what I have to say about this New England Patriots’ cheating scandal. Let’s just say that this very cynical New Yorker was shocked like I’ve never been shocked before. My jaw was wide open reading about this scandal of all scandals.

This is bigger than the famous “Black Sox Scandal” of baseball. Yet it’s all been swept under the rug by the NFL and the national media (that obviously does anything the NFL asks of them in return for a big piece of the NFL profit pie). I have to say, if you are a fan of the NFL you will absolutely love this book. Turns out the Spygate scandal was far worse than the NFL and its owners would like fans to believe.

Spoiler alert: Did you know Tom Brady had a second radio frequency going into his helmet so he could hear from his coaches after the 15 second cutoff? Well that’s what this book appears to prove. Even for a cynical New Yorker (and now Las Vegas native) like me, who thought I had seen and heard everything, I was blown away by the information in this “couldn’t put it down” book. “Spygate” covers the incident itself, including little known facts that were quickly swept under the rug by the NFL commissioner’s office.

Like the fact that Tom Brady left tens of millions of dollars on the table, to accept contracts well below what the top QB in the NFL should command, just to stay in New England. Why? Loyalty? What sports agent would allow his client to throw away tens of millions of dollars? Wouldn’t the top QB in the NFL be offended by lowball offers from the team that he took to the Super Bowl five times in his ten years? Yet Brady accepted the lowball offers without a fight. Strange. Brady and his agent accepted downright lousy deals to stay in New England. Why? Did Brady perhaps feel that the only reason a 6th round draft pick became a Hall of Fame QB was because of this cheating scandal? Did Brady become the best QB in the NFL simply because in New England, he always knew what play the opposing defense was calling before the snap?

Author O’Leary examines the history of the scandal’s three most important characters, including one that few NFL experts (even the experts in Boston) even knew existed. Testimony of coaches, players, and ex-employees completes the picture. The anecdotal evidence is extremely compelling. For instance- why do Bill Belichick’s unheralded assistant coaches all become the best offensive and defensive coordinators in the NFL while in New England, only to all fail miserably time and again when they get hired away by other NFL teams? Could it be because of this cheating scandal? Is it because at New England, they always knew what play was being called by the opposing team before the snap?

The book concludes with exhaustive and detailed statistical analysis studies conducted by a PhD of Statistical Science that shows performance levels achieved by New England that should have been impossible to achieve (without cheating). The Patriots’ home-winning percentage and against-the-spread performance under Belichick is proven literally impossible. It is in this chapter of the book where I (Wayne Root) am interviewed as an authority on sports gaming. The statistics literally blew my mind.

Overall a great read and brilliantly put together. Author Bryan O’Leary really did his homework. If you are an NFL junkie like me, this is a must read. You’ll never see Coach Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, or the 3-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots the same way again.

I promise you, you won’t be able to put this book down.

Author interview with The Fan
[av]http://f.cl.ly/items/41433U0G3208303T2G01/Bryan_Oleary_8_13_12.mp3[/av]

http://www.amazon.com/Spygate-Untold-Story-Bryan-OLeary/dp/0985467002


As the title implies, the book is about Bill Belichick, the New England Patriots and the videotaping scandal (or curious non-scandal) that was uncovered in September, 2007. Among the many fascinating touchpoints of this informative and thought-provoking manuscript:

• If Bill Belichick innocently "misinterpreted" the video policy (after all teams received a written warning less than a year earlier), why did the "innocent" videographers (including Matt Walsh) lie to sideline security about what they were doing?
• Wasn’t it strange that the NFL decided to minimize the escapade before talking to Walsh, the star witness? Why is Walsh under a gag order now? Why was the evidence destroyed quickly, an act that defies all logic of investigative process?
• Who is Ernie Adams and why is he the most powerful football mind that no one has ever heard of? Belichick brought Adams to Cleveland in 1991 and after a few years,Browns owner Art Modell offered $10,000 to anyone who could tell him what Adams did! Players still to this day chuckle at the shroud of secrecy that surrounds that man.
• Belichick claimed that he didn’t use the taped signals during the games in question, his "misunderstanding" loophole. Why then did he tape games of teams he wouldn’t see again that year, including our 2004 AFC Championship Game, which Senator Arlen Spector stated on the Senate floor that Steelers players thought the Patriots knew everything that Pittsburgh was going to do?
• Why does Belichick continue to hire cardboard cutouts for coordinators – young people with no experience or older failures – or hire no coordinators at all? Is it interesting that one such young failure, Josh McDaniels, was caught video cheating soon after he moved to Denver?

