Colin Cowherd on Losing Watkins

[Corbin]

View: https://youtu.be/AGQpBlrVUfI?t=5m40s

 

[Corbin]

Which is why I'm starting to feel like the Bills raped us in that trade.

 

[Merlin]

Well if they had been able to get Joyner inked they would have had a tag for a season to see how Sammy does with a camp and whatnot. But them's the breaks.

Bills doing a lot of good things, btw. IMO they keep this stuff up they're going to be winning a lot of games and maybe even giving the Cheatriots a divisional challenge at some point.

 

[Young Ram]

Well don’t know what Snead was thinking. He had to know a high profile player like Watkins was going to demand a lot of money. You can’t win them all and Snead lost this one.

 

[Corbin]

Well don’t know what Snead was thinking. He had to know a high profile player like Watkins was going to demand a lot of money. You can’t win them all and Snead lost this one.

I love Snead... always have since the RG3 trade... very true cant win them all just surprised he wasnt aqquired for a third with 6th or something. 2nd round picks are premium asf.

Well if they had been able to get Joyner inked they would have had a tag for a season to see how Sammy does with a camp and whatnot. But them's the breaks.

Bills doing a lot of good things, btw. IMO they keep this stuff up they're going to be winning a lot of games and maybe even giving the Cheatriots a divisional challenge at some point.

I like what the Jets and Bills are doing. Anything to compete with the Pats, so tired of them in a to long one horse race division. Never think they really planned on inking Joyner this year... I see next year they will for sure depending on play which i see as phenominal due to the group play.

 

[Flint]

Maybe Snead & co got a little too cute, it could be that Sammy and his agent never had any interest in signing here. Don’t want to get too conspiracy theory but maybe Sammy decided to just try not to get hurt and wait for this moment to come. There wasn’t much in this years FA class, somebody was going to pay. He said all the right things but he was 4th in receptions and that probably wasn’t going to get much better.

 

[den-the-coach]

Rams will get a 3rd back for Watkins and that played into the deal, the Rams knew if they could not sign Watkins they would get a compensatory pick. The Bills get a 2nd round pick and the Rams get a 3rd and had Watkins for a year and the Bills had Gaines for a year, I'm okay with it and don't understand why others are not.

Would I like to see the Rams signing their own like Joyner & Donald to long term deals? Well, of course, but I shall await until free agency is over and the draft before making my final assessment on the off season.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Rams will get a 3rd back for Watkins and that played into the deal, the Rams knew if they could not sign Watkins they would get a compensatory pick. The Bills get a 2nd round pick and the Rams get a 3rd and had Watkins for a year and the Bills had Gaines for a year, I'm okay with it and don't understand why others are not.

Would I like to see the Rams signing their own like Joyner & Donald to long term deals? Well, of course, but I shall await until free agency is over and the draft before making my final assessment on the off season.

One year of a player isn't worth a second round pick. That is the problem. Les rolled the dice and lost. If Sammy helped them reach the Superbowl, then okay. A third round compensation in 2019 is equivalent to a fourth round pick on the value charts. It doesn't help this year. Overall most of us who were excited about the trade, assumed that he would be here for at least two years. And we thought he would be more productive. So it's expected that there be a bit of deflation for fans regarding that trade.

 

[FarNorth]

One year of a player isn't worth a second round pick. That is the problem. Les rolled the dice and lost. If Sammy helped them reach the Superbowl, then okay. A third round compensation in 2019 is equivalent to a fourth round pick on the value charts. It doesn't help this year. Overall most of us who were excited about the trade, assumed that he would be here for at least two years. And we thought he would be more productive. So it's expected that there be a bit of deflation for fans regarding that trade.

We could have tagged him, we had the option to keep him for another year. Not so predictable that in the event Joyner would be more important.

 

[Akrasian]

One year of a player isn't worth a second round pick.

Why not? Doesn't it matter how much value you get in that one year? Does it matter whether the team gets a comp pick also? How about the relative certainty of a veteran you trade for, as opposed to the risk of a rookie?
For what it's worth, the last 5 picks at #55 (the pick traded) were Dalvin Thompson, Tyler Boyd, Maxx Williams, Jeremy Hill, and Vance McDonald. Dalvin (last year's pick) looks promising. The others may have had one good year, and the rest of their careers thus far are mediocre at best.

The Rams got the help they needed, won a division, helped develop their QB, helped Woods and Kupp develop. And they'll likely get a third round pick next year too. And yes, the 3rd is a year delayed. But guess what? The second was a year delayed too. They got Watkins for a year before the pick was due.

I think those who say a year of a player isn't worth a second round pick have an inflated sense of what a second round pick often produces before free agency. The Rams gambled, and the gamble helped them break a cycle of losing, and helped their very expensive QB to go from a joke in the league to a pro bowl alternate

 

[1maGoh]

The Rams gambled, and the gamble helped them break a cycle of losing, and helped their very expensive QB to go from a joke in the league to a pro bowl alternate

Breaking that God awful cycle of losing was the most important thing we did this year. I'd have been ok if they'd given up almost anything just to make us win convincingly the one year, because that starts the ball rolling on the rest of the winning we're fixing to go.

