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Draft talk, mocks, prospects

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by -X-, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure. He could but I still think Jenkins can be a great outside CB.
     
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  2. rams24/7 Well-Known Member

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    Do you have your eyes on any CBs with inside out potential (particularly in the slot) in this years draft? Are there any guys this year like Tyrann Mathieu, that we could find in the mid rounds? I like some of the top CBs in the draft, but I can't see Fish giving up on Jenks and Tru on the outside this soon.
     
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  3. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys, I guess it's draft season again. I wanted to throw a mock up with a situation where we took Clowney. This may not be popular but I think Clowney is as good of a talent at DE as you'll find. Don't let the "red flags" deter you. This is a 6'6" 275 pound DE with 4.5 speed and the strength to put OLs on their arse. We have arguably the best DL Coach in the NFL. It's a match made in heaven.

    Anyways, here's a few of the moves I'd make:
    Fire
    DC Tim Walton

    Hire
    DC Derek Mason

    Analysis: I gave Walton the chance to prove to me that he was worth keeping and he proved to me that he was in over his head. He's installed an ineffective zone scheme that our players can't execute and don't get me started on everything else. Derek Mason is the defensive coordinator of the Stanford Cardinals. He worked with the Vikings as a DB Coach before going to Stanford in 2010 and also interned with the Rams during 90s. He's still young(early 40s) and has been lauded for his adjustments, ability to disguise looks and his prep work. His Stanford defenses have impressed the hell out of me.

    Re-sign
    Rodger Saffold OT/OG - Contract laden with escalators related to health
    Jo-Lonn Dunbar OLB - Fairly cheap re-signing but he brings aggressiveness and swagger to our D

    Release
    Cortland Finnegan CB
    Harvey Dahl OG
    Kendall Langford DT
    Scott Wells C

    Free Agency
    Jon Asamoah OG

    Trade
    Chris Long to the Raiders for a 2nd and a 5th

    Analysis: We save a significant chunk of change by trading Long. The Raiders have a ridiculous amount of cap room and sorely need a pass rushing DE. It's a win-win trade that happens on draft day.

    NFL Draft
    http://www.draftnikcentral.com/dream-draft/view.cfm?id=120
    Round 1 Pick #2 - JaDeveon Clowney DE South Carolina

    Round 1 Pick #13 - Mike Evans WR Texas A&M

    Round 2 Pick #6 - Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh

    Round 2 Pick #13 - LaMarcus Joyner FS/CB Florida State

    Round 3 Pick #13 - E.J. Gaines CB Missouri

    Round 4 Pick #13 - David Fales QB San Jose State

    Round 5 Pick #6 - Ja'Wuan James OT/OG Tennessee
    Round 5 Pick #13 - Ryan Carrethers DT/NT Arkansas State
    Round 6 Pick #13 - Denicos Allen OLB Michigan State
    Round 7 Pick #13 - Spencer Long OG Nebraska
    UDFA Choice - D.J. Adams HB Portland State (Had 11 TDs as a freshman at Maryland...new Maryland HC hated him so he transferred...put up 1600 yards and 19 TDs this year)

    Projected Starters
    QB: Sam Bradford
    HB: Zac Stacy
    FB: Cory Harkey
    XWR: Mike Evans
    ZWR: Stedman Bailey
    SLWR: Tavon Austin
    TE: Jared Cook
    LT: Jake Long
    LG: Rodger Saffold
    C: Tim Barnes vs. Barrett Jones
    RG: Jon Asamoah
    RT: Joe Barksdale

    LDE: JaDeveon Clowney
    LDT: Aaron Donald
    RDT: Michael Brockers
    RDE: Robert Quinn
    WLB: Alec Ogletree
    MLB: James Laurinaitis
    SLB: Jo-Lonn Dunbar
    RCB: Janoris Jenkins
    LCB: Trumaine Johnson
    SLCB: E.J. Gaines
    FS: LaMarcus Joyner
    SS: T.J. McDonald

    K: Greg Zuerlein
    P: Johnny Hekker

    So...thoughts?(I'm sure some will hate the Long trade/Clowney pick)
     
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  4. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Funny you ask, LaMarcus Joyner from FSU is probably my favorite DB in this draft in terms of value. He can play either FS or slot CB. Plays a lot like the Honey Badger and hits EXTREMELY hard. Was one of the best safeties in CFB in 2012 and one of the hardest hitters. FSU needed him to play slot CB this year and he's excelled there as well.
     
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  5. A55VA6 Shutdown Corner

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    Very very interesting jrry32. This is gonna be a fun offseason!!
     
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  6. Username Has a Well-Known Member

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    jrry32 for President.
     
