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Credit the Seahawks,from what I can see, their secondary literally commits penalties on every play, and they dare the refs to blow their whistle. They will gladly exchange 3 or 4 penalties a game and maul you the rest of the game while the zebras swallow their whistles. The young Rams were a little intimidated by that. Too bad the refs don’t call them on that crap, everyone continues to fawn over how “great” they are. See you in Seattle punks
 

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Credit the Seahawks,from what I can see, their secondary literally commits penalties on every play, and they dare the refs to blow their whistle. They will gladly exchange 3 or 4 penalties a game and maul you the rest of the game while the zebras swallow their whistles. The young Rams were a little intimidated by that. Too bad the refs don’t call them on that crap, everyone continues to fawn over how “great” they are. See you in Seattle punks
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The NFL does not officiate uniformly by any sense of the word. The Seahawk secondary held on nearly every passing play and their offensive line can somehow put our rushers in headlocks from behind without the refs doing a thing about it.
 

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I don't understand why they allow the shecocks defenders to hold and interfere just about every time with no flags.

When I turned on the game in Houston last night and watched flags fly for the tiniest touches by CBs... it was like I was watching a completely different game.

Total Bullshit
 

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I felt Pete Carroll was working the officials all game long from his sideline. Not sure that influenced any calls, but he was working it the whole game.
 

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I felt Pete Carroll was working the officials all game long from his sideline. Not sure that influenced any calls, but he was working it the whole game.

That's Carroll's M.O., he's always in the officials ear all game along, but if they are not calling one side for holding, then the the other side should be able to hold too.
 
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NFL officials are completely unaccountable. Some of them are so bad they blatantly blow calls every game they officiate without any accountalbility. NFL front office just keeps letting them get away with it.

That last drive of the Rams every one of the officails turned a blind eye to the flagrant holding. Seahawks backfield played like they knew there were no officials on the field and they could do what they wanted.
 

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That's Carroll's M.O., he's always in the officials ear all game along, but if they are not calling one side for holding, then the the other side should be able to hold too.

Although this is so true..... the next week we are expected to go back to playing the way the rules indicate that we should.... while in the meantime Seattle continues they're tour around the NFL of holding and pass interference. ....and make no mistake.... letting them play....by not adhering to rules definitely favors the seachickens....as they are used to playing by those rules......that being said we almost beat them anyway.... watch out Seattle.... we are coming to your house later this season to kick you a#s....;)

Go Rams....... ;)
 

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I felt Pete Carroll was working the officials all game long from his sideline. Not sure that influenced any calls, but he was working it the whole game.
Here's some evidence to support that idea. I'm pretty sure this was posted here a while back..
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-coaches-yell-at-refs-because-it-freakin-works/

JAN. 13, 2017 AT 4:39 PM
NFL Coaches Yell At Refs Because It Freakin’ Works
By Noah Davis and Michael Lopez


Similar plays led to different outcomes that benefited the team on the sideline closest to the on-field action. Most NFL refs would likely say they are immune any sideline bias. “If I make a call because a coach is screaming at me on one side of the field and it’s wrong, that’s a bad day for me,” former NFL official Scott Green told us. (The NFL declined to comment.)

But as it turns out, a sideline bias in the NFL is real, and it’s spectacular. To prove it, we looked at the rates at which refs call the NFL’s most severe penalties, including defensive pass interference, aggressive infractions like personal fouls and unnecessary roughness, and offensive holding calls, based on where the offensive team ran its play.

For three common penalties, the direction of the play — that is, whether it’s run toward the offensive or defensive team’s sideline — makes a significant difference. In other words, refs make more defensive pass interference calls on the offensive team’s sideline but more offensive holding calls on the defensive team’s sideline. What’s more, these differences aren’t uniform across the field — the effect only shows up on plays run, roughly, between the 32-yard lines, the same space where coaches and players are allowed to stand during play.

