Boisterous defensive backs continue to shine at Rams training camp

  • To unlock all of features of Rams On Demand please take a brief moment to register. Registering is not only quick and easy, it also allows you access to additional features such as live chat, private messaging, and a host of other apps exclusive to Rams On Demand.

den-the-coach

Fifty-four Forty or Fight
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jan 16, 2013
Messages
22,472
Name
Dennis
Boisterous defensive backs continue to shine at Rams training camp

0801_spo_ldn-l-rams02_24251951_589980-1.jpg

Rams’ Tavon Austin, left, works with wide receivers coach Eric Yarber during a training camp practice at Crawford Field in UCI in Irvine on Monday, July 31, 2017. (Photo by Kyusung Gong, Orange County Register/SCNG)

By RICH HAMMOND

IRVINE — When they’re not slapping hands, encouraging each other and trash-talking receivers, the Rams’ defensive backs are huddled in practice, laughing about a frozen water bottle.

Through three days of training camp at UC Irvine, the Rams’ secondary has made noise on the field as well. The defense clearly has been ahead of the offense, which isn’t atypical for the first week of pass, and on Tuesday, E.J. Gaines returned a Jared Goff tipped pass for a touchdown.

The secondary, not surprisingly, responded with cheers. These guys are happy, because the Rams’ new system, under coordinator Wade Phillips, encourages them to be aggressive and make plays.

“Some defenses are definitely designed for different groups,” Gaines said. “I think Wade’s is designed for the secondary. (Former coordinator) Gregg Williams’ defense was pressure, pressure, pressure, so we had a lot of sacks and our D-line was very productive. This defensive scheme is completely different, so I’m enjoying it, honestly. It’s allowing us to be more free and definitely make plays.”

The Rams added to that collection of potential playmakers during the offseason when they signed cornerbacks Kayvon Webster and Nickell Robey-Coleman to a group that already was fairly deep.

Trumaine Johnson, presumably, is locked into one starting spot, and Robey-Coleman’s main role figures to be as a nickel back. That means, entering camp, the primary competition seems to be between Gaines and Webster for the other starting cornerback job.

The Rams listed Webster, who played under Phillips in Denver, as a projected starter before camp, but Gaines shouldn’t be written off. He has dealt with injury issues, and missed all of the 2015 season, but last year he started 10 games and had 56 tackles.

“There’s not really tension in the room,” Gaines said. “It’s just competition, so everybody is enjoying it.”

That’s noticeable, in an audible sense. Perhaps it’s no surprise, considering that new cornerbacks coach Aubrey Pleasant also brings a lot of energy to the field, and Gaines agreed that the secondary clearly is the loudest of the Rams’ position groups.

“I don’t know why, but it’s normally the defensive line,” Gaines said. “With (former Rams) Will Hayes and Eugene Sims it was just a loud group. But with the new guys that came into the secondary, it’s just the competition and the energy is just crazy in the room. Everybody is enjoying it.

The secondary also periodically gets some “help” from Coach Sean McVay, age 31, who likes to jump into drills and cover receivers and tight ends at times. Asked how he would grade McVay’s cover skills, Gaines laughed loudly and said, “ I’d give him about a 3, and you can tell him I said that.”

Gaines then added, “He’s definitely in tune with the practice. He’s a young guy, like us, and he’s full of energy. All of the coaches are, really, so it’s exciting.”

‘REAL FOOTBALL’

The Rams will practice in full pads on Tuesday for the first time in this camp, but McVay said there will not yet be any periods of “live,” full-tackling practice.

“Now it’s real football,” McVay said. “You want to try to keep guys off the ground. Some of those piles can occur and guys can get hurt, get rolled up on. So we want to try to avoid that but also get it as much like a game-type atmosphere as we can.”

To prepare for the more intense day, McVay gave five veterans the day off Monday: offensive linemen Andrew Whitworth, Rodger Saffold and John Sullivan, defensive lineman Dominique Easley and linebacker Connor Barwin. And of course, the holdout of star defensive lineman Aaron Donald reached a third day.

PHILLIPS OUT

Phillips also missed Monday’s practice. McVay said Phillips encountered “a situation that occurred where he needed to be back for his family.” McVay didn’t elaborate, but said Phillips would return to Southern California on Monday evening.

[www.ocregister.com]
 

Mister Sin

Your friendly neighborhood fat guy!
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Apr 11, 2013
Messages
5,369
Name
Tim
Anyone else a little nervous that our DBs are so damn good? Does that mean they are that good....or possibly the offense is not performing...yet again
 

den-the-coach

Fifty-four Forty or Fight
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jan 16, 2013
Messages
22,472
Name
Dennis
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #3
Anyone else a little nervous that our DBs are so damn good? Does that mean they are that good....or possibly the offense is not performing...yet again

I concur I sure the offense will evolve more, but Wade's defense does allow more press coverage so it's good they a buying into the scheme and the Quarterbacks need to be more accurate and like the pitchers are always ahead of the hitters in spring training, let's hope right now the defense is just ahead of the offense.
 

kurtfaulk

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Sep 7, 2011
Messages
15,986
.

same every year, d always better than the offense in early days of camp.

and then every practice after that.(n)

time for that to change this season with mcvay in charge.

