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As Rams start roster cuts, QB Davis hanging by a thread
• By Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_335c9879-20b1-5173-a4d8-b0eff085f4f3.html

From a player’s standpoint, this is the worst week of the calendar year in the NFL. League-wide, more than 1,100 players will lose their jobs, and each team’s roster will shrink by one-third in reaching the 53-man regular-season limit.

For many of those released, they will be finished with professional football. The Rams started their process Monday, releasing 11 players and placing cornerback E.J. Gaines on injured reserve.

With the exception of Imoan Claiborne, which was a mild surprise, there was nothing unexpected in the Rams’ initial round of cuts. In fact, you could make the case that the most surprising development Monday is that quarterback Austin Davis is still around.

The handwriting seemingly has been on the wall for some time for Davis after the Rams traded for Nick Foles and Case Keenum and used a third-round draft pick to select Sean Mannion.

Starting with the OTAs in June, Davis’ practice reps were limited, and he has played only three series in the preseason — one in each game. Those series started at the Rams’ 8, 18, and 20, hardly ideal field position.

“I’ve just got to stay ready, take as many mental reps as you can,” Davis said Monday. “And when you do get in, play your best and hopefully what you’ve already put on film is good enough. We’ll see.”

All told, Foles has gotten 10 series of play this preseason, Keenum seven, and Mannion six. Davis has thrown only five passes this preseason compared to 34 for Keenum, 33 for Mannion and 23 for starter Foles.

Davis started eight games last season, winning three. He had back-to-back games of 300 yards-plus passing, albeit in losses to Dallas and Philadelphia. But based on his lack of playing time in the preseason, he has to be sweating these cutdown days as much as any since signing with the Rams as an undrafted rookie out of Southern Mississippi in 2012.

“There’s not a lot that I can do,” Davis said. “Without getting the opportunity to really go out and play, you just kind of roll with the punches and see what happens.

“Kellen Clemens, that’s the one thing he told me my rookie year – control what you can control. I’ve tried to keep that approach from day one. I think it’s served me well. And I think it’s gonna serve me well in this situation.”

There were rumors early in the offseason that the Rams might be shopping Davis, looking for a potential trade. If the team were attempting to do so at this point, one would think he’d be showcased more in the preseason.

He started last year’s preseason finale in Miami, coming less than a week after Sam Bradford’s season-ending knee injury in Cleveland.

The Rams could simply be keeping Davis around this week to help get them through Thursday’s preseason finale against Kansas City, especially since there’s a chance that Foles won’t play at all.

So an ideal situation for Davis against the Chiefs might be a nice long touchdown drive, complete with a couple of third-down conversions. Just to remind the Rams, but more likely the rest of the NFL, what he can do.

“How about start the game, finish the game, and win,” Davis said, smiling. “That’d be a great scenario.”

True, but probably not going to happen.

“You fight and claw for every inch in this league,” Davis said. “It’s been a blessing to be here. Hopefully I can still be here and play as long as they’ll have me.”

Besides Claiborne, the Rams’ roster cuts Monday were wide receivers Damian Williams and Tyler Slavin; offensive linemen Steven Baker, Travis Bond and David Wang; safety Jay Hughes; punter/kicker Michael Palardy; and long snapper Tyler Ott.

In addition, tight end Brad Smelly and linebacker Korey Toomer were waived/injured.

Among the group only Toomer and Williams appeared in any games for the Rams last year. Williams played in two games but had no catches. Toomer appeared in seven games and had five special teams tackles. A high ankle sprain probably ended Toomer’s chances of making the 2015 roster.

Those moves leave the Rams with 77 players; two more must be released before 3 p.m. Tuesday, which is the deadline for reaching the 75-man roster limit.

The deadline for reaching the regular-season roster limit of 53 is 5 p.m. Saturday.

“It’s a difficult day,” Fisher said. “We just appreciate all the young guys’ efforts. They came in here, and they got opportunities and they got better. They should feel good about what they did. They helped us become a better football team. Cutdown day’s a tough day.”

Especially for Claiborne, who had three tackles, a pass breakup and an interception (against Oakland) in 49 plays on defense this preseason. Although he didn’t have ideal speed, Claiborne showed good coverage instincts and ball skills on the practice field. Following Gaines’ season-ending injury, it looked like he had a chance to make the roster as the team’s fifth cornerback.