The following graphs show the penalty rates per 1,000 plays for defensive pass interference and aggressive defensive penalties, which include unnecessary roughness, personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, and horse-collar tackles.

lopez-sideline-1.png

Refs throw flags for defensive infractions at significantly higher rates when plays are run in the direction of the offensive team’s sideline; near midfield, defensive penalties are called about 50 percent more often on the offensive team’s sideline than the defensive team’s. Close to the end zone, where the sidelines are supposed to be free of coaches and players, these differences are negligible.

For offensive flags, that association is reversed, at least on holding penalties. Here’s the rate of holding calls made on outside run plays, which shows how the defensive team’s sideline can help draw flags on the offense. Around midfield, offensive holding gets called about 35 percent more often on plays run at the defensive team’s sideline.

lopez-sideline-2.png

So what could be causing this phenomenon?

Refs are faced with a near-impossible task. They make judgment calls in real time, relying on just their eyes and their experience. Deprived of the advantages, like instant replay, that we enjoy from the couch, refs have less information to help them resist the normal subconscious urge to draw on external cues for assistance in making borderline calls. In psychology terms, this process is called cue learning. It’s why we laugh longer in the presence of other humans laughing, why we eat more in the presence of overweight company, and why our judgment of persuasive speeches is influenced by the audience’s reaction.

The most common cue in sports is crowd noise, and because crowd noise almost always supports the home team, the way the fans sway the referees is the No. 1 driver of home-field advantage in sports. And one notable experimentsuggests that how loud a crowd is helps refs decide whether an interaction should be penalized. A pair of German researchers showed actual referees old video clips of possible soccer infractions, with crowd noise played at high or low volume. Refs looking at the exact same interactions were more likely to hand out a yellow card when they heard a lot of crowd noise than when the volume was low.

It follows, then, that screaming and hat-throwingfootball personnel may also have an effect on referee choices. In football, this sideline bias even seems to supersede refs’ tendency to support the home team: The differences in the penalty rates from sideline to sideline are several times larger than the differences in penalty rates between the home and away teams.

That bias can affect the outcome even when officials have time to confer. In a 2015 playoff game between the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions, Matthew Stafford threw a third-and-1 pass to Brandon Pettigrew. Officials initially called defensive pass interference on the Cowboys’ Anthony Hitchens.

But the flag occurred right in front of the Cowboys sideline. This led to some confusion. It also led to a helmetless Dez Bryant yelling at the official.

After conferring with each other, the officials picked up the flag, a decision that Mike Pereira, Fox Sports’ rules analyst and the NFL’s former vice president of officiating, said was incorrect. Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics calculates that when the official picked up the flag, the Lions’ chances of winning that game dropped by 12 percentage points.

Dallas won 24-20.
 

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Here's some evidence to support that idea. I'm pretty sure this was posted here a while back..
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-coaches-yell-at-refs-because-it-freakin-works/

JAN. 13, 2017 AT 4:39 PM
NFL Coaches Yell At Refs Because It Freakin’ Works
By Noah Davis and Michael Lopez


Similar plays led to different outcomes that benefited the team on the sideline closest to the on-field action. Most NFL refs would likely say they are immune any sideline bias. “If I make a call because a coach is screaming at me on one side of the field and it’s wrong, that’s a bad day for me,” former NFL official Scott Green told us. (The NFL declined to comment.)

But as it turns out, a sideline bias in the NFL is real, and it’s spectacular. To prove it, we looked at the rates at which refs call the NFL’s most severe penalties, including defensive pass interference, aggressive infractions like personal fouls and unnecessary roughness, and offensive holding calls, based on where the offensive team ran its play.

For three common penalties, the direction of the play — that is, whether it’s run toward the offensive or defensive team’s sideline — makes a significant difference. In other words, refs make more defensive pass interference calls on the offensive team’s sideline but more offensive holding calls on the defensive team’s sideline. What’s more, these differences aren’t uniform across the field — the effect only shows up on plays run, roughly, between the 32-yard lines, the same space where coaches and players are allowed to stand during play.

The following graphs show the penalty rates per 1,000 plays for defensive pass interference and aggressive defensive penalties, which include unnecessary roughness, personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, and horse-collar tackles.

lopez-sideline-1.png

Refs throw flags for defensive infractions at significantly higher rates when plays are run in the direction of the offensive team’s sideline; near midfield, defensive penalties are called about 50 percent more often on the offensive team’s sideline than the defensive team’s. Close to the end zone, where the sidelines are supposed to be free of coaches and players, these differences are negligible.

