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Draft talk, mocks, prospects

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by -X-, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. -X-

    -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    All,

    If you wouldn't mind, please keep all mock drafts, talk about college prospects, and draft talk in this thread until such a time that the season is over. There are lots of people who don't really care about prognosticating about the draft in the middle of the season. As a compromise, I can offer you a dedicated thread here instead of redirecting everything to OT. Pretty fair, I think.

    The moment the season is over, we can go ahead and talk about all of that stuff ad nauseum, because that's really the only thing to talk about anyway. But for the duration, I would appreciate it if we could streamline all that talk and keep the focus of this (Rams-NFL Talk) forum on the Rams and the rest of the NFL.

    Cool?

    Thanks.
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  2. Rams and Gators

    Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    Is discussion of how much Washington sucks allowed outside the thread?
  3. -X-

    -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    Of course. That's NFL Talk.

    Once we get into who we're going to select with their pick, or which players are going to be available in the draft with their projected record right now, then it becomes draft talk. I'm not trying to be rigid or anything. I'd just rather not have multiple threads dedicated to the draft before the season is over. A lot of people just aren't in that mode yet. Even if we're technically mathematically eliminated right now, it's still a drag to jump over 4 weeks of football and focus on April.
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    max Well-Known Member

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  5. duckhunter

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    I'm probably in the minority but I like Lee. He run routes well and has good hands. He'll be the 3rd WR taken after Evans and Watkins.

    I like Evans over Watkins because of his strong hands. Evans has tailed off these last few games and my guy EJ Gaines shut him down last Saturday. Evans is a bull and he usually always outfights for the ball. His shielding is unbelievable. You need to work a lot of angles with him as opposed to jump ball stuff.
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    Tron Fights for the User

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    Currently debating which Cb's i like and want the rams to take. Who are your guy's fav's?

    I already know duckhunter like Gaines, and a lot of others do too since a lot of you are Zou fans.

    Right now i am really liking Darquze Dennard from MSU and Pierre Desir from Lindenwood. Verrett is still strong on my list.
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    A55VA6 Playoffs?

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    As for WR i like Evans, Watkins, and Lee far more than any other WR's in the draft. IF the Rams draft a WR, it's gotta be 1 of these guys. Lee reminds me of Dez Bryant a little bit.
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    Justin Gilbert, Okl St, has a nice blend of size and speed. He's a returner supreme, tied a Barry Sanders record for returning. Plays the big men well and fights for the ball.

    Verrett may be a bit small to play the outside. We'll have to see his height and weight but he blankets guys.

    Actually, quite a few good CBs this year. No top ten guys but plenty of depth mid 1st to third round.
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    Justin Gilbert, Okl St, has a nice blend of size and speed. He's a returner supreme, tied a Barry Sanders record for returning. Plays the big men well and fights for the ball.

    Verrett may be a bit small to play the outside. We'll have to see his height and weight but he blankets guys.

    Actually, quite a few good CBs this year. No top ten guys but plenty of depth mid 1st to third round.
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    Agamemnon Well-Known Member

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    Hey, Max. Does he say anything about offensive taclkes?
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    As of yesterday, after watching defenders push our receivers around and Bolden push our defenders around, after observing the duo of Marshall and Jeffery,I officially want Mike Evans. Think about the possibilities with 6'5 Evans and 6'3 Quick on the outside -- we could have one of the most physical threats in the NFL.
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    Thank you for this, X!!!
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    Real quick:

    cut: Dahl, Wells, Finn, Langford
    resign: Saffold, dunbar, williams
    sign: Byrd, cheap DT plugin (or wait till draft)

    1.a. Matthews
    b. Blake Bortles/trade down/Top BPA player at DT, CB or LG
    2-7: BPA

    Still studying up on the prospects. Admittedly, have only been focusing on top 15 prospects

    Real basic, but we're not that far off! Still not sold on Bradford like I was when we first selected him. GO ahead and fire away!! I'm ready:juiced:
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    Jake Mathews OT Texas A&M

    TALENT BOARD ROUND 1

    STRENGTHSJake is a technically sound offensive lineman with excellent mental toughness. He shows on film good quick feet and strength. He is smart and does an equally good job pass blocking and run blocking. Jake shows leadership qualities through his play on the field. His quick feet allow him to set up quickly when pass blocking and gives him the ability to recover when he gets beat off the edge against a speed rusher. Jake’s football intelligence helps him to understand when and how an opponent is trying to set him up for a move later in the game and this allows him to be better prepared and anticipate when that move will be tried against him. He has the athletic talents, intelligence and machismo to play more than one position for you on the offensive line at a very high level and this versatility is something every team needs for its team to be successful at the next level.