“He played good, he made plays,” Fisher said. “He’s a potential practice squad candidate, but just because of the other positions and numbers, it just didn’t work out for us. We’ve got depth there.

“The other two young guys are doing good. You, know, those are our decisions. We have to stand by our decisions.”

Janoris Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson, Lamarcus Joyner, and Marcus Roberson are clearly ensconced as the team’s top four corners. Remaining on the roster behind them are Brandon McGee, Trovon Reed and Montell Garner.

McGee, a fifth-round draft pick in 2013, has missed all but one day of training camp with a foot injury and looks like a candidate for a waived/injured designation. Garner is an undrafted rookie from South Alabama; Reed, a rookie from Auburn, wasn’t signed until Aug. 4, or several days into camp.
 

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Fisher is not a poker player. He's not. Cut Mcgee and sign him to the PS and no one would even notice.

With the exception of Imoan Claiborne, which was a mild surprise

Hello. I'm sorry, I'm keeping this healthy guy.

Davis started eight games last season, winning three.

And it's a shock he's still on the team? Yes, it is. There are a half dozen players I would look at PS 4 other than Davis.
 

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The Colts game really confused me, Fisher gave Keenum and Davis one series each, why? Didn't make sense to me. Hasselbeck on the other hand who is the back-up to Luck played most of the 2nd half.

If you wanted to see what Davis had or to showcase for a trade, why not play the guy the rest of the game if you planned on only playing your backup one series. No they go with Mannion most of the 2nd half I guess the plan was to give the rookie more reps considering hopefully he won't get any in the regular season.

However, I don't understand Fisher here and I don't like it. I stand by my posts that preseason games don't count, but they matter! You set the tone in the preseason for the regular season and committing dumb penalties and not looking crisp does not bode well for the regular season IMHO and I realize some of you don't feel this is an issue and that's fine, we all take different approaches to various things.

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Fisher is not a poker player. He's not. Cut Mcgee and sign him to the PS and no one would even notice.



Hello. I'm sorry, I'm keeping this healthy guy.



And it's a shock he's still on the team? Yes, it is. There are a half dozen players I would look at PS 4 other than Davis.


I would cut McGee. They got rid of Bradford because he couldn't stay healthy. Why not Brandon?

In Fishers defense though Claibourne looked a little slow compared to the other corners.
 

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The Colts game really confused me, Fisher gave Keenum and Davis one series each, why? Didn't make sense to me. Hasselbeck on the other hand who is the back-up to Luck played most of the 2nd half.

If you wanted to see what Davis had or to showcase for a trade, why not play the guy the rest of the game if you planned on only playing your backup one series. No they go with Mannion most of the 2nd half I guess the plan was to give the rookie more reps considering hopefully he won't get any in the regular season.

However, I don't understand Fisher here and I don't like it. I stand by my posts that preseason games don't count, but they matter! You set the tone in the preseason for the regular season and committing dumb penalties and not looking crisp does not bode well for the regular season IMHO and I realize some of you don't feel this is an issue and that's fine, we all take different approaches to various things.

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Davis has no trade value and we all know what he has, they're probably just using him as a pincushion for punishment and to see if there's any radical change in him before giving him his walking papers. Just because Jim Thomas said there were rumors doesn't mean it's an actuality.

You got to see what you have in Mannion, who in all likelihood is going to be better than both Davis and Keenum. Like you said, you have to get him reps because unless everything goes horribly wrong for us, God willing he's not going to be getting reps in the regular season for a while. Where else but the preseason?

Keenum basically made his case for being #2 the game before, if you ask me he's already won that job so there's no reason to throw him out there just to try to win a preseason game.

Also I'm not particularly worried, the game against the Colts eased my worries actually. I remind you, which team was winning when the first teams finally left the field? Who had to throw their first team back out there again to try and regain some momentum only to embarrass themselves against second stringers? I'm not particularly worried that their 3rd and 4th stringers beat up on ours, it was a good showing from our first teams.
 