It's an inflection point that's absolutely critical. That winning culture that he helped us bring was more important than any second or first round pick could ever be, regardless of how long he was here.

To wit: Talib said he'd go to the Patriots or the Rams. Phillips was a big part of that, but if we weren't winners it wouldn't have mattered that Phillips was here. Success breeds success and no one wants to associate with failure.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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i bet if sammy caught those 2 would be td throws against the falcons he'd still be with the rams. horrible efforts on both. don't care if he was being held, $16m wrs catch balls that hit them in the hands in clutch situations.

which comes to this question, what is higbee still doing on the team. he better be the blocking te and that's it.

anyway, he was worth swapping a 2nd round pick for a 3rd round pick because he was so cheap, he helped the offense become the best in the league and, more importantly, helped with the development of jared goff which was invaluable. can't put a price on that.

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[TexasRam]

I still don't Blame Les for the gamble on Watkins. Losing a 2nd and gaining a 3rd woopee.

The key is having the inners to cut ties when the gamble doesn't work. GM's every single year make moves that don't pay off. You can survive and rebound as long as you admit the mistake and haven't committed to too much dead money.

Coward is mostly right about the meat of what makes our offense work. Saffold, Brown and Havenstein were also really solid all year though. Sammy's production can be easily replaced and overpaying for him would have been an epic mistake.

 

[shaunpinney]

I still liked Watkins in Horns... BUT for the amount of money he went for, I'm glad we didn't do that sort of deal. I'm also glad to see that Sullivan is up there as being crucial to the success of last year - Sign the damn man!!!

 

[The Ramowl]

I agree with Akresian, we are looking back now seeing our team as a playoff caliber team, even SB contender.
Remember where we were standing a year ago : only question marks, a lot of doubt, Gurley was coming off a bad season, Goff was coming of a nightmarish start, and our hopes were on a totally unproven, very young HC

Sammy helped that happen by taking away the CB1 all year and had a big impact on the success of that offense. Breaking that cycle was huge for us.

Edit : typo

 

[Loyal]

Rams will get a 3rd back for Watkins and that played into the deal, the Rams knew if they could not sign Watkins they would get a compensatory pick. The Bills get a 2nd round pick and the Rams get a 3rd and had Watkins for a year and the Bills had Gaines for a year, I'm okay with it and don't understand why others are not.

Would I like to see the Rams signing their own like Joyner & Donald to long term deals? Well, of course, but I shall await until free agency is over and the draft before making my final assessment on the off season.

C'mon den, you are ignoring what the value of the 2019 3rd rounder is really in 2018. We traded Gaines for Watkins and a 2018 2nd rounder... and now a 2018 4th rounder value after he walked (2018 4th = 2019 3rd). If you are ok with that, then fine. But you minimize the immediate cost by not translating the 2019 value into 2018 value when explaining how little this cost us

 

[TexasRam]

I agree with Akresian, we are looking back now seeing our team as a playoff caliber team, even SB contender.
Remember where we were standing a year ago : only question marks, a lot of doubt, Gurley was coming off a bad season, Goff was coming of a nightmarish start, and our hopes were on a totally unproven, very young HC

Sammy helped that happen by taking away the CB1 all year and had a big impact on the success of that offense. Breaking that cycle was huge for us.

Edit : typo

I think the beauty of the Mcvay offense is there is no number 1. The offense doesn’t run through one guy. There is heavy play action designed to get certain guys open each play, using deception.

It’s not like Watkins was Antonio Brown and the defense had to worry about him at all times. They had to cover all
Parts of the field including TE’s, RB’s and all Wr’s.

In 2017 Watkins had one 100 yard game.
In 14 games he had 3 or less catches.
In the playoff game he had 1 catch for 23 yards.

Let that sink in.

What kind of DC would assign their top defender to such an unproductive part of a high scoring offense.

 

[kurtfaulk]

C'mon den, you are ignoring what the value of the 2019 3rd rounder is really in 2018. We traded Gaines for Watkins and a 2018 2nd rounder... and now a 2018 4th rounder value after he walked (2018 4th = 2019 3rd). If you are ok with that, then fine. But you minimize the immediate cost by not translating the 2019 value into 2018 value when explaining how little this cost us

What about the 6th? What about one year of Sammy for about $1m? how much is the development of Goff worth? Do these factor into your calculation?

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[Loyal]

What about the 6th? What about one year of Sammy for about $1m? how much is the development of Goff worth? Do these factor into your calculation?

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I was responding to a very specific point that den said casually. A 3rd rounder sounds magnitudes better than a 4th. And I wasn't arguing one way or another about whether the Watkins deal was good or bad...I am rather tired of it, actually

 

[Faceplant]

Sucks we lost Sammy, but I do not regret that trade and I am sure the Rams don't either. The Chefs paid him WAY more than a team should based on his production to date. I don't see him lighting it up this year with Mahomes either. Enjoy the Midwest Sammy!!