Dilfer/Kiper/Mort on the Risks & Rewards of Drafting Manziel

[RamBill]

ESPN's Trent Dilfer, Mel Kiper Jr. and Chris Mortensen discuss the risks and rewards involved with drafting QB Johnny Manziel, and how his game will translate to the NFL. (3:54)

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[OnceARam]

Good points all around... I can't wait to watch the kid play ball.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Good points all around... I can't wait to watch the kid play ball.

Put me in the category that thinks Manziel could be good in the NFL.

I see the flaws in his game. He might not hold up if he plays too freely. But he'll make plays out of nothing.

 

[DR RAM]

Put me in the category that thinks Manziel could be good in the NFL.

I see the flaws in his game. He might not hold up if he plays too freely. But he'll make plays out of nothing.

Players are so much faster, and aware, all around in the NFL. I don't think he's R. Wilson.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Players are so much faster, and aware, all around in the NFL. I don't think he's R. Wilson.

Yeah, but Russell Wilson wasn't Russell Wilson until the NFL discovered such a player could be successful.

I think JM is a better arm talent then RW, too.

 

[DR RAM]

Yeah, but Russell Wilson wasn't Russell Wilson until the NFL discovered such a player could be successful.

I think JM is a better arm talent then RW, too.

It's not really what I meant, but I agree with your point. I think R. Wilson was a much better college football player than J. Football. He's thicker, and a better athlete too.

 

[CGI_Ram]

It's not really what I meant, but I agree with your point. I think R. Wilson was a much better college football player than J. Football. He's thicker, and a better athlete too.

I agree he's thicker, and that helps. But what really impresses me is he doesn't get hit. Big difference between him and RG3, who's an absolute hit magnet.

That said, I'm looking forward to seeing Russell forced to win when it's on his arm to do it. He has a HUGE advantage playing behind that defense.

 

[iced]

Yeah, but Russell Wilson wasn't Russell Wilson until the NFL discovered such a player could be successful.

I think JM is a better arm talent then RW, too.

RW also had one of the top defenses in the nfl and a top league rushing offense to help him,despite his anemic post season production (by qb standards).

JM won't be so lucky,imo.he may get one (defense and rush offense),but not both

 

[-X-]

Yeah, but Russell Wilson wasn't Russell Wilson until the NFL discovered such a player could be successful.

I think JM is a better arm talent then RW, too.

Russell Wilson isn't even Russell Wilson (in terms of the legend people have built him up to be).

His last 7 games:

15 of 25 199 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
18 of 27 206 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
11 of 27 108 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
15 of 23 172 Yds 1 TD 0 INT
9 of 18 103 Yds 0 TD 0 INT
16 of 25 215 Yds 1 TD 0 INT
18 of 25 206 Yds 2 TD 0 INT

I think it's funny when people discount how truly beneficial it is to have a defense and running game like the one by which he's surrounded.

 

[OnceARam]

Put me in the category that thinks Manziel could be good in the NFL.

I see the flaws in his game. He might not hold up if he plays too freely. But he'll make plays out of nothing.

Yeah bro. He'll definitely be fun to watch. Hope he doesn't get killed though.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Russell Wilson isn't even Russell Wilson (in terms of the legend people have built him up to be).

His last 7 games:

15 of 25 199 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
18 of 27 206 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
11 of 27 108 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
15 of 23 172 Yds 1 TD 0 INT
9 of 18 103 Yds 0 TD 0 INT
16 of 25 215 Yds 1 TD 0 INT
18 of 25 206 Yds 2 TD 0 INT

I think it's funny when people discount how truly beneficial it is to have a defense and running game like the one by which he's surrounded.

I'm with you on that.

He's smart. So he's been successful on that team.

But... As the cap squeezes them... Can RW win games with his arm? I think the jury is still out.

 

[DR RAM]

Russell Wilson isn't even Russell Wilson (in terms of the legend people have built him up to be).

His last 7 games:

15 of 25 199 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
18 of 27 206 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
11 of 27 108 Yds 1 TD 1 INT
15 of 23 172 Yds 1 TD 0 INT
9 of 18 103 Yds 0 TD 0 INT
16 of 25 215 Yds 1 TD 0 INT
18 of 25 206 Yds 2 TD 0 INT

I think it's funny when people discount how truly beneficial it is to have a defense and running game like the one by which he's surrounded.

But you also have to factor in how many of those games that they won. He knows how to play safe and not blow, or give away games...I like that. Can Manziel do that? I don't think he's programmed to. I wouldn't say, or even think about Wilson as a legend. He walked onto a pretty damn good team.

edit: I just re-read this, and threw up in my mouth.

 

[-X-]

But you also have to factor in how many of those games that they won.

That's exactly my point. You can win with those numbers.

 

[DR RAM]

That's exactly my point. You can win with those numbers.

You sure can. I would go as far to say that you might usually win with those numbers. If those are the only attempts in a game.

Unless you are behind in the game, and trying to lose.