Eagles confirm torn ACL for Carson Wentz

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LOL ! We are looking at two loaves of bread still in the oven, one white and the other wheat, and we are already arguing about which one tastes better! Love the passion for Goff and the Rams, but I will wait for them both to get three or four full seasons under their belts before making any comparisons.
 

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Yeah just like any injury to Goff would be big in LA still doesn’t mean he couldn’t play with it if he had to and 3 weeks means it wasn’t serious especially since it was preseason it could have only been a 2 week injury.

Then you compare a gruesome knee injury to cracked ribs lol. How many QBs have played with cracked ribs before. Talking about apples to oranges. And I have said plenty of times that he has to protect himself when he run but the TEAM need to protect him with a better offensive line. Because almost every Rush this year happen because he had to escape pressure.

What I’m saying is he’s not a running qb he uses his legs like Wilson like Rodgers but he don’t protect himself like them. But that touchdown run what he got hurt on was a QB play not a running qb not a passing qb just a regular Qb play that competitors make
Your reading comprehension is lacking here. His rib injury was a serious injury at the the time, I never said gruesome. They were concerned in Philly, he would not have played if he was the starter. it was an injury, you cant just erase the history because it doesn't fit your narrative.
And why are you bringing Goff in to this? He's got nothing to do with it.
I'll repeat myself for the last time and maybe you can comprehend it, Wentz cant initiate contact the way he has or he will continue to get hurt. In 3 seasons now he's broken his wrist, cracked ribs and now tore his ACL.
Its a shame because he was playing like a top 3 QB this year and made amazing improvement from his rookie year
 

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Significant injuries in two of his past 3 seasons tilt the scale here Amigo
meh
He'll slip into injury prone player with another injury in the pros....not yet.
Gotta realize that’s the same poster that said Joyner was too small and slow to play free safety. Probably still prefers Brian Randolph over Joyner
maybe....liked to have seen what he could do healthy back there. Definitely would prefer him over John Johnson.
 

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Scheme always matters, what exactly do you count as a tight window? A defender over the receiver, or throwing it in the perfect spot?
espn has a definition.....a defender within 1 yard of a completed pass...sounds about right
The redzone is a bummer, but that's more on McVay as well. Washington had redzone issues with McVay as their coordinator, that was always the "knock" on McVay.
And....I blame the QB's he's worked with.
Because Spygate was literally about getting information to Tom Brady after the 15 second mic cut off.
It was about filming practices....and specifically several NEW plays Martz was putting in for the superbowl
I'm starting to question if you even watch the Rams games, because almost every play Goff is barking out orders with less than 15, 10, 5 seconds on the clock.
I saw that too...right after the :15 second mark of the play clock...like someone told him something....and he's relaying it to the team.
Which one of our receivers do you think we should toss contested balls up to?
Watkins, Kupp, Higbee, Everett, Reynolds, and MIKE THOMAS

The reason why people like Kurt Warner will say that Wentz isn't the most accurate is because Wentz will miss those really easy gimmie throws sometimes and Goff doesn't. Again, I've already explained this to you. I'm not just making crap up and rambling on what pops into my head, I'm repeating what former NFL players, and analysts and others are saying.
Use your eyes....who looked better Sunday? Who looked more accurate?
The second time against Seattle he drove down the field and threw a strike to the end zone that was dropped by Kupp.
And what happened the play after that? We had another play, no???

It's like people got to find something to be happy with since Goff got outplayed
Seems like it to me....
 

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Your reading comprehension is lacking here. His rib injury was a serious injury at the the time, I never said gruesome. They were concerned in Philly, he would not have played if he was the starter. it was an injury, you cant just erase the history because it doesn't fit your narrative.
And why are you bringing Goff in to this? He's got nothing to do with it.
I'll repeat myself for the last time and maybe you can comprehend it, Wentz cant initiate contact the way he has or he will continue to get hurt. In 3 seasons now he's broken his wrist, cracked ribs and now tore his ACL.
Its a shame because he was playing like a top 3 QB this year and made amazing improvement from his rookie year
Lol not it’s definitely your comprehension that lacking

You made the comparison that philly wouldn’t have traded for Bradford if Teddy dint blow his knee which was a gruesome injury lmao

You made that correlation not me I just pointed out that cracks rib are not as severe as how bad Teddy knee was you made the correlation that if his Teddy ribs was cracked they would have traded for Bradford. Try going back and reading your post before you try to talk about someone reading comprehension skills .