For offensive flags, that association is reversed, at least on holding penalties. Here’s the rate of holding calls made on outside run plays, which shows how the defensive team’s sideline can help draw flags on the offense. Around midfield, offensive holding gets called about 35 percent more often on plays run at the defensive team’s sideline.

lopez-sideline-2.png

So what could be causing this phenomenon?

Refs are faced with a near-impossible task. They make judgment calls in real time, relying on just their eyes and their experience. Deprived of the advantages, like instant replay, that we enjoy from the couch, refs have less information to help them resist the normal subconscious urge to draw on external cues for assistance in making borderline calls. In psychology terms, this process is called cue learning. It’s why we laugh longer in the presence of other humans laughing, why we eat more in the presence of overweight company, and why our judgment of persuasive speeches is influenced by the audience’s reaction.

The most common cue in sports is crowd noise, and because crowd noise almost always supports the home team, the way the fans sway the referees is the No. 1 driver of home-field advantage in sports. And one notable experimentsuggests that how loud a crowd is helps refs decide whether an interaction should be penalized. A pair of German researchers showed actual referees old video clips of possible soccer infractions, with crowd noise played at high or low volume. Refs looking at the exact same interactions were more likely to hand out a yellow card when they heard a lot of crowd noise than when the volume was low.

It follows, then, that screaming and hat-throwingfootball personnel may also have an effect on referee choices. In football, this sideline bias even seems to supersede refs’ tendency to support the home team: The differences in the penalty rates from sideline to sideline are several times larger than the differences in penalty rates between the home and away teams.

That bias can affect the outcome even when officials have time to confer. In a 2015 playoff game between the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions, Matthew Stafford threw a third-and-1 pass to Brandon Pettigrew. Officials initially called defensive pass interference on the Cowboys’ Anthony Hitchens.

But the flag occurred right in front of the Cowboys sideline. This led to some confusion. It also led to a helmetless Dez Bryant yelling at the official.

After conferring with each other, the officials picked up the flag, a decision that Mike Pereira, Fox Sports’ rules analyst and the NFL’s former vice president of officiating, said was incorrect. Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics calculates that when the official picked up the flag, the Lions’ chances of winning that game dropped by 12 percentage points.

Dallas won 24-20.

Bingo! Yelling and screaming at refs are one of the tricks of the coaching trade. McVay needs to play the politics of it as well, and Pete Carroll is good at yelling and intimidating the refs to have it his way. Carrol even encouraged his players to plead innocent as though they were playing by the rules as evidence by Tanner McEvoy illegal offensive screen.
 

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The NFL does not officiate uniformly by any sense of the word. The Seahawk secondary held on nearly every passing play and their offensive line can somehow put our rushers in headlocks from behind without the refs doing a thing about it.
I hope McVay comes out Publically and says something about this^ after he has a chance to view the game film!!
This^ and the TD we where robbed of at the beginning of the game! and so much more!!
 

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These NFL officials are ruining the game, I've said it for years now but nobody seems to care that is in a position to do anything about it. They all suck!
 

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I hope McVay comes out Publically and says something about this^ after he has a chance to view the game film!!
This^ and the TD we where robbed of at the beginning of the game! and so much more!!

I just don't see it happening. McVay is a no excuses type of guy that puts the blame on himself when things aren't working. It would need to be a bigger mouth coach like Bruce Arians.
 

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surprise surprise.....there is holding on every play....some guys just get called for it.....


Oh....and yall thought I was gonna leave that G-Rob thing alone???? LOLOL


oh, this is defensive holding???? My bad....NOT

same difference.
 

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I just don't see it happening. McVay is a no excuses type of guy that puts the blame on himself when things aren't working. It would need to be a bigger mouth coach like Bruce Arians.
Your right, But it might carry a little more weight, with the NFL, coming from our "Golden-Boy" vs that Deuche-Bag Arians!!