In addition to the above intriguing discussion points, O’Leary’s book goes into some very interesting statistical phenomena which defies explanation. Why does New England always win at home? Yes, they’re good, but five seasons with perfect 8-0 records? A 31-game home winning streak? An unbelievable record of beating the point spread? The book gives some eye-popping data that will make you think, or perhaps re-think.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/8/6/3218255/spygate-the-untold-story

One of the main reasons why I have no respect for Brady.

 

[Stranger]

One of the main reasons why I have no respect for Brady.

Univ of Michigan grad.

 

[Stranger]

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...ave-not-won-another-super-bowl-since-spygate/

MARSHALL FAULK ON M&M: ‘JUST IRONIC’ THAT PATRIOTS HAVE NOT WON ANOTHER SUPER BOWL SINCE SPYGATE
01.30.14 at 1:42 pm ET
By Jerry Spar

Former Colts and Rams running back Marshall Faulk checked in with Mut & Merloni from Super Bowl Radio Row on Thursday, and he made it clear he still holds a grudge for what he perceives to be cheating on the Patriots’ part before their Super Bowl win over Faulk’s Rams in 2002. To hear the interview, go to the Mut & Merloni audio on demand page.

“Here’s the thing: In the NFL, you don’t get fined for nothing. All right? Let’s understand that. OK? We’re smart, we’re businessmen, and it’s about protecting the brand, protecting the shield,” Faulk said. “Now, you tell me, at anything that you do, if you find out somebody cheats you in any little way, that you’re OK with it. I mean, you’re not a competitor. You’re not a competitor if you’re OK with it. I’m a competitor. That’s what I am.

“It’s not like I hadn’t played that team before. It’s not like I didn’t know what they were going to do to me. That’s fine. And up until that day that we found out that information, you had never heard me say anything about that team or about what they did. And I still consider [Bill] Belichick one of the greatest coaches. I still consider Tom Brady one of the greatest players. That team and what they did, and went on that run, it was great. The only thing that bothers me is there’s something that exists that gives us doubt on why the game went the way it did.”

Faulk would not come out and directly say the Patriots cheated — and a story implying a Patriots staffer taped a Rams walkthrough never was verified — but Faulk noted that the Patriots have not won a championship since the Spygate scandal broke.

Said Faulk: “The question is, how did they become a championship team? … Listen, I’m not going to be the only one to say this: Ever since they got fined and, ‘OK, we’re not doing that anymore,’ they’ve won how many Super Bowls?”

Asked directly if he feels the facts lead him to the opinion that the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since being punished for videotaping opposing coaches, Faulk danced around the question.

“I’m just telling you how I feel about it. If that’s your perception of what I’m saying, then that’s your perception,” he said. “I’m not taking anything away from Bill Belichick and Tom Brady; they’re great. I’m going to continue to tell you that. They’re great. They’ve won, boy, I don’t know how many games, how many AFC championships, eight? … You don’t do that without getting some things accomplished.

“I’m just telling you it’s just ironic that that’s the case.”


Added Faulk: “The only thing I know is ever since that happened and it got exposed, what we have is 0-2 in Super Bowls. That’s all. I’m not saying they have anything to do with each other; I’m just telling you what the facts are.”

When it was pointed out that while the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since 2005 they been the most consistently successful team in the NFL since that time, Faulk said the title drought is more significant.

“I don’t want to take anything away from Tom. Tom’s been great. He’s going to continue to have success. He’s going to continue to have success,” Faulk said. “They have what I want to consider one of the greatest things going with guys willing to come in there and work and play under Belichick, play under the rules of Belichick and get things done. That works. [But] when we talk about what they have done, we’re talking about Super Bowls.”

Added Faulk: “It is [a successful run], but we’re talking about championships. There’s a lot of teams that win a lot of games.”