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Not sure why Keenum gets the default "nod" from so many around here. Davis played pretty well for us considering it was really his first live game action with the starters. What exactly has Keenum done to deserve the job? One long pass to Givens? One decent game against another teams backups? Davis' career rating is nearly 10 points higher than Keenums, and he did not have the luxury of playing with Arian Foster and Andre Johnson.Not saying I don't like Case, I just don't see the separation from him to AD the same as many others.
 

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The Colts game really confused me, Fisher gave Keenum and Davis one series each, why? Didn't make sense to me. Hasselbeck on the other hand who is the back-up to Luck played most of the 2nd half.

If you wanted to see what Davis had or to showcase for a trade, why not play the guy the rest of the game if you planned on only playing your backup one series. No they go with Mannion most of the 2nd half I guess the plan was to give the rookie more reps considering hopefully he won't get any in the regular season.

However, I don't understand Fisher here and I don't like it. I stand by my posts that preseason games don't count, but they matter! You set the tone in the preseason for the regular season and committing dumb penalties and not looking crisp does not bode well for the regular season IMHO and I realize some of you don't feel this is an issue and that's fine, we all take different approaches to various things.

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Sheesh, just because we don't panic about something we have no control over doesn't mean we have our head in the sand.

Of course the offense is going to struggle, and we have a tough start against Seattle. It's going to be ugly, but if you don't want to watch ...
 

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I much prefer CK and Mannion to Davis. If they can get anything from trading AD I will be delighted.
 

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Not sure why Keenum gets the default "nod" from so many around here. Davis played pretty well for us considering it was really his first live game action with the starters. What exactly has Keenum done to deserve the job? One long pass to Givens? One decent game against another teams backups? Davis' career rating is nearly 10 points higher than Keenums, and he did not have the luxury of playing with Arian Foster and Andre Johnson.Not saying I don't like Case, I just don't see the separation from him to AD the same as many others.
Because he actually proved with that deep ball that he has an arm, something Davis did not do in his entirety of his time playing for us,vbecause Keenum protects the ball. He's got one less INT than Davis in the span of two seasons than Davis in one, who knows how much bigger the disparity would be if Davis had been allowed to play longer. Also we spent a 7th on him and Fisher has been highly complementary of him and he hasn't done anything to disprove any of that. In fact he's done pretty much everything you'd ask for a backup.

I mean you basically answered your own question when your only defense of how Davis was better was rating and nothing else.

Davis is a pick machine waiting to happen, with a below average arm which doesn't make up for his poor decision making.

Keenum has an average arm, better decision making skills, which makes him a better back up. He's not a starter by any means, but he can come in, manage the game and maybe steal one. Something that you can't expect of Davis, not anymore.
 

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Sheesh, just because we don't panic about something we have no control over doesn't mean we have our head in the sand.

Of course the offense is going to struggle, and we have a tough start against Seattle. It's going to be ugly, but if you don't want to watch ...

I'm just pointing out the obvious I hope I'm wrong I hope everything comes together with Gurley later and the defense is not prone to give up big plays and is able to be more consistent that last year, but I was hoping to see a tad more in preseason...Guess I will just take a wait and see approach, but I've been watching since John Hadl so I assure you @Zaphod I'll be watching.
 

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Also I'm not particularly worried, the game against the Colts eased my worries actually. I remind you, which team was winning when the first teams finally left the field? Who had to throw their first team back out there again to try and regain some momentum only to embarrass themselves against second stringers? I'm not particularly worried that their 3rd and 4th stringers beat up on ours, it was a good showing from our first teams.

I'm a tad confused here, the first stringers in the game that I watched had the Colts leading at half time 13-7 and I'm quite sure Andrew Luck did not return after half time so again, I'm a tad confused, but it would not be the first time.
 

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I'm a tad confused here, the first stringers in the game that I watched had the Colts leading at half time 13-7 and I'm quite sure Andrew Luck did not return after half time so again, I'm a tad confused, but it would not be the first time.
You are correct, our first stringers didn't lead them when they left, that was my mistake.