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  7. BonifayRam Well-Known Member

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    Wow jrry32.... just discussing the DL here ....you sure are offering up some very big changes to this DL here in this mock. I see what you have done here & it has taken you some time to work this out very clever! :sly: You better hope that the Raiders do not get any of the film of Long vs Winston from that Cards game or you will not get any draft picks for Chris Long! Winston beat Long all day long. Pathetic effort by long but he was being held on most every play!:mad:

    These two NT's you get for the Chris Long trade??? not the normal fisher type interior DT's are they.. mock 2nd rder Aaron Donald 5-11 285 & 5th rder Ryan Carrethers 6-1 330 pounder along with 1st rder DE Clowney guess you feel this DL needs some serious improvements! ...not bad.

    jrry32 If you dump the starting 6-6 311 Kendall Langford after the very good season ....I question this ... just looks to be very hard. I can easily see the probable release of our 4th DT Cudjo and his $1,075,000 salary in 2014 myself. Cudjo has not been seen since wk 10 & has been inactive for over 3 weeks. While the Rams have quietly move away from Cudjo they in the same manner have moved in with the 6-7 300 pound Conrath as our top rotational interior DL'er. Conrath will cost less than half what Cudjo does. But staying with your mock..

    Jrry32 mock Rams 2014 DL will have a new much younger look....
    DT/NT- Brockers- Donald(R)- Carrethers(R)
    DT/DE- Hayes- Sims- Conrath(2nd yr)- Brodine(2nd yr)
    DE- Quinn- Rivers(2nd yr)- Crowney(R)- Brown(2nd yr)

    Likely starters
    RDE- Quinn/Rivers/Brown
    DT- Hayes/#2-Donald/Conrath/

    DT- Brockers/ #5-Carrethers/Brodine
    LDE- #1-Clowney/Sims

    I am fine with your trade of CL for two DC #2 & #5 & replacing him with DE Clowney & adding Donald & Carrethers.
     
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  8. duckhunter Active Member

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    Come on guys. Step right up and flame away.:woot:

    I think it's fun to look at these out of the box options. I don't see it happening and I think Snisher avoids the controversy this option brings to stick with a more conservative approach and trade down/fill gaps with good ole scouting acumen. Fingers still burning from those two 2nd round picks two years ago and unsure of how their move up is viewed. They're swashbucklers, all right, and may be limited by the cap situation they put themselves in, but this may be more than they can pull off or willing to take on.

    Thanks for at least broadening the horizon. Snisher would at least have to consider how to do the Clowney pick.
     
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  9. diehard99 New Member

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    Has Clowney ever taken snaps from the left side? You could just cut Simms and have Clowney take his snaps plus move him inside like Fisher used to do with Jones in tenessee. Long---Brockers----Clowney----Quinn
    Langford
     
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  10. max Well-Known Member

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    I am a proponent of always taking the great player regardless of position. So if they evaluate that Clowney is just that, I support taking him.

    Quinn wasn't as good as Clowney and had similar questions about him, he didn't even play his senior year. Turned out to be a great move with the right coach.
     
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  11. A55VA6 Shutdown Corner

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    Imagine Quinn and Clowney off the edge. Holy crap.
     
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  12. NERamsFan Member

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    Okay fellas, here's a stab at the most unlikely, but boner-popping mock off-season and draft:jerkoff::wow::D

    Cut: Dahl RG
    Wells C
    Finnegan CB
    Langford DT

    Resign: Dunbar LB on the cheap
    Saffold RG

    (agree with jrry32 on these moves)

    Big free agent splash: Byrd FS no secret, we all want him and know what he brings to the team, talent and leadership-wise

    Draft (With us having the first overall pick):

    TRADE!! Our #1 overall to Cleveland for their top 5 pick and Indy's first rounder, along with their 2nd round pick. I'm not looking for next year's one bc that is too valuable of a pick for them for moving up a few spots and they won't let it go. I know the skins did it, but the way the RGknee trade has worked out, gm's will be hesitant to throw in future firsts for a qb.

    Alright, here we go (also, I'm assuming we are a top 10 pick:peek:):

    Round 1: Cleveland's pick: Jake Matthews LT
    St. Louis' pick: Blake Bortles QB (I know, I know he probably won't make it this far down but this is MY fantasy!!:sly:)
    Indy's pick: Dennard CB

    Round 2: Cleveland's pick: Donald DT
    St. Louis' pick: Zack Martin OG

    Round 3-7: BPA at key needs (apologize, haven't really studied guys for these rounds yet)

    Projected Starters
    QB: Bradford/ Bortles (sits on bench for whole year and learns or comes in to finish season)
    HB: Zac Stacy
    FB: Cory Harkey
    XWR: Givens/Quick
    ZWR: Stedman Bailey
    SLWR: Tavon Austin
    TE: Jared Cook
    LT: Jake Long
    LG: Martin
    C: Tim Barnes vs. Barrett Jones
    RG: Roger Saffold
    RT: Jake Matthews

    LDE: Chris Long
    LDT: Aaron Donald
    RDT: Michael Brockers
    RDE: Robert Quinn
    WLB: Alec Ogletree
    MLB: James Laurinaitis
    SLB: Jo-Lonn Dunbar
    RCB: Dennard
    LCB: Trumaine Johnson
    SLCB: Janoris Jenkins
    FS: Jarius Byrd
    SS: T.J. McDonald

    K: Greg Zuerlein
    P: Johnny Hekker

    (A big thank you to jrry32 for this layout:bigup:)

    GO ahead!! flame away:juiced::juiced:
     
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  13. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather take a receiver with the Bortles pick, but other than that looks fine to me.
     
