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LA Rams' O-line Woes Putting Super Bowl Defense in Serious Jeopardy

The Los Angeles Rams offensive line is among the worst in the entire NFL. If things don't change soon, the reigning Super Bowl champions hopes of a title defense will be lost.

By Greg Beacham •​

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The Los Angeles Rams have the least productive rushing offense in the NFL. No quarterback in the league has been sacked or pressured more times than Matthew Stafford.

Nobody needs advanced analytics to determine that the Super Bowl champions' offensive line is failing. The problems were obvious on practically every offensive snap in Los Angeles' 22-10 home loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday.

And if the Rams (2-3) don’t figure it out up front soon, their entire season is at risk.

The big men themselves understand they look like the weak link after another week of struggles in basic areas for a team that had one of the NFL's best offenses last season and for much of coach Sean McVay's tenure.

That's why right tackle Rob Havenstein, a team captain and the second longest-tenured player on the Rams' roster, led a linemen-only meeting after Monday's film session.

“I'd say we've lost a little bit of our foundation of the success we've had over the years," Havenstein said. "Whether it's communication, effort, technique, I think some of that has been slipping. There was a handful of plays yesterday that just can't happen. It's inexcusable stuff.

"The only good thing is it's early enough in the season where we can get back to work and write the script the way we want to write it, but that's a mindset thing we've got to change, and we've got to do it, starting today."

The practical reasons for the Rams’ O-line problems are obvious: After two starters from last season's championship team departed, the three first-stringers and their top two backups on the interior line have all had significant injury absences, leaving Los Angeles to play third- and fourth-stringers at left guard, center and right guard.

That’s no excuse to Havenstein, who knows the Rams’ success depends on the entire line’s improvement.

Stafford has taken 21 sacks this season after the Cowboys dropped him five times. Only Indianapolis' Matt Ryan has been sacked that many times through five games, and while Stafford's health still appears to be solid, it's dangerous to allow a 34-year-old quarterback to receive that many big hits.

Stafford also lost two fumbles while being sacked by Dallas, and he threw his seventh interception of the season. He has 11 turnovers this season — well behind Ryan's league-leading 18, but still not good.

According to Next Gen Stats, Stafford has been pressured a league-high 73 times in five games. That's more than Carson Wentz (71) or Ryan (64). Stafford is facing only the fourth-highest pressure percentage at 34.3%.

“It’s our job to make sure guys aren’t in his face,” Havenstein said. “That pretty much falls exclusively on us, and we have to do a much better job. I think that comes down to a mindset thing. Physical mistakes are going to happen, but our mindset the last couple of games hasn’t been right. That’s something we’re going to address at practice.”

WHAT'S WORKING

Aaron Donald and the Rams' defensive line are playing solidly despite the Cowboys' 163 yards on the ground, with roughly a third of that coming on one TD run by Tony Pollard. Donald had two sacks and lined up extensively as an edge rusher, while A'Shawn Robinson and Greg Gaines were stout up front.

WHAT NEEDS HELP

There's no easy solution to the Rams' offensive line woes. Although they recently signed NFL veterans Oday Aboushi and Matt Skura for depth, the Rams have mostly played returning players who know the team's schemes. Those incumbents aren't getting the job done, and it might be time to give the new guys a shot.

STOCK UP

Tutu Atwell's first NFL reception was a beautiful 54-yard grab. The downside is that the Rams' second-round pick in the 2021 draft didn't make his first NFL catch until the fifth game of his second season. Los Angeles needs more out from a rare high draft choice — who, as many Rams fans will tell you, was chosen six picks before outstanding Kansas City center Creed Humphrey — but at least Atwell finally showed he has something to give.

STOCK DOWN

Allen Robinson's lack of impact on the Rams' offense has gone from a light joke to a serious problem. The prized free-agent acquisition had three catches for 12 yards on five targets against Dallas, and he's caught only 12 passes for 107 yards in five games. Stafford rarely appears to look his way, and Robinson hasn't done much with his few catches.

INJURIES

Edwards didn't finish the game after being evaluated for a concussion in the second half following a hit to the head. He didn't play the previous week against San Francisco after reporting possible concussion symptoms.

KEY NUMBER

312 — The Rams' total net yards rushing this season after getting 38 against Dallas. That's the fewest in the NFL and far below the usual production in McVay's offenses. LA is also dead last with 62.4 yards per game, and its 3.2 yards per carry are 31st, leading only Tampa Bay (3.1).