Then you talking about erasing history to fit my narrative when I have pointed out just because a guy got hurt in college it has no baring on his injury status in the nfl I have listed multiple example of guys that got hurt in college who didn’t get hurt in the nfl and vice versa. You are choosing to pick and choose what you wanna respond to without “comprehending” the entire message
 

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Glad to have brought you so much amusement today....

I'm shocked you can't read them anymore...I could have sworn weeks ago you stated you didn't read them at all...Like never ever....don't know to believe you now, or are you a liar.....it's all good....pretty soon, I'll share my theory that humans are liars by nature....pleasure seekers that we are.

Good luck to you too....

I will direct you to some stellar posting though!

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/no-pirates-just-booty.26279/page-59#post-1006864
 

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You made that correlation not me I just pointed out that cracks rib are not as severe as how bad Teddy knee was you made the correlation that if his Teddy ribs was cracked they would have traded for Bradford. Try going back and reading your post before you try to talk about someone reading comprehension skills .
Are you on drugs? What the freak are you talking about? If Bridgewater doesnt blow out his knee, the Eagles dont trade Bradford and Wentz doesnt play as a rookie.
Wentz has suffered an injury 3 seasons in a row due to the way he plays, you dont see a correlation?
Good grief.
Sober up and we can try again
 

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Are you on drugs? What the freak are you talking about? If Bridgewater doesnt blow out his knee, the Eagles dont trade Bradford and Wentz doesnt play as a rookie.
Wentz has suffered an injury 3 seasons in a row due to the way he plays, you dont see a correlation?
Good grief.
Sober up and we can try again
I’m done with your insults
They wouldn’t have made the Bradford trade if Teddy blew out his knee then

1. Teddy knee injury is way more severe then a acl injury how long has Teddy been out for his knee injury that’s why they went out and got Bradford because no one was even sure if he would be able to play football again.

I do think he can protect himself better and I’m sure that’s something that’s going to be worked on but As I said many times I’m glad we have Goff and McVay. I think both QBs are where they should be

That’s me saying he can protect himself better something you’re conviently leaving out on your little self righteous induced rant

Like you’re also missing all the players that got hurt in college to get to the nfl and don’t get hurt again or vice versa. I never said his running style didn’t or don’t cause him to get hurt what I have said is to judge a guy off of a injury in college has nothing to do with his pro career if it isn’t the same injury. Bradford shoulder got messed up in college but it was his knees in the pros. You see how his shoulder wasn’t the problem but his knees were.
Go back read all your post and read my responses I used to respect you and your opinions even when we disagreed but I’m a grown ass man that treats everybody with respect in person or online.
 

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espn has a definition.....a defender within 1 yard of a completed pass...sounds about right

So Goff gets knocked because his receivers are open?

And....I blame the QB's he's worked with.

I think you're off base there given that Goff has actually been quite good in the redzone according to statistics.

It was about filming practices....and specifically several NEW plays Martz was putting in for the superbowl

No it wasn't, the Patriots filmed hand signals so they could relay information to Tom Brady after the 15 second cut off, because they knew what the opposing defensive coaches were telling their players. I believe at one point they also had a second headset in so the backup QB could give information when the play was live as well, but that might not have been confirmed. Either way the point of that was to give additional information to Tom Brady after the 15 second cutoff time.

I saw that too...right after the :15 second mark of the play clock...like someone told him something....and he's relaying it to the team.

And when there's 10 or 5 seconds? Or what about when Goff was literally pointing to where he wanted a receiver to go during a play for a TD? I'm also curious as to why you decided to ignore me telling you again that McVay wasn't calling audibles he was calling the play. Goff and McVay have already said so. The only one still on this is Chris Simms, rival fans and apparently you.

Watkins, Kupp, Higbee, Everett, Reynolds, and MIKE THOMAS

Hate to break it to you, but that's not their style. Kupp is the only one who can get there and he's not there yet, he's too young. Higbee, Everett, Reynolds, and Thomas have never shown they have the ability to come down with contested balls on a consistent basis, at least not yet. Watkins needs to stop being lazy on half his routes for me to think he can come down with contested balls. Given that lazy attempt that resulted in a pick against the Saints, I'm not seeing it. You're just naming off receivers not named Austin and you missed Woods who's probably our best possession receiver at this time (with Kupp quickly narrowing that gap).

Use your eyes....who looked better Sunday? Who looked more accurate?

