Can Jeff Fisher Develop a QB? --ESPN

[RamBill]

Ryan Clark questions Rams coach Jeff Fisher’s ability to develop a quarterback. (1:35)

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[diggity]

Fisher has shown that he's completely lost with the whole offensive concept of a Football team.
Good NFL HCs DO NOT take FIVE seasons to reach the very minimal .500 mark!!
The D has improved, that's a fact...but the O, with the ridiculous overall FAs and draft moves has been STUPIFYING!!!
GO RAMS!!!!

 

[BonifayRam]

Its no secret that his one big dark cloud hanging over our HC head. Did not Fisher say the reason he came to the Rams was because of QB Sam Bradford being here already?

Fact is other than that 1995 #3 overall pick going all the way back to the time when there was a Houston Oilers team. Fisher was with the HC ....where the only bona fide real QB who was developed was Steve McNair, about some two decades ago.

Fisher has just one championship under his belt back in 1999 with no SB wins. His Career: 170–156–1 (.521). His Postseason record is 5–6 (.455). As a Ram HC he is below 500 @ .430

 

[Mojo Ram]

Fisher has shown that he's completely lost with the whole offensive concept of a Football team.
Good NFL HCs DO NOT take FIVE seasons to reach the very minimal .500 mark!!
The D has improved, that's a fact...but the O, with the ridiculous overall FAs and draft moves has been STUPIFYING!!!
GO RAMS!!!!

 

[jap]

Yes, Fish came to the Horns due to Sam's presence, and he did his homework first too---he consulted one or more QB gurus concerning Sam's viability for blooming into an upper tier QB. So Fish is well aware of his limitations for judging QB talent.

Cam Newton is today's closest comparative talent to Fish's former best QB, Steve "Air" McNair. He needs to consult with his new passing coordinator and any other QB gurus available to him to land the best QB prospect he can obtain for the 2016 Horns.

 

[-X-]

No, he can't develop a QB. Coaches who are defense-oriented don't develop QBs.
If he can hire a good QB Coach/Coordinator, then THAT guy will develop the QB.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No, he can't develop a QB. Coaches who are defense-oriented don't develop QBs.
If he can hire a good QB Coach/Coordinator, then THAT guy will develop the QB.

If he can hire one that he trusts enough not to meddle with the process

 

[ottoman89]

Can he develop a Quarterback? Absolutely not.

Could he find someone who could successfully develop a Quarterback? Absolutely. The problem with Fisher is his stone age Offensive Concepts and his "controlling" ways.

That's always going to be his downfall.

 

[Ram65]

Last year Fisher set up the offense to turn the corner. The offensive line draft class of 2015 looks very good. RB Todd Gurley looks great. Fisher didn't get much of a chance with incumbent QB Sam Bradford do to injuries. He hasn't had much to work with the likes of Davis, Clemons, Foles and Keenum. He hired well respected young QB coach in Chris Weinke. He just has to find that QB Weike can develop.

 

[ottoman89]

The only thing that worries me is that he's seemed to frustratingly look to be cheap at QB and no invest.. moving back to Los Angeles right now is a PERFECT time for him to make a huge splash and land a Blue Chip QB in the draft.

 

[jap]

Last year Fisher set up the offense to turn the corner. The offensive line draft class of 2015 looks very good. RB Todd Gurley looks great. Fisher didn't get much of a chance with incumbent QB Sam Bradford do to injuries. He hasn't had much to work with the likes of Davis, Clemons, Foles and Keenum. He hired well respected young QB coach in Chris Weinke. He just has to find that QB Weike can develop.

Well, that's the thing. He's been trying but has been twharted by injuries (Sam) and a newly acquired QB (Nick) dissolving under pressure. As I have stated several times already, I am fully confident the Horns would have been in the playoffs in 2013 & 2014 if Sam remained healthy. We would have moved to the positive side of the 0.500 mark and have had winning records in those years.

Who knew that Nick would have fallen apart this badly under fire? His confident locker room chat could not elevate his on-field performance. Just like the Horns sold out by going after a new OL last off-season, they need to do likewise with the QB corps to be all they can be.

 

[jap]

The only thing that worries me is that he's seemed to frustratingly look to be cheap at QB and no invest.. moving back to Los Angeles right now is a PERFECT time for him to make a huge splash and land a Blue Chip QB in the draft.

He just needs to land the right "blue chip" QB. Most "blue chippers" don't live up to expectations.

 

[PhillyRam]

Its no secret that his one big dark cloud hanging over our HC head. Did not Fisher say the reason he came to the Rams was because of QB Sam Bradford being here already?

Fact is other than that 1995 #3 overall pick going all the way back to the time when there was a Houston Oilers team. Fisher was with the HC ....where the only bona fide real QB who was developed was Steve McNair, about some two decades ago.

