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I'd like to discuss my testicles.

I'll weigh them before and after sex.

I'll report back soon OK?
 

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I'd like to discuss my testicles.

I'll weigh them before and after sex.

I'll report back soon OK?
You gonna deflate them before you play with them? Awe - never mind. Why did I ask?
 

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You gonna deflate them before you play with them? Awe - never mind. Why did I ask?

You know the drill. Never ask a question you don't want the answer to...

In Les' case, he got them already deflated. He's been wondering for years how to INFLATE them. It's why he really keeps asking for...jobs of the inflationary sort, if you catch my meaning ;)
 

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Anyone else TIRED of deflategate yet? I can't believe it's getting airplay still........jeez.
 

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Deflategate is fascinating, imo, because we are watching the cogs turn of the successor organization of the WWF. Any vestige of fair play that might have earlier existed in GoodHell's Hell is quickly vanishing beneath his spurious attempts to quickly spin things the Cheats' way in this, the latest Cheats' scandal.

BUT every other team and their minions are now wise to the Cheats and their nefarious ways, or at least SHOULD be. This is going to be interesting, going forward, as coaches and execs and players begin playing closer attention to everything Satan Belicheat's team is doing. They are going to have a tough time playing with deflated balls going forward, and making shady substitutions, I would think, just ain't gonna fly going forward.

Coaches do NOT like being made fools of, and fans even less so. Look for LOTS of funny banners at Cheats' games this next season which will ALMOST make it worthwhile to watch those assholes play.

I just can't believe that they won another SB, tainted though it may be. They are the worst. And if I give up watching the NFL, they will be the SOLE reason -- simply because I cannot stand them and their cheating ways. And I just know that I will be subjected, someday, to watching the entire motley crew be voted into the HOF, although in their cases it should be called the "Hall of Shame."
 

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we are watching the cogs turn of the successor organization of the WWF. Any vestige of fair play that might have earlier existed in GoodHell's Hell is quickly vanishing
I used to be tarred & feathered when I spoke of such things. I guess I'm relieved that others are speaking openly about it now, but can't say I'm happy that things are getting worse.
 

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Deflategate is fascinating, imo, because we are watching the cogs turn of the successor organization of the WWF. Any vestige of fair play that might have earlier existed in GoodHell's Hell is quickly vanishing beneath his spurious attempts to quickly spin things the Cheats' way in this, the latest Cheats' scandal.

BUT every other team and their minions are now wise to the Cheats and their nefarious ways, or at least SHOULD be. This is going to be interesting, going forward, as coaches and execs and players begin playing closer attention to everything Satan Belicheat's team is doing. They are going to have a tough time playing with deflated balls going forward, and making shady substitutions, I would think, just ain't gonna fly going forward.

Coaches do NOT like being made fools of, and fans even less so. Look for LOTS of funny banners at Cheats' games this next season which will ALMOST make it worthwhile to watch those assholes play.

I just can't believe that they won another SB, tainted though it may be. They are the worst. And if I give up watching the NFL, they will be the SOLE reason -- simply because I cannot stand them and their cheating ways. And I just know that I will be subjected, someday, to watching the entire motley crew be voted into the HOF, although in their cases it should be called the "Hall of Shame."

Jeez dude if it's that bad then just stop watching!

I don't get why so many people think Goodell is "fixing" things, its preposterous and by the way it matters that he isn't very fond (actually dislikes) Bill Belichik so I doubt if he is helping him "win".

Also worth noting is that Kraft just embarrassed Goodell by demanding a public apology.

You act like no other team bends the rules. Maybe you heard a couple of teams are being investigated for piping in extra crowd noise. That's WAY worse than anything to do with air pressure.
 

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Seahawks’ 12th Man license expires next year
Posted by Mike Florio on February 7, 2015, 2:20 PM EST
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The Seahawks have a problem, unrelated to the outcome of the football game played six days ago.

Via KING-5 News in Seattle, the team’s license to use the 12th Man slogan expires soon.