I don't need to use my eyes, I can use science and math. Goff was more accurate, simple as that. Wentz looked great, I'm not going to say otherwise, but I thought Goff looked great too, and he did. He stood tall against unrelenting pressure and ended up being the best QB of the week when pressured. By the end of the day I was cemented in my happiness for Goff and frankly Wentz could have thrown for 600 yards and 10 TD's and I would have felt that way because Goff walked off the field at the end of the game and will walk back onto a field next week. Injury aside, I think they both played very well, the matchup was exactly as advertised in my opinion. Flashy plays don't get my rocks off because you can't count on flashy plays every week or every drive. How many flashy plays have we seen from the Steelers week in and week out during Big Bens prime? Plays that make you go "Holy shit, how did he do that?!"... How many for the Patriots? Sure they have been all over highlights, but how many times do you see Tom Brady do something and you say "Holy shit, how did he do that?" Not much, because Tom Brady isn't about flashy plays. He's about methodically driving down and beating you. You knock his head off, he comes right back and stands tall. You pick him off and he comes right back and throws it deep. You know, sort of like Goff, McVay and the Rams. If they can be half as successful as Brady and Bilicheat then the conversation isn't even close. And this isn't because I like the Patriots or anyone on that roster for that matter, but they win and they win by playing smart methodical football designed by a smart coach. They don't beat people with wow plays, they just beat them. Just like we've been doing.

And what happened the play after that? We had another play, no???

It was an incomplete pass to Kupp. It doesn't really matter though, because you can't discount that Goff threw a TD to Kupp for the win and Kupp dropped it. That happened and that's what matters. Frankly it was a bad game by the Rams all around.
 

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1. Teddy knee injury is way more severe then a acl injury how long has Teddy been out for his knee injury that’s why they went out and got Bradford because no one was even sure if he would be able to play football again.

Do you think if the Eagles had an injured Wentz on their roster at the time of the trade they would still make it?
 

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Do you think if the Eagles had an injured Wentz on their roster at the time of the trade they would still make it?
No not if it was just an acl injury. And especially not with them having a playoff birth Bradford would be their best choice
The Vikings had Super Bowl aspirations a Super Bowl level defense they made the trade for Bradford because they thought and assumed that he was their best choice in the window they had left to reach the Super Bowl.
 

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No not if it was just an acl injury. And especially not with them having a playoff birth Bradford would be their best choice
The Vikings had Super Bowl aspirations a Super Bowl level defense they made the trade for Bradford because they thought and assumed that he was their best choice in the window they had left to reach the Super Bowl.

Okay, I was just curious, I haven't really been following this string in the thread.:LOL:
 

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1. Teddy knee injury is way more severe then a acl injury how long has Teddy been out for his knee injury that’s why they went out and got Bradford because no one was even sure if he would be able to play football again.
I repeat:
If Bridgewater doesnt blow out his knee, the Eagles dont trade Bradford and Wentz doesnt play as a rookie.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/13/carson-wentz-undergoes-surgery/

Carson Wentz undergoes surgery
Posted by Charean Williams on December 13, 2017

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Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz underwent surgery Wednesday morning to repair the ACL in his left knee, via Chris Mortensen of ESPN. Dr. James Bradley, an orthopedic knee specialist based in Pittsburgh, performed the surgery.

Wentz was injured during Sunday’s victory over the Rams, and the Eagles placed him on injured reserve Tuesday.

In 13 games, Wentz went 11-2 and helped the Eagles to the NFC East title. He threw for 3,296 yards with 33 touchdowns and seven interceptions in an MVP-type season.
 

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I don't need to use my eyes, I can use science and math. Goff was more accurate, simple as that. Wentz looked great, I'm not going to say otherwise, but I thought Goff looked great too, and he did. He stood tall against unrelenting pressure and ended up being the best QB of the week when pressured. By the end of the day I was cemented in my happiness for Goff and frankly Wentz could have thrown for 600 yards and 10 TD's and I would have felt that way because Goff walked off the field at the end of the game and will walk back onto a field next week. Injury aside, I think they both played very well, the matchup was exactly as advertised in my opinion. Flashy plays don't get my rocks off because you can't count on flashy plays every week or every drive. How many flashy plays have we seen from the Steelers week in and week out during Big Bens prime? Plays that make you go "Holy crap, how did he do that?!"... How many for the Patriots? Sure they have been all over highlights, but how many times do you see Tom Brady do something and you say "Holy crap, how did he do that?" Not much, because Tom Brady isn't about flashy plays. He's about methodically driving down and beating you. You knock his head off, he comes right back and stands tall. You pick him off and he comes right back and throws it deep. You know, sort of like Goff, McVay and the Rams. If they can be half as successful as Brady and Bilicheat then the conversation isn't even close. And this isn't because I like the Patriots or anyone on that roster for that matter, but they win and they win by playing smart methodical football designed by a smart coach. They don't beat people with wow plays, they just beat them. Just like we've been doing.