Fisher has just one championship under his belt back in 1999 with no SB wins. His Career: 170–156–1 (.521). His Postseason record is 5–6 (.455). As a Ram HC he is below 500 @ .430

Well when you think about it, how many coaches get more than one franchise QB in their coaching careers? How many QBs did Gruden develop? How many did Shanahan develop? How about Andy Reid? McNabb and then nothing. Sure he traded for an established so so QB, but has he developed anyone sonce McNabb? Did Billick develop any QBs?

Fact is it is tough to find QBs that are worth a damn and can be developed.

 

[Ramfansince79]

The only thing that worries me is that he's seemed to frustratingly look to be cheap at QB and no invest.. moving back to Los Angeles right now is a PERFECT time for him to make a huge splash and land a Blue Chip QB in the draft.

That's sounds great and all, but I don't think there is a "huge splash blue chip" QB available to us at #15, and imo I don't think there is anyone worth trading up for unless it would be cheap to do so (which, of course, it wouldn't be).

I think our best hope is that Mannion has a productive off season.

Go back and look at his stats as they are pretty impressive while playing on a team that had a lot of disadvantages against other teams in the Pac 12.

All time leader in Pac 12 yards, 64% completions, 83 TD's vs. 43 picks.

I think if he was coming out this year, people would be screaming from the rafters about how we better draft him.

 

[shaunpinney]

Firstly, props to Fisher for turning around our defence, into one that's feared, and into one that we're worried about losing players in FA.
Secondly, our offense is also totally turned around - it was brave last year, what I mean is, he bet it all on a young o-line, and I think he won, he'd tried to bring in quality vets, but they just kept getting hurt, I think we have the core of an o-line that will be around for a while, and will continue to get better.
Thirdly, We have the most feared RB in the NFL now, I wasn't impressed with the pick up, I thought we were good with Stacy and Mason - but woah, we're awesome at RB now.
Finally, finding "that guy" isn't easy for any HC, let alone a D-orientated one. On paper it should have been Sam, it's why he came to coach here - but injuries put a stop to that. He did a difficult decision in trading Sam for Nick Foles, I think if Sam would have restructured that gargantuan salary he would still be a Ram, but hey the trade happened. At worst, Foles was an OK QB, at best he was getting into top tier - who would have thought the implosion we'd see in his ability, I didn't, I thought we were heading to the Playoffs for definite this year, I thought he was an improvement over Hill, Davis and Clemons - something went wrong for him, I think it happened in the GB game - he was annihilated on the field - I'm not sure if it was a physical thing that shook him or a mental thing, but that needed to be sorted out and STILL needs to be sorted out.

I'm with @Ramfansince79 I think Mannion is being underrated by a lot of people, he reminded me of Drew Breese when I was watching his tape and I think if he was in this year's draft he'd definitely be on people's radar. I would have liked to have seen more of him on the Rams playing field tbh this past season.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I Trust Fisher!! BUT IF he doesn't show something this year he'll be gone!!

 

[blackbart]

Who is Ryan Clark? Another disgruntled fan? No I didn't bother listening to it, he probably knows less about the Rams than half the guys on this board.

Of course Fisher has tried to do anything to fix the offense, ever since he was in the league he's never had a winner. Why can't he just show these guys the scheme and call the plays right, why can't we have a Tom Brady, why can't our WRs catch the ball why can't these guys stay healthy why doesn't he try some new coaches????

:deadhorse:


Weinke, Garcia, Cignetti, etc etc etc how many different guys has he tried? How many QBs has he drafted for the Rams that might have a chance to develop? 1 How much time have they had to work with him, less than a year. Is he going to be any good? Maybe. HE HASN"T HAD A CHANCE TO PLAY YET

 

[RamBill]

Former Ram Jackie Slater on relocating as a player and how Jeff Fisher can turn things around in LA. He talks with Randy Karraker and D’Marco Farr.

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[LACHAMP46]

Fact is other than that 1995 #3 overall pick going all the way back to the time when there was a Houston Oilers team. Fisher was with the HC ....where the only bona fide real QB who was developed was Steve McNair, about some two decades ago.

How maNY MORE DOES HE NEED Boni? seriously....That's not his job IMO....More the OC's....

 

[Rams43]

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How maNY MORE DOES HE NEED Boni? seriously....That's not his job IMO....More the OC's....

Gotta disagree, CHAMP.

Who picked the damned OC?

A HC is responsible for everything. If he constantly turns in mediocre results he must be held accountable. League's worst O doesn't occur in a vacuum.

Fisher's 21 year record speaks for itself. Most overrated HC in the league. Sigh...

Rant over. Carry on.