The term was first used by Texas A&M, years ago. In 1990, the school obtained federal trademark protection for the 12th Man phrase.

Litigation against the Seahawks resulted in a settlement that acknowledged Texas A&M’s rights to the label, and that licensed the Seahawks to make limited use of the term for payment of only $5,000 per year.

The deal, struck in 2006 and renewed in 2011, runs out in 2016. Texas A&M says that negotiations on an extension have begun, and that the school would like to continue the arrangement.

The question becomes how much Texas A&M will want, in light of the fact that the Seahawks have gained considerable notoriety — and generated significant money — through the use of the number 12, which shows up on flags and jerseys sold by the franchise. Given that the team is owned by a billionaire and that the Seahawks generating millions every year, Texas A&M should be asking for a lot more than $5,000 per year in the current talks
 

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Jeez dude if it's that bad then just stop watching!

I don't get why so many people think Goodell is "fixing" things, its preposterous and by the way it matters that he isn't very fond (actually dislikes) Bill Belichik so I doubt if he is helping him "win".

Also worth noting is that Kraft just embarrassed Goodell by demanding a public apology.

You act like no other team bends the rules. Maybe you heard a couple of teams are being investigated for piping in extra crowd noise. That's WAY worse than anything to do with air pressure.

The difference between those teams and the Cheatriots is that they've been doing this kind of shit for years on a rampant scale and that every time under Goodhell's reign, those transgressions have been buried deeper than the corpse of Jimmy Hoffa.
 

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Unfortunately this whole topic has gotten so disjointed because of the laughable spin jobs done in Boston and the NFL...I can't read or discuss it any more...The straw that broke the Wooly Mammoth's back was the idiotic attempt to put the onus on the Colts...Does anybody really think they conjured up this plan: OK, we get an interception, deflate the ball real quickly without any of 100,000 plus people noticing and blame it on the cherubs of NE...This whole freakinfg thing is such that I've commented and read about it for the last time...Fuck Belichick, Brady, Goodell, my ex-wife, my daughter (only because she is a Cheatriot fan...I love her to death in real life)...My ex-wife isn't a football fan, I just like to include her on any fuck you list I can..
 

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Hurley: Failed DeflateGate Accusations Mean It's Time For Isray, Pagano To Be Banned From The NFL

BOSTON (CBS) — Here’s a story you definitely did not miss: The Patriots were accused of underinflating footballs in the AFC Championship Game.

Here’s a story you might have missed: It was all a bunch of hogwash.

Yeah, “DeflateGate,” you know the thing where the entire country lost its collective mind because Tom Brady and Bill Belichick supposedly cheated in the AFC Championship Game, a two-week period of absolute hysteria where people drew conclusions as soon as they heard the accusations?

All of it was nothing.

Two developments last week essentially put the kibosh on “DeflateGate,” as it stupidly came to be known. Well, technically, there were three developments. The first took place when Robert Kraft boldly stepped to the podium Monday evening in Chandler, Ariz., and firmly stated that he expects an apology from commissioner Roger Goodell to Belichick, to Brady and to the entire Patriots organization for all of the accusations that came without any proof or evidence of wrongdoing. Much like with Belichick’s press conference two days prior, a person of Kraft’s stature does not speak with such certainty unless he knows that the league has nothing. The stakes would be too high to make such statements if evidence found at a later date might prove them to be liars.

So there was that, but if you’re into more concrete evidence there was this.

First, at a press conference last Thursday in Phoenix, NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino spilled the beans that the PSI of the 12 Patriots footballs were never recorded by referee Walt Anderson. Blandino said that balls were measured, and if they were under the low threshold of 12.5, they were simply pumped up with some air. So instantly, the report by ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that said 11 of the 12 footballs were a full 2 PSI under the threshold was essentially debunked. How could Mortensen have that information if nobody could have that information? (The answer, of course, is that a source who desperately wanted such misinformation out there gave him the “scoop.”)