Man... I couldn't have wrote that any better. EXACTLY where my head is at.

I love what I'm seeing. Absolutely love.
 

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Man... I couldn't have wrote that any better. EXACTLY where my head is at.

I love what I'm seeing. Absolutely love.

Same, that's why I get so excited about this team. It's not some flash in the pan trick like the wildcat, it's not relying on insane luck like Seattle with Wilson it's just good, solid, football.
 

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So Goff gets knocked because his receivers are open?
It wasn't a knock...It was a point being made....It's a stat...It's proven....His receivers are wide open most times. Except....
In the red zone....
Goff has actually been quite good in the redzone according to statistics.
Not true. Agree to disagree.
No it wasn't, the Patriots filmed hand signals so they could relay information to Tom Brady after the 15 second cut off, because they knew what the opposing defensive coaches were telling their players.
Again, agree to disagree....although this initially was the case. It appears the league was generally upset about the filming practices....although some type of filming was allowed. And the Pats were doing it the way it was always done...regarding the signals...the defensive signals. But they were supposed to stop. And didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy

What I believe they were penalized for....which is really cheating...Is the filming of the Rams walk-through the day before the super bowl...a Patriots employee claims he did this...the league says it probably didn't happen...because of....

Enter Matt Walsh, former Patriots video assistant in 2001 before being fired after the 2002 season. Just before Super Bowl XLII, Walsh went to the media saying he had information regarding the Patriots, but was held to a confidentiality agreement by the Patriots, which the Patriots would deny. On February 1st, three days before Super Bowl XLII, Walsh gave quotes to both the New York Times and ESPN.

Acting on this, the Boston Herald seemingly jumped to conclusions, and out of nowhere, published a story from, "an unnamed source" that the New England Patriots had videotaped the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI.

Following this accusation, NFL investigators immediately started looking into the allegations and found that indeed the Patriots video staff was at the Louisiana Superdome that day, but the video equipment had neither battery packs nor a power supply to run. A Patriots employee who was with Walsh at the walkthrough quoted Walsh as saying, "We should have taped that."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061258-fired-up-setting-the-record-straight-on-spygate

I believe Walsh...why lie?
http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-report-patriots-spygate-scandal-2015-9
Roger Goodell, then only 18 months into his role as NFL commissioner, fined Belichick $500,000, the Patriots $250,000, and docked the team a first-round pick before investigators ever even went to Foxborough to look for the tapes.

There, investigators found "a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others" with a "library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents' signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons."

However, as Van Natta and Wickersham report, "almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell's orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room."
And dudes wonder where Brady learned to smash his phone?
If you wanna believe it was only for defensive signals...a practice that was just recently (2007?) discontinued, go ahead.
I'm also curious as to why you decided to ignore me telling you again that McVay wasn't calling audibles he was calling the play. Goff and McVay have already said so. The only one still on this is Chris Simms, rival fans and apparently you.
Perhaps this is just semantics.....At 15 secs, we know the mic is off....At 15 sec of most plays, Jared's barking out orders....it could be the play, or it could be an audible....whatever it is, it appears he just got the instructions from McVay...

And this is just my personal peeve....I don't like it....doesn't make it bad...or nothing...I just think it delays growth...true growth.
Higbee, Everett, Reynolds, and Thomas have never shown they have the ability to come down with contested balls on a consistent basis, at least not yet. Watkins needs to stop being lazy on half his routes for me to think he can come down with contested balls.
All these guys can catch the ball....all are in the pros for a reason...contested catches are part of the game...you won't be wide open all the time.

Watkins lazy.....ok

Goff was more accurate, simple as that. Wentz looked great, I'm not going to say otherwise, but I thought Goff looked great too, and he did.
hmmm
Goff looked great....Wentz looked great...everybody gets an "A"....love it

How many flashy plays have we seen from the Steelers week in and week out during Big Bens prime? Plays that make you go "Holy crap, how did he do that?!"... How many for the Patriots? Sure they have been all over highlights, but how many times do you see Tom Brady do something and you say "Holy crap, how did he do that?"
I saw a throw Brady made vs the Dolphins...bout to get hit....threw an arching pass, right on a dime....as the receiver ran under it....put it right on his hands...incredible pass...play...They do it every game....if you're looking closely. Ben does it too....What's your point?