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Fisher & the lack of offense

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by RFIP, May 9, 2014.

  1. PhxRam The Estimated Prophet

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    I have no idea why the Rams selected Snead as GM over you.
     
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  2. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    K, you win. I honestly have no desire to have a debate about how crappy our team is going to be before the season starts.
    Enjoy your mire.
     
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  3. iced Well-Known Member

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    Makes two of us :D

    I sincerely hope the Rams receivers and Robinson prove me wrong - so I can temper my keg ordering correctly...with devaney I was locked in for atleast 3 kegs, Snead thus far has been much gentler :D:cool:

    Still don't get the Mason pick though - I think Drich and Pead are both on notice
     
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  4. RamEERS Pastor

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    totally ignored my point... i never blamed their production on clemens, i blamed it on their experience... the receivers that i mentioned? 5 years, 5 years and 11 years of experience.. ours? 1, 1, 3 (quick) 3 (givens), 4 (Pettis)

    arguments are pointless at this point.. because you start twisting words to match your argument.... i never even mentioned clemens... only experience..
     
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  5. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Not to nitpick, but it's 1 (Austin), 1 (Bailey), 2 (Quick), 2 (Givens), 3 (Pettis). After. this year, they'll have accrued more experience.
     
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  6. Boffo97 Well-Known Member

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    I know I horribly snipped your quote there, but I hope you'll bear with me.

    Honestly, arguments are pointless at this point because we don't know how it's going to turn out. History may show Robinson was the right pick (which I of course earnestly hope is the case since Robinson's success implies the Rams' success and no amount of table pounding will change that), or it might show otherwise.

    The important thing is that we're all Rams fans at the end of the day, right?
     
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  7. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    Why give up on our young WR's??? They're UNPROVEN and will have a stellar OL, QB, and running game to compliment them for the first time. No reason to raise a stink!
     
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  8. iced Well-Known Member

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    I'm not twisting words, I apparently made a bad assumption and thought your counter point to their lack of production would be pointing to clemens being the starter and not bradford (in fairness, this is 90% of the responses I've seen or gotten)

    But what really inspires confidence in our corps? There were only 2 Receivers in the NFL last year that took the most snaps at Wide receiver for their teams And never reached the end zone - Hakeem Nicks and Chris Givens. Nicks was cut this off season and signed with the colts.

    Bailey? Too small of a sample size. Quick? Please, couldn't even get more snaps than Bailey in the last few weeks. In fact he only accounted for like 35 or 40%, 4th among Ram's Receivers.

    The part that says it all to me? Tavon Austin, a rookie WR, who only accounted for 42% of offensive snaps, lead the team in receptions. By the way, not only did Givens not get into the endzone while also having less catches than Tavon, he had almost twice as many opportunities (77% of offensive snaps), and he also had one of the highest drop rates in the nfl.

    To me, Tavon austin is the only sure thing at receiver. Bailey is a question mark, the rest are not starters...

    By the way - our Tight end led the team in receiving, not a receiver...yea some people think that's okay if you Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham - but Jared Cook is no where near their level,imo.
     
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  9. CoachO Well-Known Member

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    Or are you saying that because they aren't going to throw it 40 times a game, its not the offense YOU want them to have. Can you tell me where Seattle and San Francisco were ranked in total offense last year? How about 18th and 24th respectively. Kansas City (21st) and Carolina (26th) and yet no one is talking about their "crap offense" are they?
     
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  10. crazyhorns Member

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    Other than Fitzgerald who are those great receivers on those teams that are going to make us respect them in the same way. I believe the Rams receiving corps and FA TE Cook will show significant progress going into this season with Bradford. Also, I believe Britt will be our Ace in the hole. Go Rams
     
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  11. lockdnram21 Well-Known Member

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    notice isnt the word one of them want make it. Probaly D rich because of Peads special team value. But Pead better show why he was a 2nd round pick when they go to camp. on twitter fisher was quoted sayiny they couldnt pass mason up at that point.
     
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  12. Boffo97 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone is giving up on the WRs. They all would have been helped if we had a #1, even if a #1 DID step up from what we already had.

    The Rams had a lot of valid choices for ways to go, they chose one. It doesn't mean anyone was proven wrong or deserves to be personally attacked for that. I think that's where this started to get out of hand.
     
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  13. Ram Quixote Knight Errant

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    It's one thing for fans of our division opponents to overvalue their players. Now we've gone so far as to admit we have no chance against those secondaries?

    I just threw up a bit in mouth just saying that.
     
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  14. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Fisher's Titans teams had double digit winning seasons where their leading targets were TEs Frank Wychek or Bo Scaife.
     
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  15. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    I haven't kept up with this thread, just through out my .02. We needed 1 really good WR, Watkins, or pass on the position all together, maybe a late pick. Not many WR's would have actually helped, IMO. Snisher chose right in not picking one after Watkins. Like you said, a #1 was the only real upgrade to be had at the position.
     
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  16. Boffo97 Well-Known Member

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    Watkins or maybe Evans... but other than that, I agree.

    *IF* no one steps up to that #1 role, there are some good ones coming out next year, right?
     
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  17. cvramsfan Member

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    The point I was trying to make was if the opponent has a shut down DB, that one shut down DB can not cover more than one WR at one time. That means there should be another WR or TE or RB that could get open. Plus I think "X" gave several examples of our WR's beating those DB's.

    I may have my head in the sand, but I believe there is enough talent on this team with the added draft talent that will be able to win on any given Sunday. I am going to say it now that I think the RAMS win the west this year with a 11-5 or 12-4 record with AZ in second at 10-6, hawks fall to a 8-8 and sf last at 6-8. We go 5-1 in the west with a sweep of last years top two teams and the 2015 schedule has the hawks closing the season @ the RAMS for a change.

    Yeah I said it!
     
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  18. Bluesy Reppin' the Rams since 2000

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    Did Seattle have a Sammy Watkins type on their team when they won the Super Bowl? No. In fact, if you saw the info graphic posted during the draft, Seattle only had two drafted receivers out of five last year (Harvin and Tate I believe).

    Now, if our defense really ends up being as dominant as it looks like it might be (mainly the front 7), and we have a hardcore running game, WE WILL WIN!
     
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  19. Bluesy Reppin' the Rams since 2000

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    I'm almost there with ya. I think Arizona will take the cake, followed by the Rams, Seattle, and then the Niners.
     
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  20. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Have at it. That's the point of having Austin, Givens, and Cook. You voluntarily take the top off your own defense and we'll take it.
     
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