.
 

UKram

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jan 19, 2013
Messages
3,369
.

same every year, d always better than the offense in early days of camp.

and then every practice after that.(n)

time for that to change this season with mcvay in charge.

.


and when it changes watch everyone piss and moan about the D sucking ...oh the life of a rams fan ;)
 

JackDRams

Hall of Fame
Joined
Jun 18, 2014
Messages
4,524
Name
Jack
According to this article, we were fairly deep at defensive back, before the NRC and Webster signings. Glad someone told me. I was under the impression we were short at corner, prior to the signings.
 

BonifayRam

Legend
Joined
Jan 14, 2013
Messages
13,435
Name
Vernon
With the Rams Secondary that most likely will have a new probable #2 BCB(Webster), #3 Nickle(NRC) & a new DB #4 Dime(Gaines)..in addition 2 other new BCB prospects (Penton/Hatfield/Penton/Hill/Jordan/Countess) has been going up against what was a very weak bunch of receivers ......should look real good @ this point in time in Training Camp.o_O

I will re-frame from jumping on this new Ram corner bandwagon as of yet lets see how these perform after a 2 or 3 pre season games have taken place. I still have my doubts about our Boundary CB's. I am sitting up front in the new rearranged safety unit wagon though.:D
 
Last edited:

DaveFan'51

Old-Timer
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
18,666
Name
Dave
“Some defenses are definitely designed for different groups,” Gaines said. “I think Wade’s is designed for the secondary. (Former coordinator) Gregg Williams’ defense was pressure, pressure, pressure, so we had a lot of sacks and our D-line was very productive. This defensive scheme is completely different, so I’m enjoying it, honestly. It’s allowing us to be more free and definitely make plays.”
Even with these changes I expect our "Sack Totals" to rise. They did for Denver under Phillips's Coaching!(y);):D
 

JackDRams

Hall of Fame
Joined
Jun 18, 2014
Messages
4,524
Name
Jack
With the Rams Secondary that most likely will have a new probable #2 BCB(Webster), #3 Nickle(NRC) & a new DB #4 Dime(Gaines)..in addition 2 other new BCB propsects (Penton/Hatfield/Penton/Hill/Jordan/Countess)

What is BCB?
 

LARams_1963

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jun 29, 2016
Messages
2,735
Name
greg
Gaines looked mighty good yesterday. I wouldn't count him out as a starter just yet.
 

KNUCKLEHEAD

I won't say it unless you don't.
Joined
Sep 11, 2014
Messages
553
What is BCB?

Football is littered with specialized terminology. From 12 personnel to press man coverage, commentators rarely get to explain everything you need to know before the next play. Inside The Pylon’s glossary was developed to give fans a deeper understanding of the game through clear explanations, as well as image and video examples. Please contact us with any terms or phrases you’d like to know more about.

Boundary Cornerback
A boundary corner is a cornerback who routinely lines up on the boundary, or shorter side of the field. This distinction is rarely significant at the NFL level, where the hash marks are fairly close together (18’6”) and the areas to either side are similarly sized. The wider hash marks (40 feet apart) in the NCAA mean that the boundary side might only be 60% of the area of the field side. Boundary corner is considered the more challenging position, because with a smaller area to defend, cornerbacks do not get as much safety help as their counterparts on the field side. Defenses will often key their defensive strength based on the width of the field rather than formation, quarterback handedness, personnel matchups, or other factors that might influence where the defense lines up. A boundary corner must often play on an island, with little help in both the pass and run games.



Clemson’s Cordrea Tankersley (#25) is aligned as the boundary corner at the top of the still, while Adrian Baker (#21) is the field corner at the bottom. This play illustrates the importance of the field / boundary distinction for defenses. In this case, Alabama has twin receivers to either side and the running back offset to the quarterback’s right, making the strength of the passing formation to the boundary side. Despite this, Clemson deploys three defensive backs on the field side and only two on the boundary side, concerned with the area they need to cover rather than the strength of the formation.


Some draftniks have taken to using “boundary corner” to describe any cornerbacks who play on the outside rather than in the slot. This usage is confusing given the more precise meaning employed in the college game.

http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/glossary-football-101/2016/05/12/itp-glossary/
 

Soul Surfer

Legend
Joined
Mar 22, 2017
Messages
6,419
Name
Charles Mazyck
CB prospects;(Penton/Hatfield/Penton/Hill/Jordan/Countess)
Of the six you mentioned above, I really like Michael Jordan. On the tape on him I have seen he seems really fluid and mirrors well.

Plus he is 6'1 which is 2inches taller than any of the other prospects.