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  14. NERamsFan Member

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    Thanks for the response, man. While I wouldn't mind maybe looking at Evans or Watkins with one of our firsts, I think it'd be too early in the draft at Bortles' pick to consider a wideout. While I'm not sold on Givens as much as last year, I think we give him one more year on the outside with Bailey on the other side. Quick is what he is, a big receiver with the POTENTIAL to be great so I say give him one more year too to prove himself. If we do select Watkins or Evans, I wouldn't be mad, but I do believe better qb play can mask some of these guys' weaknesses. I just think Bortles will be a franchise qb who needs just a little more seasoning. Why not take the opportunity to select our future qb and our future left tackle in the same draft? :D He can sit behind Bradford on the depth chart and if he shows he's got ability to start right away and excel, why not consider moving on from Bradford? know there are a lot of Bradford fans out there, (including me to an extent), but the idea of moving on seems to scare people. I've already shared my feelings on him in this board so I won't dive into it again, but I think Bortles has a chance to be a STUD.

    Then again, if Bortles decides to stay in school, I wouldn't mind the whole mock draft but instead, having Matthews with Cleveland's first and Watkins/Evans with our first.

    PLEAS GOD LET US HAVE THE 1ST OVERALL PICK!!!:cool:
     
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  15. duckhunter Active Member

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    I like the players but it was only a wet dream. :nau:
     
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  16. HitStick Active Member

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    I'm going Madden status.

    Sign Byrd/Saffold

    Trade 3rd or 4th for Blackmon (Fish can handle him and one has to think Jags would want to get SOMETHING for him before its too late)

    Draft Mike Evans.
     
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  17. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    I'm no QB expert and I haven't even seen that much of Bortles, but it makes absolutely no sense to draft a QB in the mid first round unless you're going to start him immediately in today's NFL. That would mean that either our FO has already given up on Bradford or there's a prospect that is just so good that we believe that he would provide an immediate upgrade over him. Like I said, I've only seen a little of Bortles, but I wasn't that impressed, and I'm pretty sure he would be getting a lot more hype right now if people believed he was that kind of prospect.
     
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  18. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    I like it. I love Bortles but I'm still not sure how I feel about taking him because I still support Bradford. The Cleveland trade seems like a lot. It's possible though.

    I don't think he has had a very good season. He's had some nice plays but teams have run most successfully at him and Chris Long. I just don't think he's worth what he's getting paid and I think Donald can be game changer. It would give us four starting DLs that give teams absolute fits when they're not doubled.
     
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  19. NERamsFan Member

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    Funny you mentioned that tidbit about the trade with Cleveland. I thought it was a bit much myself for them to give up that much, but hey if you want the top guy you have to give up some premium picks sometimes. I do believe they have a few multiple round selections tho so the loss of a second wouldn't be that brutal. In any case, I'd throw in our forth, or even third, to get that deal done.

    Sorry man but hype doesn't mean squat. Just look at all the Reggie Bush's and Matt Leinart's of the world. Hype is for media outlets to boost draft ratings and glam up the whole draft process by having fans focus on "can't miss" prospects. Case in point, Russell Wilson, who didn't receive crazy hype coming out of college and look how he's turned out. Another interesting thing to consider too is that I've read those close to NFL scouts and executives say these guys have had their eyes on Bortles for a while and have come to recognize his talents a lot earlier than many draft outlets. He's someone who will FLY up draft boards if he comes out.

    And finally, don't forget about the Aaron Rogers/Kap model. It's okay to sit a guy a year to have him learn the system without getting him killed. It would allow our line to gel and become a cohesive unit, limiting the risk of our future qb from being blasted and shell-shocked, ala Bulger and too some extent, Bradford. And if he shows he's ready to play ball right away, maybe we can dangle Bradford during training camp to a team that missed out on a qb and get something in return, if not, cut his huge salary. I know it's wishful dreaming, at least for me, but I'd love to have Bortles and Matthews become our cornerstones in key positions together, and have the extra cap from Sam's release to sign our other home-grown talent.

    Again, it's a pipe dream in its ultimate definition, but a guy can dream, right??!!:razz::razz:
     
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  20. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Not really. He's coming from a smaller school and the media are notoriously late on those type of prospects. I've had him on my radar for over a year and I'd expect the same from the NFL guys even if they don't rate him as highly. But if we want to talk hype...
    I'll stop there. Point is that there's definitely hype. I've made an effort to watch almost every single game this year because I thought he was a first round talent when watching him last year. He's become a bit of a mancrush for me but this kid is definitely going to get a lot of play when he comes out. Whether it's this year or next year, he's a first round talent.
     
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