Faulk, who recounted a pleasant exchange with owner Robert Kraft but said then-Patriots coach Bill Parcells doubted his durability during a pre-draft visit with the team in 1994, expressed admiration for Kraft and insisted he did not hate the team. He also praised Brady, although he claimed Brady had it easier than him because Brady didn’t have the pressure of being a high draft pick.

“Hating the Patriots would be crazy. That would mean I hate Tom Brady, and I love what Tom has done,” Faulk said. “I think they get upset because I look at being the [second] overall pick going to a team, changing the franchise when people expect you to. I consider that to be a more daunting task then coming from being a sixth-round pick when nobody is expecting you to do nothing and taking the team to a Super Bowl. I just think that’s a harder thing to do. Because I know what changing the Colts organization is like. I failed at it once and I succeeded another time. So, it’s a lot. It’s a lot to do. And not to just do it, but do it and be considered one of the greats, if not the greatest quarterback of all time.”

 

[Mojo Ram]

Spygate is overstated and "moderate" because Robert Kraft decided it was.

 

[Boston Ram]

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...ave-not-won-another-super-bowl-since-spygate/

MARSHALL FAULK ON M&M: ‘JUST IRONIC’ THAT PATRIOTS HAVE NOT WON ANOTHER SUPER BOWL SINCE SPYGATE
01.30.14 at 1:42 pm ET
By Jerry Spar

Former Colts and Rams running back Marshall Faulk checked in with Mut & Merloni from Super Bowl Radio Row on Thursday, and he made it clear he still holds a grudge for what he perceives to be cheating on the Patriots’ part before their Super Bowl win over Faulk’s Rams in 2002. To hear the interview, go to the Mut & Merloni audio on demand page.

“Here’s the thing: In the NFL, you don’t get fined for nothing. All right? Let’s understand that. OK? We’re smart, we’re businessmen, and it’s about protecting the brand, protecting the shield,” Faulk said. “Now, you tell me, at anything that you do, if you find out somebody cheats you in any little way, that you’re OK with it. I mean, you’re not a competitor. You’re not a competitor if you’re OK with it. I’m a competitor. That’s what I am.

“It’s not like I hadn’t played that team before. It’s not like I didn’t know what they were going to do to me. That’s fine. And up until that day that we found out that information, you had never heard me say anything about that team or about what they did. And I still consider [Bill] Belichick one of the greatest coaches. I still consider Tom Brady one of the greatest players. That team and what they did, and went on that run, it was great. The only thing that bothers me is there’s something that exists that gives us doubt on why the game went the way it did.”

Faulk would not come out and directly say the Patriots cheated — and a story implying a Patriots staffer taped a Rams walkthrough never was verified — but Faulk noted that the Patriots have not won a championship since the Spygate scandal broke.

Said Faulk: “The question is, how did they become a championship team? … Listen, I’m not going to be the only one to say this: Ever since they got fined and, ‘OK, we’re not doing that anymore,’ they’ve won how many Super Bowls?”

Asked directly if he feels the facts lead him to the opinion that the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since being punished for videotaping opposing coaches, Faulk danced around the question.

“I’m just telling you how I feel about it. If that’s your perception of what I’m saying, then that’s your perception,” he said. “I’m not taking anything away from Bill Belichick and Tom Brady; they’re great. I’m going to continue to tell you that. They’re great. They’ve won, boy, I don’t know how many games, how many AFC championships, eight? … You don’t do that without getting some things accomplished.

“I’m just telling you it’s just ironic that that’s the case.”


Added Faulk: “The only thing I know is ever since that happened and it got exposed, what we have is 0-2 in Super Bowls. That’s all. I’m not saying they have anything to do with each other; I’m just telling you what the facts are.”

When it was pointed out that while the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since 2005 they been the most consistently successful team in the NFL since that time, Faulk said the title drought is more significant.

“I don’t want to take anything away from Tom. Tom’s been great. He’s going to continue to have success. He’s going to continue to have success,” Faulk said. “They have what I want to consider one of the greatest things going with guys willing to come in there and work and play under Belichick, play under the rules of Belichick and get things done. That works. [But] when we talk about what they have done, we’re talking about Super Bowls.”

Added Faulk: “It is [a successful run], but we’re talking about championships. There’s a lot of teams that win a lot of games.”