Secondly, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported the morning of the Super Bowl that just one of the 11 footballs was 2 PSI under the limit, while the other 10 were “just a tick” under the 12.5 threshold. Rapoport’s report was crucial for a number of reasons. For one, he is paid by the NFL, and so he can’t afford to be wrong. If his report, which makes Roger Goodell’s bloodthirsty office look like a bunch of clowns, turns out to be wrong, how much longer would the league keep him on the payroll? Second, the phrasing of the footballs of being “just a tick” under the limit is at once believable, because that’s how non-technical measurements would be recorded, and also because footballs which were originally inflated near the lower limit would likely lose some air pressure after two hours outside in January.

And then there’s this: The one football that was 2 PSI under the limit? That was the ball intercepted by D’Qwell Jackson, the pizza man puncher, according to ProFootballTalk. It was the football that was taken to the Colts sideline and then submitted to the NFL to launch an investigation. You’re going to tell me that the Colts didn’t manipulate that football before submitting it? The team that fired off the accusations of cheating didn’t take an extra step or two to make sure they were right by sticking a needle in that football and letting it drain for a few seconds before handing it over to the league and saying, “Hey, the Patriots are using underinflated footballs, so you need to investigate”?

Yeah, well, no. They did that. They did exactly that.

Look, if everyone in the national media can say “the Patriots are scummy cheaters” without having any evidence, then I think I have more than enough reason to say the Colts tampered with the football in question, thereby launching a two-week campaign that worked to soil the reputation of two future Hall of Famers in Brady and Belichick. All because … why exactly?

And if prominent voices in the Indianapolis media like Bob Kravitz and Gregg Doyel can outright call for the firing of Belichick, despite having no basis for such a ludicrous opinion, then I can say this: It’s time to kick Jim Irsay out of the league. Heck, ban Chuck Pagano for a year, too. It’s the only fair response to this situation, right?

Irsay is a guy who, frankly, is lucky to still be allowed to have anything to do with the NFL. In his DUI last year, he was caught not just with a ton of prescription drugs in his car, but also with $29,000 in cash. Tell me, reasonable human being, why anybody would ever have $29,000 cash sitting around if he weren’t up to some super shady business?

“I observed the vehicle come to a complete stop on W. Main Street for no apparent reason,” the arresting officer wrote in his police report. “As I was approaching the vehicle it began to slowly move eastbound and came to another complete stop in the lane of travel for no apparent reason. … I asked him if he knew why I had pulled him over. Irsay advised that he was trying to find his house and gets confused with what road it is located on.”

After this event, Bob Kravitz wrote a heartfelt column saying that Irsay “needs help.”

“That doesn’t make him a bad man, just a troubled one, one who has been in and out of rehab on multiple occasions, one who needs to get himself some help again if he wants to be alive for the Colts’ next Super Bowl,” Kravitz wrote, before adding: “This is not written in anger. It’s written with compassion.”

So to recap: Irsay took drugs and stepped behind the wheel. He could have killed someone. But Kravitz wasn’t angry. Then Bill Belichick was accused of playing football with footballs that had a little less air in them. Kravitz was irate.

Here’s what Kravitz wrote after a very compromised source with an ax to grind against Belichick told him that the Patriots used some underinflated footballs: “If Patriots owner Robert Kraft has an ounce of integrity, he will fire Bill Belichick immediately for toying with the integrity of the game for the second time in his otherwise magnificent career. … If Roger Goodell has an ounce of integrity, and he’s not spending all his time going to pre-game soirees at Kraft’s mansion, he will not only fine Belichick and take away draft choices, but suspend the head coach for the upcoming Super Bowl.”

So, driving under the influence of prescription drugs, an act which could result in the deaths of innocent people, is simply the act of a man who needs some help. Underinflate some footballs, and you deserve to lose your job. Solid reasoning there, especially now that we know the entire deflated football accusations were essentially made up out of thin air.

Aces.