    CONCERNS
    Jake doesn’t have the lateral agility you would like to see in a pure left tackle, but he does have some lateral agility. This makes him more of a “systems” Left Tackle in spite of the fact he plays in a spread offense right now. A vertical play action offense would fit his talents very well, but a spread offense at the next level might give him more problems than it does at the college level. He is a good run blocker, but he has the talent to be much better. He needs to fire out quicker and stay with his blocks longer. I don’t think this is a big problem, but out of a two point stance in a spread offense he seems to get frustrated when run blocking because he can’t get to his blocks with the power he would like to hit with.

    BOTTOM LINE
    Jake is the type of offensive lineman every team needs on its roster to be successful. He can play more than one position on the defensive line and play them all at a high level because of his football intelligence and excellent techniques. I like his mental toughness to stay with those techniques when he gets beat. He doesn’t panic and commit penalties. I like his leadership qualities and that he enjoys a challenge and wants to be considered one of the best. The pocket this year for his Quarterback is far more secure than it was last year. You don’t see the quarterback leaving the pocket so soon because of him not being able to trust his blind side. There is a lot more passing being done from the pocket this year compared to last year. That’s because Jake has the confidence of his quarterback to protect his blind side. Jake has played left and right tackle and I know he can play any of the guard positions if needed because he is quick out of his stance and has the strength and techniques. I would work him out at center and see if he can make all the snaps just to see if he could play all five positions on the offensive line. Jake should be drafted early in this draft because he can play left tackle and because of his versatility. I call him Jake (Macho Man) Mathews because he has just enough strength and aggression in his play to be a successful offensive lineman for the next level.

    Drew Boylhart Dec/2013


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    Taylor Lewan OT Michigan

    TALENT BOARD ROUND 1

    STRENGTHS
    Taylor has excellent athletic talent to be a Pro Bowl right tackle for the next level. He has excellent size and upper body strength as well as strong leadership skills. He works well with his line mates and shows the mental stamina needed to succeed at the next level. Taylor’s athletic talents overall are solid. He has good feet, strong hands and uses solid techniques when he gets his hands on his opponent. He has decent quickness out of his stance, but his true strength is his ability to never to give up and to recover mentally when he struggles. Taylor could play Left Tackle for the team that uses a vertical play action type of offensive system (in a pinch), but his impact position for the next level will be at the Right Tackle position and he should be a good one. He reminds me a lot of Brian Bulaga (OT Packers), only bigger.

    CONCERNS
    Taylor is much improved over last year in his conditioning and that alone has improved his overall play. He still has to become more consistent. He needs to study his opponents -- their strengths and weaknesses -- and rely less on the fact that he is bigger than most players he goes up against. He struggles to move his feet once engaged with his opponent and relies on his upper body strength too much. When he does this, he loses balance and leverage which is why he doesn’t finish his blocks when run blocking as well as loses his man when pass blocking. He has decent feet, but he lacks the lateral agility to be a pure left tackle at the next level. Once he gets it through his head to move his feet more once he engages his opponent, his run and pass blocking will become more consistent. A drill he should work hard on is to run up the steps and DOWN the steps of the stadium to get his feet and mind moving together. The quicker he learns to go down the steps, the better he will be moving his feet. That foot movement will transfer to his blocking skills and improve consistency on the field.

    BOTTOM LINE
    Taylor gets frustrated in a game when he starts to get tired and feels he is getting beat. This happens because he relies too much on his upper body and not enough on his lower body once he gets engaged. He is very susceptible to swim moves because just before he run blocks, he drops his head into his opponent’s chest which lowers his body, gets him off balance and makes it easy to swim around him into the backfield. All of that is correctable and Taylor has the attitude to correct it, but he will need good coaching and he will have to believe in new techniques and use them on every down, even when he gets beat. He will also have to accept the fact that all good offensive linemen get beat and have bad games. He must learn to turn the page, stay with his techniques, keep his balance, keep his head up and commit to his blocks mentally when he goes to the second level. Taylor has the potential to be an excellent right tackle. He has the leadership skills and in the new pass happy, pass catching NFL, right tackles are becoming almost as important as left tackles because more and more of them are not being covered up on third and long downs. A playoff team has to be looking hard at drafting Taylor in the first round, I would think. I don’t think for a moment he will last until the second round and I would be looking at drafting him in the first if I was playoff team.

