Camp Report 8/1/14

[A55VA6]

I think there is some overreaction going on around here. Just saying.

 

[Alan]

TheDYVKX with his thoughts about tricep tears:
An ACL tear and triceps tears like that are just random freak things that happen.

ACl OK, triceps no way. Tricep injuries are usually because the muscle is too strong for the tendons. The usual suspect is steroids and once you've roided up you're forever susceptible. It could be a freak injury but highly doubtful IMO.

 

[FRO]

I think there is some overreaction going on around here. Just saying.

Couldn't agree more. Until someone is ruled out week one there is no reason to worry. Guys get nicked up a lot during camp.

 

[Tron]

So the streak continues. Cant wait for regular season when he stays inside. Doesnt seem like anything major(hopefully).

 

[Alan]

wrstdude with a word problem:
Everyone is prone to injury. It's not a characteristic unique to those two.

That would be incorrect sir. Anyone can get injured and some professions make participants more susceptible (prone) to injury but some individuals are more likely to get injured when doing the exact same thing as those who aren't injury prone. Usually because of playing style or genetic factors.
Prone: likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

 

[PrometheusFaulk]

Appreciate the heads up Coach. Wagoner tweeted Fisher said that he doesn't think Saffold's deal is serious...guess we have to hold our breath that's the case.

 

[stlramscar]

Just dont play Saffold at LT no more EVER unless absolutely necessary.smh dude is made of glass jeez.

 

[wrstdude]

That would be incorrect sir. Anyone can get injured and some professions make participants more susceptible (prone) to injury but some individuals are more likely to get injured when doing the exact same thing as those who aren't injury prone. Usually because of playing style or genetic factors.
Prone: likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Nope-nothing I said was incorrect. All humans are liable to suffer from injury; per your definition. All things being equal & outside of any preexisting medical condition, 2 humans playing football, one is neither more likely or less likely to be injured. I'd love to see some medical evidence of your assertion that some are more likely to be injured. You're simply trying to qualify bad luck.

 

[RhodyRams]

Nope-nothing I said was incorrect. All humans are liable to suffer from injury; per your definition. All things being equal & outside of any preexisting medical condition, 2 humans playing football, one is neither more likely or less likely to be injured. I'd love to see some medical evidence of your assertion that some are more likely to be injured. You're simply trying to qualify bad luck.

I beg to differ...I have a friend who gets injured on a regular basis... so often in fact his nick name is AFLAC

 

[Mojo Ram]

Nope-nothing I said was incorrect. All humans are liable to suffer from injury; per your definition. All things being equal & outside of any preexisting medical condition, 2 humans playing football, one is neither more likely or less likely to be injured. I'd love to see some medical evidence of your assertion that some are more likely to be injured. You're simply trying to qualify bad luck.

Genetics. Don't dig yourself into a hole on this bro.

 

[Philly5]

Just dont play Saffold at LT no more EVER unless absolutely necessary.smh dude is made of glass jeez.

I agree. Injuries can happen anywhere, but he sure seems to get banged up when playing Tackle.

Maybe the Raiders doctors were right?

 

[RamzFanz]

Nope-nothing I said was incorrect. All humans are liable to suffer from injury; per your definition. All things being equal & outside of any preexisting medical condition, 2 humans playing football, one is neither more likely or less likely to be injured. I'd love to see some medical evidence of your assertion that some are more likely to be injured. You're simply trying to qualify bad luck.

I have to disagree. Generics, work out regime, playing style, lots of factors.

 

[ChrisW]

THIS IS A PRELIMINARY REPORT>>>>>>

But I wanted to get this out there> I will update and write the Report in its totality as soon as I can!

THEME OF THE DAY: INJURIES

Rodger Saffold left practice after suffering what looks like a left shoulder injury. I'm not a doctor and don't play one on tv, but it doesn't look good.

Michael Brockers left early with a leg injury as he looked to have either gotten stepped on, or turned an ankle. Does NOT appear to be serious.

Laurinaitis was a no show today. Jenkins did not practice. Davin Joseph DNP. No Barrett Jones. No Lamarcus Joyner.


The actual report will be posted later thins evening.

Coach, did Saffold get beat and try to recover with strength on this play? Seems to me that's what happens in most of his injuries.

 

[CoachO]

Coach, did Saffold get beat and try to recover with strength on this play? Seems to me that's what happens in most of his injuries.

I didn't see what happened,,, but as soon as the play was over I noticed him hunched over, and the trainers rushing to him

 

[wrstdude]

Genetics. Don't dig yourself into a hole on this bro.

Genetics would be a "preexisting medical condition." There is no "injury gene." Nice try though.

 

[RhodyRams]

Genetics would be a "preexisting medical condition." There is no "injury gene." Nice try though.

how is genetics a "pre-existing condition"..if that is the case then we are all injury prone, since we all are made up from genetics

 

[Mojo Ram]

Genetics would be a "preexisting medical condition." There is no "injury gene." Nice try though.

I didn't claim there was an injury gene...and yeah, birth is a pre-existing condition to how our bodies function in life. We aren't all built the same.

 

[CoachO]

I think there is some overreaction going on around here. Just saying.

I'm sorry guys,, didn't mean to start a panic, LOL But when you consider the consequences of NOT having Saffold, with Joseph not practicing today either, it just make for a OH NO, kind of moment leaving practice.

 

[wrstdude]

I didn't claim there was an injury gene...and yeah, birth is a pre-existing condition to how our bodies function in life. We aren't all built the same.

Agreed, so I don't see how professional athletes, who are the peak of human genetics, could be more injury prone than their peers. If anything they are less prone to injury or they would've never made it as far as they did as athletes.

how is genetics a "pre-existing condition"..if that is the case then we are all injury prone, since we all are made up from genetics

Which is exactly what I said originally.

 

[Alan]

wrstdude with a less than clear understanding:
Nope-nothing I said was incorrect. All humans are liable to suffer from injury; per your definition. All things being equal & outside of any preexisting medical condition, 2 humans playing football, one is neither more likely or less likely to be injured. I'd love to see some medical evidence of your assertion that some are more likely to be injured. You're simply trying to qualify bad luck.

A couple of things:

I didn't make any assertion. I merely explained what the meaning of the word prone is.

But I do agree with the concept. Let me ask you a question wrstdude, do you think a player of diminutive stature like Austin or the Honey Badger is of greater risk of injury than someone who is of a weight and strength that is more appropriate for their job? Let's face it, when a little guy slams into a big guy the little guy is more likely to get injured. So that's one way.

In addition, there are some guys like that very same Austin who, do to their extreme elusiveness, are able to avoid more big hits than someone like Tre Mason. So that's another way.

Genetically speaking, there are so many variables that would favor or disfavor a certain body type. Bone thickness varies with virtually everyone. Thicker bones are less likely to be broken. But are they more brittle? How big are your tendons. How much fast twitch muscle do you have. Those are just a few of the multitude.

But that doesn't mean that many injuries have nothing to do with any of those variables that make someone more prone to injury. Many are just bad luck. That's why I hadn't planned on arguing one side or the other. I only said something because I like words.