Kravitz also fully believed Irsay when he said he had $29,000 in cash on him because he’s “extremely generous,” but he didn’t believe Belichick for not knowing how much air gets pumped into the footballs. His judgment is sound.

Oh, and Kravitz wrote this: “It is very hard for me to believe — no, it’s impossible for me to believe — that this was one large, cosmic accident. A deflated football, and we’re talking about two pounds worth of deflation, gives the team using it a distinct advantage when it comes to throwing and catching, especially during a rainstorm.”

Hey, Bobby K, Brady went 11-for-21 for 95 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT with the balls that you thought were underinflated and gave him a huge advantage. He went 12-for-14 for 131 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs in the second half, after the balls had been reinflated. And in the Super Bowl, with properly inflated footballs, he went 37-for-50 for 328 yards, 4 TDs and 2 INTs. It’s almost as if your theory about gaining an advantage in the passing game was based on nothing except the thoughts inside of your head. Crazy.

OK, I’m sorry, but one more quote from my man Bob Kravitz: “Still, it is utterly amazing (but not really) how far some media will go to defend their city’s team, especially when it wins Super Bowls.”

If Alanis Morissette ever writes a sequel to her hit song, I hope she’ll include this line from Kravitz, which comes while he’s doing his local team’s bidding.

Then you’ve got Gregg Doyel, who wrote this of Belichick after hearing the accusations: “Here’s what the NFL can do, and absolutely has to do: Remove Patriots coach Bill Belichick from the Super Bowl. Suspend him from football, and not next season – this season. Right now.”

Doyel also wrote these creative lines: “Cheater or not a cheater. Belichick’s a cheat. … Cheaters cheat. It’s what they do.”

Doyel also wanted history to change, all over a false charge: “I’ll tell you what should happen: The Patriots should be removed from the Super Bowl. Which means the Colts should be going to Glendale.”

Doyel also wanted to kick Bill Belichick out of the NFL forever: “Not a fine, not a docking of draft picks, not even a lifetime suspension of Belichick, though I would support all three, if the Patriots are found guilty of cheating. Sorry — left out a word. If the Patriots are found guilty of cheating … again.”

One more gem from Gregg: “Cheating can’t be tolerated. Simple as that.”

Calling for the firing of a man before any conclusive evidence comes out can’t be tolerated, if you want to get technical, but sure, your statement works, too.

All fascinating stuff, truly, from Mr. Doyel there.

Again, if you actually followed the story instead of just listening to the blowhards pontificate about cheating, and if you researched the process of game-ball preparation and handling instead of watching Mark Brunell cry and Jerome Bettis call Tom Brady a liar, then you’ve known for several days that “DeflateGate” was nothing more than a talking point for two weeks. There is no substance to the charges, and if any team is going to face consequences, it will be the Colts for providing a compromised football.

So, if I may borrow the style of Mr. Doyel and Mr. Kravitz, I’d like to give this whole “fire darts before gathering any evidence” thing a whirl.

*Ahem*

If Irsay has any integrity — though I doubt he does — he will fire head coach Chuck Pagano. Obviously, the head coach is the mastermind behind every evil plot. Even if it’s Ryan Grigson and Mike Kensil conspiring to bring down the Patriots, Pagano has to go. That’s the only logical place to begin the punishment of the Colts.

If Roger Goodell has an ounce of integrity, he will force Jim Irsay to sell the Indianapolis Colts. It is very hard for me to believe — no, it’s impossible for me to believe — that this was one large, cosmic accident. A deflated football, and we’re talking about two pounds worth of deflation, being handed over to the league by a team accusing the Patriots of using deflated footballs is just too fishy for me to think it’s a coincidence. Not to mention, using a deflated football does not give a team a distinct advantage when it comes to throwing and catching, especially during a rainstorm, so why would the Patriots even bother?

Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady have been through a lot in the past two weeks. That doesn’t make them bad men, just ones with trouble, ones who have been in and out of the Super Bowl on multiple occasions, ones who need to exact some type of revenge on the rest of the league, beyond just beating everybody on a regular basis. This is not written in anger. It’s written with compassion for Brady, Belichick and Kraft, ironically the three most innocent people from this whole sordid ordeal.

But all is not lost.

Here’s what the NFL can do, and absolutely has to do: Remove the Colts from competing in the NFL next season. Suspend them from the league. Right now.

Liar or not a liar. Pagano, Grigson and Irsay are liars. Liars lie. It’s what they do.

Irsay’s family has been a problem for The Shield for 30 years. Robert Irsay lied to the good people of Baltimore when he shipped the team to Indy in the middle of the night in 1984, and his drunken press conferences were filled with lie after lie after lie. It would seem as though lying is in the Irsay genes, because Jim enjoyed a full week of it following the AFC Championship Game, when his team got embarrassed so he decided to flip the table on the Patriots.

Do you think it’s a coincidence that a full seven days after his Colts got smoked, he finally took to Twitter to offer the most insincere congratulations of all time? You don’t think he realized that after the league investigated for seven days, it had actually come to light that he and the Colts were the ones who were in trouble, and so he decided to try to save some face?

(And do you think Irsay might have been having some heart palpitations after catching wind that the Falcons were about to be investigated for pumping crowd noise into their stadium? No, there’s no hard evidence that the Colts pumped noise into the RCA Dome or even their new Lucas Oil Field, but remember, liars lie. That’s what liars do. They lie.)

I’ve read the comments from some Indianapolis media members, and not surprisingly, they don’t think these over-the-top, ridiculously heavy-handed punishments should be enforced. No shocker there. Still, it is utterly amazing (but not really) how far some media will go to pile on another city’s team, especially when it kicks the crap out of the team they cover.

Despite the blind Indianapolis media’s thoughts on the subject, we can all agree that we can reach this sweeping conclusion: The Colts are in the wrong. I know this because I know this, OK?

So hit the Colts where it hurts. Not a fine, not a docking of draft picks, not even a lifetime suspension of Pagano, though I would support all three, if the Colts are found guilty of lying. Sorry — left out a word. When the Colts are found guilty of lying.

This was, as is painfully obvious, a failed attempt by the Colts to cast a dark cloud over the Patriots. But they came at the king, and they missed. Now it’s time to pay the consequence.

(Special thanks to Gregg Doyel and Bob Kravitz for the boilerplate on this story. I could get used to firing wild accusations, calling for Hall of Famers to be fired and spouting off complete inaccuracies in order to appeal to my audience. What a thrill!)

Read more from Michael Hurley by clicking here. You can email him or find him on Twitter @michaelFhurley.


So..........ban the victims?..............

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So..........ban the victims?..............

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But don't you know?! It was those poor innocent Patriots and their reputation that were...

OK, even in blue font I can't finish that nonsense without dry heaving.
 

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Fresh #DeflateGate wrinkle involves special-teams ball
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2015, 10:19 PM EST
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It’s been more than two weeks since anyone has advanced the ball on the question of whether the Patriots used intentionally deflated footballs in the AFC championship game. The latest twist has nothing to do with football inflation.

Kelly Naqi of ESPN.com reports that a Patriots locker-room attendant tried to introduce an unapproved kicking ball during the first half of the game between Indianapolis and New England. Investigator Ted Wells has interviewed the attendant, 48-year-old Jim McNally, regarding the situation.

McNally, a part-time employee of the Patriots, had been assigned to the officials’ locker room for the game. Alternate official Greg Yette became suspicious, according to Naqi, upon noticing that the football tendered by McNally lacked the “K” ball designation. Yette notified NFL V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil regarding McNally’s attempt to insert a non-“K” ball into the game.

In 1999, the NFL revamped the procedures for the handling of special-teams balls due to concerns that teams were tampering with the balls to enhance their flight on kicks and punts.