    Drew Boylhart Dec/2013
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    My Mock Draft (rd 1-7)
    Pick 5 (Via WAS) - Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
    Pick 14 - Hasean Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
    Pick 46 - Trent Murphy, OLB, Stanford
    Pick 78 - AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
    Pick 110 - Shaq Evans, WR, UCLA
    Pick 142 - Spencer Long, G, Nebraska
    Pick 174 - Chris Coyle, TE, Arizona State
    Pick 206 - Ashton Dorsey, DT, Lamar
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    Whoops, just saw the sticky thread. Delete.
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    You guys know how much I love the draft which means getting started early and keep on trucking until May. Before I unveil it, I wanted to cover a few things that I have happening.

    Cut
    Cortland Finnegan
    Scott Wells
    Harvey Dahl

    Key Re-Signings
    Rodger Saffold
    Jo-Lonn Dunbar

    Trades
    Rams trade:
    #3

    Browns trade:
    #7
    2nd(#7)

    Rams trade:
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    Saints trade:
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    2nd(#30)

    Explanation: Bridgewater and Clowney go #1 and #2. Rams shop the pick around to a few teams and the Browns decide they will move up for Derek Carr. Carr has the tools for Norv's offense and his biggest issues are things that Norv excels at fixing(footwork and mechanics).

    The Saints have a nice year but feel they need a big time piece on defense. Rob Ryan salivates over the idea of Khalil Mack in his 3-4. Mack has a versatile skill-set with the ability to get after the passer at OLB. This is something the Saints would love to have. They move up over a few teams that are a threat to take the versatile Mack.

    NFL Draft
    http://www.draftnikcentral.com/dream-draft/view.cfm?id=116
    Round 1 Pick #7 - Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
    Round 1 Pick #30 - Cedric Ogbuehi T/G Texas A&M
    Round 2 Pick #7 - LaMarcus Joyner CB/S FSU
    Round 2 Pick #15 - Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
    Round 2 Pick #30 - Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
    Round 3 Pick #15 - Morgan Moses T Virginia
    Round 4 Pick #15 - David Fales QB San Jose State
    Round 5 Pick #15 - Andrew Jackson SLB Western Kentucky
    Round 6 Pick #15 - Victor Hampton CB South Carolina
    Round 7 Pick #15 - Spencer Long G Nebraska

    Projected Starters
    QB: Sam Bradford
    HB: Zac Stacy
    FB: Cory Harkey
    XWR: Mike Evans
    ZWR: Stedman Bailey
    SLWR: Tavon Austin(starts in 2 WR sets)
    TE: Jared Cook
    LT: Jake Long
    LG: Cedric Ogbuehi
    C: Tim Barnes/Barrett Jones
    RG: Rodger Saffold
    RT: Joe Barksdale

    LDE: Chris Long
    LDT: Kendall Langford(until Donald overtakes him)
    RDT: Michael Brockers
    RDE: Robert Quinn
    WLB: Alec Ogletree
    MLB: James Laurinaitis
    SLB: Jo-Lonn Dunbar
    RCB: Janoris Jenkins
    LCB: Trumaine Johnson
    SLCB: LaMarcus Joyner
    FS: Calvin Pryor/Rodney McLeod
    SS: T.J. McDonald

    K: Greg Zuerlein
    P: John Hekker

    It's nice that in this mock, for the first time in quite a few years, I don't have like 6 rookies having to start at different positions. :lol:

    I think it shows how far we've come. If we re-sign Rodger and Jo-Lonn, the only spots that NEED filling in the STARTING line-up(we do need a lot of depth) are FS, slot CB(not technically a starting job but basically is), LG and #1 WR.

    And McLeod and Quick could realistically battle for the FS and #1 WR jobs.

    Feel free to tear it to shreds. Haha.
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    BTW, if there's one under-appreciated name in my mock that you guys need to watch, it's Aaron Donald from Pittsburgh. I can't even begin to explain how excited this guy made me when I flipped on his first game of film. Now I gotta go jump in deeper. His balance is exceptional, he can get skinny through gaps and swat the OL's arms down like it's nothing(main weapon is the swim but he uses clubs and rips as well), he has plus burst/speed for a DT and he attacks the half man as well as anyone in this class. His arm length is acceptable despite his short stature(I'd say 32-33 inches) and he's a surprisingly tough player to move in the run game...uses his natural leverage, exceptional balance and strong lower base well to anchor.
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    I think when it's all said and done, McCarron will be a late first round, early second round pick. I also think that the Rams will use one first round pick on a defensive player (very possibly Nix) and one on an offensive player, likely a lineman.