Faulk, who recounted a pleasant exchange with owner Robert Kraft but said then-Patriots coach Bill Parcells doubted his durability during a pre-draft visit with the team in 1994, expressed admiration for Kraft and insisted he did not hate the team. He also praised Brady, although he claimed Brady had it easier than him because Brady didn’t have the pressure of being a high draft pick.

“Hating the Patriots would be crazy. That would mean I hate Tom Brady, and I love what Tom has done,” Faulk said. “I think they get upset because I look at being the [second] overall pick going to a team, changing the franchise when people expect you to. I consider that to be a more daunting task then coming from being a sixth-round pick when nobody is expecting you to do nothing and taking the team to a Super Bowl. I just think that’s a harder thing to do. Because I know what changing the Colts organization is like. I failed at it once and I succeeded another time. So, it’s a lot. It’s a lot to do. And not to just do it, but do it and be considered one of the greats, if not the greatest quarterback of all time.”

I remember this interview and was pissed at Faulk after this. They asked him to elaborate on the cheating and he turtled. They gave him every chance to elaborate and he didn't. I believe he was working for the NFL at the time so sure he could only say so much, but they made him sound like a whiner that day. He had no comeback to the fact NE had been to two additional SB's and lost one on a fluke.

 

[cgsuddeath]

Univ of Michigan grad.

I don't understand the significance?

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

Spygate is a legit issue, but the 9/11 theory is and always will be up there in the sky with the chem trails. It actually demeans the significance of spygate.

I have actually personally watched several planes spewing "chem trails" across the sky, and watched them turn around multiple times and keep crossing the sky multiple times, until the sky looked like a checkerboard, back and forth across the same valley. But if you want to keep calling us conspiracy theorists, go ahead, keep your head buried deep in the sand.

 

[Ram Quixote]

Added Faulk: “The only thing I know is ever since that happened and it got exposed, what we have is 0-2 in Super Bowls. That’s all. I’m not saying they have anything to do with each other; I’m just telling you what the facts are.”

Actually, the reason they haven't won a SB since 2005 is because their DBs were no longer able to mug, hold and interfere with receivers. In 2005, the Competition Committee recommended a crackdown on such tactics, and low and behold, Peyton Manning finally completed a comeback against the Pats in Jan '07.

 

[Boffo97]

Actually, the reason they haven't won a SB since 2005 is because their DBs were no longer able to mug, hold and interfere with receivers. In 2005, the Competition Committee recommended a crackdown on such tactics, and low and behold, Peyton Manning finally completed a comeback against the Pats in Jan '07.

I'd say a little from Column A (refs actually called games), a little from Column B (taping signals cheating is hopefully stopped).

 

[Stranger]

I don't understand the significance?

Just start noticing, and I guarantee you'll start seeing a pattern.

 

[cgsuddeath]

The only patterns I see are the poor officiating,the special treatment The NFL channel and CBS give the Patriots

 

[blue4]

Rodney Harrison defending Belicheat's integrity is like Carlo Gambino defending a corrupt police official.

 

[rams2050]

Anyone who thinks that people who believe the Cheats cheated in the past -- and probably continue cheating to the present day -- are simply sore losers should read "Spygate." The book truly is a revelation. And if the men and women who cover the NFL had even a shred of integrity, they would have been more forthcoming about what the author uncovered during his researching of the topic.

The statistical improbability of ANY team going on a winning tear such as the Cheats have been on for more than 10 years is simply astronomical. The statistical improbability of ANY team winning in their own stadium as many games, in as many consecutive years, as the Cheats have done is even more astronomical!

Just what is it about playing in Foxborough that gives the Cheats such a huge advantage?

I have no doubt that the Cheats have never stopped cheating; they have just gotten 'Kraftier' in the way that they are cheating.

And whoever noted that the Cheats' assistants never have any success once they leave New England has hit the nail right on its head. WHY IS THAT?? Not a single one of them has ever succeeded elsewhere. . . That, in itself, is extremely suspicious.

"Spygate: The Untold Story" should be must reading for every NFL fan, but especially Rams', Panthers', and Eagles' fans -- all of whom have been hosed out of Super Bowls by the greatest cheating conspiracy in the history of organized sports.

There is a darned good reason why Brady never opts for free agency.

 

[A55VA6]

Who is worse Florio or La Confora?

I'd say Florio by a mile.