He looked pretty good as a rookie so if he advances as he should as a second-year player we might have us a prospect.
 

nighttrain

Legend
Joined
Jan 12, 2013
Messages
9,216
According to this article, we were fairly deep at defensive back, before the NRC and Webster signings. Glad someone told me. I was under the impression we were short at corner, prior to the signings.
Wade told us all. watch out for his DB's, would be much better than advertised.
train
 

BonifayRam

Legend
Joined
Jan 14, 2013
Messages
13,435
Name
Vernon
Of the six you mentioned above, I really like Michael Jordan. On the tape on him I have seen he seems really fluid and mirrors well.

Plus he is 6'1 which is 2inches taller than any of the other prospects.

He looked pretty good as a rookie so if he advances as he should as a second-year player we might have us a prospect.
......Has all you could want from a CB except speed to cover deep. Sure looks like a slow 4th or 5th Ram BCB to me. I tend to lean to think his best NFL position will end up @ deep safety. His talents & skills would best fit
 

BonifayRam

Legend
Joined
Jan 14, 2013
Messages
13,435
Name
Vernon
Football is littered with specialized terminology. From 12 personnel to press man coverage, commentators rarely get to explain everything you need to know before the next play. Inside The Pylon’s glossary was developed to give fans a deeper understanding of the game through clear explanations, as well as image and video examples. Please contact us with any terms or phrases you’d like to know more about.



Some draftniks have taken to using “boundary corner” to describe any cornerbacks who play on the outside rather than in the slot. This usage is confusing given the more precise meaning employed in the college game.

http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/glossary-football-101/2016/05/12/itp-glossary/
Thanks

The use of the 3 letter term BCB in our forum is generally used by meso to:
#1 Separate & to further detail the listed Rams CB unit on our roster. Example our current unit has an excellent group of young Nickels & Dime CB/DB's. Whereas the two outside corners DB's IMO can not fit that description.
#2 In using the BCB is a easy short winded term to keep the post as short as possible.

I sure hope that the distance between BCB & Nickel/Dime corners close so we can just use CB.
 

LesBaker

Mr. Savant
Joined
Aug 23, 2012
Messages
17,460
Name
Les
Football is littered with specialized terminology. From 12 personnel to press man coverage, commentators rarely get to explain everything you need to know before the next play. Inside The Pylon’s glossary was developed to give fans a deeper understanding of the game through clear explanations, as well as image and video examples. Please contact us with any terms or phrases you’d like to know more about.

Boundary Cornerback
A boundary corner is a cornerback who routinely lines up on the boundary, or shorter side of the field. This distinction is rarely significant at the NFL level, where the hash marks are fairly close together (18’6”) and the areas to either side are similarly sized. The wider hash marks (40 feet apart) in the NCAA mean that the boundary side might only be 60% of the area of the field side. Boundary corner is considered the more challenging position, because with a smaller area to defend, cornerbacks do not get as much safety help as their counterparts on the field side. Defenses will often key their defensive strength based on the width of the field rather than formation, quarterback handedness, personnel matchups, or other factors that might influence where the defense lines up. A boundary corner must often play on an island, with little help in both the pass and run games.



Clemson’s Cordrea Tankersley (#25) is aligned as the boundary corner at the top of the still, while Adrian Baker (#21) is the field corner at the bottom. This play illustrates the importance of the field / boundary distinction for defenses. In this case, Alabama has twin receivers to either side and the running back offset to the quarterback’s right, making the strength of the passing formation to the boundary side. Despite this, Clemson deploys three defensive backs on the field side and only two on the boundary side, concerned with the area they need to cover rather than the strength of the formation.


Some draftniks have taken to using “boundary corner” to describe any cornerbacks who play on the outside rather than in the slot. This usage is confusing given the more precise meaning employed in the college game.

http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/glossary-football-101/2016/05/12/itp-glossary/

That dude is screwed. He has two WR's in front of him and ZERO help behind him.
 

LACHAMP46

A snazzy title
Joined
Jul 21, 2013
Messages
11,735
Anyone else a little nervous that our DBs are so damn good?
Offense should be behind the defense...on a team like ours....with rare moments of success. Then later look more polished.

I will be worried if our #1's struggle against other teams 1's or 2's in scrimmage games.


I expect Troy Hill and Webster to really shine in Son of Bums defense during real games.
 

Corbin

THIS IS MY BOOOOOMSTICK!!
Rams On Demand Sponsor
2023 Sportsbook Champion
Joined
Nov 9, 2014
Messages
11,154
That dude is screwed. He has two WR's in front of him and ZERO help behind him.
Looks like the Safety lined up at the 45 1/2 yard line responsibility is to take the WR that breaks to the inside and the BCB takes whoever stays on the outside.
 

LesBaker

Mr. Savant
Joined
Aug 23, 2012
Messages
17,460
Name
Les
Looks like the Safety lined up at the 45 1/2 yard line responsibility is to take the WR that breaks to the inside and the BCB takes whoever stays on the outside.

He better hope they don't both break off the ilne and fly up the field. That's risky to have the defender that far off.