Previously, NFL V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent acknowledged that Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson had contacted Kensil during the AFC title game regarding concerns that the Patriots were using underinflated footballs on offense.

It’s unknown whether McNally is the same person who, as Jay Glazer of FOX Sports first reported, was spotted by a surveillance camera at Gillette Stadium taking a bag of footballs into a separate area of the venue. PFT thereafter reported that the separate area was a bathroom, and that the attendant spent roughly 90 seconds inside, with a bag of Patriots and Colts footballs. Ian Rapoport of NFL Media has since reported that the precise number was 98 seconds, and that the attendant was “elderly.”

In the days prior to the Super Bowl, Wells said that the investigation will take several more weeks. As explained during the NBC Super Bowl pregame show, the NFL has hired multiple scientists to conduct experiments regarding the impact of atmospheric conditions on football inflation and to duplicate perpetration activities that, according to Patriots coach Bill Belichick, caused the air pressure inside the footballs to change.

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Can't wait for all of this to come out. And by come out, I mean...can't wait to the see the NFL sweep it under the rug because they can't allow a Super Bowl winning team to have it proven that they cheated to get there.
 

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New ESPN report conflicts with prior claim of football deflation
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2015, 11:36 PM EST
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Buried in the latest curveball from the #DeflateGate investigation is a brand-new case of ESPN-on-ESPN crime.

In her item primarily focusing on the alleged attempt by a Patriots locker-room attendant to give a non-special teams football to officials during the AFC title game, Kelly Naqi of ESPN.com drops a tidbit that conflicts with the report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that transformed the question of deflated footballs from a curiosity into a national sensation.

Regarding the halftime inspection of the footballs at halftime of the Colts-Patriots game, Naqi writes: “One source said [NFL executive Mike] Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by ‘one to two pounds.'”

Reported Mortensen on January 20: “NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.”

Naqi’s report is more consistent with our report from January 25 regarding Mort’s contention that 11 balls were underinflated by two pounds: “As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it,closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.”

Meanwhile, the new report from ESPN ignores the confusing Super Bowl Sunday item from NFL Media insisting that some of the balls were just “a few ticks under” the minimum. While the report contains inherent inconsistencies and was, as one league official told PFT in it’s aftermath, ultimately “wrong,” ESPN’s latest article apparently attempts to tell a comprehensive story about the controversy. It’s impossible to do that without at least mentioning the NFL Media report, especially since the NFL owns NFL Media.

Then again, it’s also impossible to tell a comprehensive story without mentioning Mort’s report that 11 of the balls were two pounds under 12.5 PSI.
 

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And the plan has come to fruition. Beat people to death with a barrage of stories until they just stop wanting to hear about it.
 

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And the plan has come to fruition. Beat people to death with a barrage of stories until they just stop wanting to hear about it.
Seriously, I mean just read this crap:
Regarding the halftime inspection of the footballs at halftime of the Colts-Patriots game, Naqi writes: “One source said [NFL executive Mike] Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by ‘one to two pounds.'”

Reported Mortensen on January 20: “NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.”

Naqi’s report is more consistent with our report from January 25 regarding Mort’s contention that 11 balls were underinflated by two pounds: “As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it,closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.”

Meanwhile, the new report from ESPN ignores the confusing Super Bowl Sunday item from NFL Media insisting that some of the balls were just “a few ticks under” the minimum. While the report contains inherent inconsistencies and was, as one league official told PFT in it’s aftermath, ultimately “wrong,” ESPN’s latest article apparently attempts to tell a comprehensive story about the controversy. It’s impossible to do that without at least mentioning the NFL Media report, especially since the NFL owns NFL Media.

Then again, it’s also impossible to tell a comprehensive story without mentioning Mort’s report that 11 of the balls were two pounds under 12.5 PSI.
I can't tell if you're right on the money or if this is just terrible, terrible, excruciatingly, impossibly boring writing. All it amounts to is a bunch of "he said, she said" without any real conclusion and ultimately you'd have to be crazy not to be sick of it by now.