But Luck did come back out after half time, he played the first downs of the 3rd, immediately fumbled to Bryce Hager and then Keenum lead our team to score on what was pretty much still the Colts' first team D.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20150...p3000000517920&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay
 

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I'm just pointing out the obvious I hope I'm wrong I hope everything comes together with Gurley later and the defense is not prone to give up big plays and is able to be more consistent that last year, but I was hoping to see a tad more in preseason...Guess I will just take a wait and see approach, but I've been watching since John Hadl so I assure you @Zaphod I'll be watching.
I have no doubt that we're headed for another rough start, and I really think that our first game against the team that almost won the super bowl is going to be ugly for us, regardless of how poorly they've played in the preseason. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm excited about the first game of the season.

I just felt like calling people out with an ostrich picture for their optimism and excitement was distasteful and inaccurate.
 

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Because he actually proved with that deep ball that he has an arm, something Davis did not do in his entirety of his time playing for us
Yeah, I would guess that ball went about as far as the ball Davis hit Quick with in the Dallas game. Maybe a yeard or 2 further if that.
He's got one less INT than Davis in the span of two seasons than Davis in one,
And one less TD.
I mean you basically answered your own question when your only defense of how Davis was better was rating and nothing else.
Huh? How was that my only defense??? I said I liked what I saw in Davis a lot of the time last year. I stated as much on here plenty of times. Would I want him as my starting QB? Not in an ideal world, no. Would I trust him with the keys for a few games? Absolutely. Because I have seen what he can do when he is playing well. Like I said, I don't dislike CK one bit...have no reason to, but I also do not see how he is head and shoulders above AD. I just don't.
 

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No surprise but at least we won't have to dick around with Wang humor any more...Oh geez, please make me stop...
Yes! Please stop! But it did seem like the O-Line needed VIAGRA with him in their!
 

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I just assume Davis is still around just in case of an injury against KC. It would suck if the Rams cut him, he signed elsewhere, and then the Rams needed a new backup QB.

Plus I suspect the Rams are sort of hoping that Davis hangs around so he can be signed as a free agent midway through the season in case of injury.
 

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Yeah, I would guess that ball went about as far as the ball Davis hit Quick with in the Dallas game. Maybe a yeard or 2 further if that.

And one less TD.

Huh? How was that my only defense??? I said I liked what I saw in Davis a lot of the time last year. I stated as much on here plenty of times. Would I want him as my starting QB? Not in an ideal world, no. Would I trust him with the keys for a few games? Absolutely. Because I have seen what he can do when he is playing well. Like I said, I don't dislike CK one bit...have no reason to, but I also do not see how he is head and shoulders above AD. I just don't.

Throwing a deep ball occasionally to make up for every other lofting into the arms of your opposition doesn't mean you're at all the same. Chad Pennington once threw an 80 yard bomb, does that mean his arm strength was equivalent of Brett Favre's? Besides, if that's the case Keenum's career long is still 7 yards deeper.

The Y/A, AY/A Y/C tell the tale, Keenum got more in less. Davis' was bolstered by short passes and checkdowns, pretty much sure completions that didn't exactly help us but was what he was trusted to take, because when he started slinging games like the rest of the Dallas game happened, where he proceeded to throw picks sixes late and took the air out of the team. The only reason the two are comparable is because Keenum had those average games when he took over for Fitz.

He threw one more TD, so that makes up for the fact that his pick to TD ratio is higher than anything Keenum has done in his career? The guy has 3 2 pick games, in comparison Keenum only has 1. All while having a better deep game, his deep accuracy and arm and decision making are light years ahead of Davis' the stats don't lie.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Davis and I'm happy for his contributions, but Keenum's career path has already pretty much proven just about all we need to know.
 

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Not sure why Keenum gets the default "nod" from so many around here. Davis played pretty well for us considering it was really his first live game action with the starters. What exactly has Keenum done to deserve the job? One long pass to Givens? One decent game against another teams backups? Davis' career rating is nearly 10 points higher than Keenums, and he did not have the luxury of playing with Arian Foster and Andre Johnson.Not saying I don't like Case, I just don't see the separation from him to AD the same as many others.
The Rams traded for him and pretty clearly the coaches prefer him.
I think they believe he is more reliable than Davis. I don't know how true that is, but, it is pretty clear the coaches feel that way. Just goes to show about loyalty in this business. That is why every player should make every dime he can while he can. Loyalty does not really exist in this business.
I could see David being picked up by someone once he is cut.