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Arm chair GM 1st Rd Mock Draft-Pick #13 St Louis Rams

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by Mojo Ram, Mar 28, 2014.

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St Louis Rams pick #13

  1. Aaron Donald

    30.4%
  2. Ha Ha Dix

    34.8%
  3. Darqueze Dennard

    21.7%
  4. Calvin Pryor

    7.2%
  5. Bradley Roby

    0 votes
    0.0%
  6. Odell Beckham

    1.4%
  7. Ryan Shazier

    0 votes
    0.0%
  8. CJ Mosley

    1.4%
  9. Xavier Su'a-filo

    0 votes
    0.0%
  10. OTHER(write in)

    2.9%
  1. OnceARam Well-Known Member

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    I'm a fan of building through the trenches. Plus the FS out there aren't very good. Ha-Ha ran a 4.6... He's not going to be able to cover a fast TE. So what's the point in drafting him in the first when we can get someone equally as good in the 2nd or 3rd?
     
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  2. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Point taken, but Dix is not a cover CB.

    And Ed Reed also had 15 INTs and 29 PDs during those years.
     
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  3. Flipper_336 Well-Known Member

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    So speed equals quality, does it?

    These were the fastest TEs at the combine:

    A.C. Leonard, Tennessee State 4.50
    Eric Ebron, North Carolina 4.60
    Colt Lyerla, Oregon 4.61
    Trey Burton, Florida 4.62
    Jace Amaro, Texas Tech 4.74

    Of course, they're going to be drafted in that order and Leonard will definitely be drafted before Clinton-Dix.
     
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  4. TheDYVKX THE D

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    Dix will be way overdrafted at #13. He's not worth the pick and he's not even close to the best prospect available. Don't reach for need.
     
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  5. Flipper_336 Well-Known Member

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    So you're saying that you're absolutely certain that in ten years' time, when the class of '14 can be properly evaluated, there will be twelve players better than Clinton-Dix?

    No?

    Thought not.
     
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  6. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    True. And that is where I was going with the use of only one stat. Like I said though. I am not advocating for Dix as our pick at 13. I still think our coaches like our safeties more than we do as fans and from what little I've watched of him, I don't see Dix as a big upgrade. With the 13th pick, I'm looking for a big upgrade. Guess we'll see.

    Personally, my view is that we have a chance to grab an elite level O-lineman with our first pick. Other than that, we should go with BPA almost regardless of need and if it weren't for the talent of the O-linemen in the draft, I'd say go BPA with that pick as well.

    Every team has holes. The idea that we will ever be able to completely fill all the holes is a pipe dream. To me - you go after players that are going to be stars at their position. Those players generally either require double teams by the other team or mean you don't have to give help to that position on your team. If you are able to shut down the run and get to the QB quickly, you don't necessarily have to have the lock down corners. If you have a great defensive backfield, you give your D-line more time to get to the QB. If your D-line can shut down the run, your DBs can freelance more. If you have a stellar O-line, your QB, RB, and receivers will generally look better. If you have a CJ type receiver, your O-line and QB can look like studs even though they are not.

    So is Dix the guy? I dunno. But I doubt the number of tackles alone will be what the coaches use to determine that. If he is that guy who doesn't need help or who makes the unit around him better, or is capable of making game changing plays, I think that is what makes him a good pick.
     
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  7. TheDYVKX THE D

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    I'm not talking in 10 years time. I'm talking about as of RIGHT NOW, Clinton-Dix is not the #13 overall prospect. Rated by anybody. No way is he the best guy available at this scenario.

    We cannot predict the future and see who will or will not be good. We can only look and see where players are rated RIGHT NOW and where we would take them RIGHT NOW, and I would not take Clinton-Dix at #13 RIGHT NOW if I was GM.

    Cannot reach for need. Have to take players where need meets value, and the value just isn't right here.
     
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  8. Flipper_336 Well-Known Member

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    That's the problem with you draftniks: no long-term strategy.

    :whistle:
     
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  9. TheDYVKX THE D

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    So you want to take a lesser player because he MIGHT be better in the future, when players like Aaron Donald are clearly better NOW and project to be better as well? Filling a need is fine, passing over a great talent is not.

    Regardless, HHCD has little upside left, as usual with Alabama players. He's basically maxed out as a player. If you want long-term strategy, wouldn't Pryor be the better player for you anyway?
     
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  10. BonifayRam Well-Known Member

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    That's putting that very nicely....HIGHLY overrated would have been closer to the point.
     
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  11. Flipper_336 Well-Known Member

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    Difference of opinion, my friend. I'd say that Donald, at 6 foot nothing and already at 285 lbs, is more maxed out than HCD. Furthermore, I think that Donald will find tossing NFL-conditioned linemen to one side far more difficult than HCD will covering NFL receivers; there's a much bigger difference in professional development (that is, improvement from their college days) between linemen and receivers.
     
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  12. TheDYVKX THE D

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    Then we will have to agree to disagree.
     
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  13. Flipper_336 Well-Known Member

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    Indeed we will. Peace.

    :cool:
     
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  14. Dagonet Grillin and Chillin

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    Someone please vote, and vote for Dennard. :cool:
     
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  15. OnceARam Well-Known Member

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    Have you forgotten about a guy named Vernon Davis?
     
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  16. Alan Well-Known Member

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    I'm assuming from this that you prefer Matthews over Robinson correct?
     
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  17. TheDYVKX THE D

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    Yeah, I do like Matthews more. I'm not into projects in the first round. Upside is great and you should look for that, but they need to be ready to play and play well RIGHT NOW as well. Just don't see Clinton-Dix being anything other than an average NFL safety with no upside.

    That being said, I'm fine with Robinson because he can play guard immediately and would almost certainly excel. But I prefer Matthews because he's not raw in pass protection.
     
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  18. Alan Well-Known Member

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    That's what I thought. :)
     
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  19. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    Doesn't he play for some freak nut team out west?
     
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  20. Flipper_336 Well-Known Member

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    So? Davis ran a 4.38 at the combine all those years ago. Whoopee.

    It's not as if Ha Ha (or whichever safety we play) is going to have to turn and run to catch up with Davis anyway. They'll be watching the play develop in front of them, and Clinton-Dix reads the game very well indeed.
     
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