NEXT STEPS

A visit from struggling Carolina (1-4) six days after Matt Rhule's firing and with P.J. Walker under center right before LA's bye week is a golden opportunity for the Rams to get better. If they waste it, they'll be in an enormous hole.
 

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I may be wrong but Noteboom was the only one I don't remember seeing missing blocks horribly. Not saying he was all pro level but the rest of the guys were really bad.

Sean McVay assesses Joe Noteboom's performance on Rams offensive line​

John Dillon /October 13, 2022


Injuries on their offensive line have come to define the Los Angeles Rams’ season through five weeks. With a favorable matchup against the Carolina Panthers looming on Sunday’s schedule, it would appear that the team is positioning itself to do everything it can to mitigate the effect of its starters’ absence.

Head coach Sean McVay addressed what he has seen from one offensive lineman in particular on Wednesday, telling reporters that tackle Joe Noteboom is progressing well in the Rams’ system. Asked how he would assess the lineman’s performance through five games, he explained that Noteboom is on track with what the team expected of him heading into the season.

“I think it’s been some things that are in alignment with what we expect from Joe,” McVay said. “Then there’s some things that he could do at a higher level. I think he’d be the first to be able to tell you that. The consistency is something that we’re hunting up from all of our players. But the good thing is that you’ve seen enough positives over the course of Joe’s career to really be able to build on it. Let’s learn from those things. He still is a young developing player, but we want to be able to see that growth and maturation occur a little bit more quickly. I do have a lot of confidence in Joe that that will get done.”

A third-round pick by Los Angeles in the 2018 draft, Noteboom has started in almost 20 games for the Rams over the course of his young career. He is still just 27 years old, so it isn’t out of the question that he might continue to get better as he hones his technique and understanding of McVay’s offensive schemes.

As injuries to the front five are a key talking point ahead of the Rams’ Week 6 matchup, Noteboom may be thrust into a key role this week as one of the team’s most-tenured linemen. His performance is likely to make or break Los Angeles’ chances of getting back above the .500 mark.
 

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Sean McVay assesses Joe Noteboom's performance on Rams offensive line​

John Dillon /October 13, 2022


Injuries on their offensive line have come to define the Los Angeles Rams’ season through five weeks. With a favorable matchup against the Carolina Panthers looming on Sunday’s schedule, it would appear that the team is positioning itself to do everything it can to mitigate the effect of its starters’ absence.

Head coach Sean McVay addressed what he has seen from one offensive lineman in particular on Wednesday, telling reporters that tackle Joe Noteboom is progressing well in the Rams’ system. Asked how he would assess the lineman’s performance through five games, he explained that Noteboom is on track with what the team expected of him heading into the season.

“I think it’s been some things that are in alignment with what we expect from Joe,” McVay said. “Then there’s some things that he could do at a higher level. I think he’d be the first to be able to tell you that. The consistency is something that we’re hunting up from all of our players. But the good thing is that you’ve seen enough positives over the course of Joe’s career to really be able to build on it. Let’s learn from those things. He still is a young developing player, but we want to be able to see that growth and maturation occur a little bit more quickly. I do have a lot of confidence in Joe that that will get done.”

A third-round pick by Los Angeles in the 2018 draft, Noteboom has started in almost 20 games for the Rams over the course of his young career. He is still just 27 years old, so it isn’t out of the question that he might continue to get better as he hones his technique and understanding of McVay’s offensive schemes.

As injuries to the front five are a key talking point ahead of the Rams’ Week 6 matchup, Noteboom may be thrust into a key role this week as one of the team’s most-tenured linemen. His performance is likely to make or break Los Angeles’ chances of getting back above the .500 mark.
As bad as this situation with the Rams OL is ......I stand firm that Ram's OT unit is far from being the problem.

Last season when the Rams won it all in 2021 when the Rams depended on & rode Havenstein, Noteboom, Evans, Jackson & Whitworth as their OT ensemble to win it all.

Whitworth the departed member of that OT ensemble missed 5 full games & majority of another in 2021. So from that, I find it hard to think otherwise here on the present 2022 OT ensemble with the addition of rookie AJ Arcuri replacing Whitworth all of a sudden to into :crap: . Noteboom (316 snaps) & Jackson (247 snaps) filled in for Whitworth @ LT last season.

I believe ROD members would mostly be in agreement that the primary issue with this OL is elsewhere. The integrity of this interior Ram OL has been destroyed by injuries.

The current Ram starting OL'ers Jackson & Evans are OT's not OG's by the measure of their acquired skills in College & NFL experience. In addition, the current reserve to Jackson/Evans is also not OG's by trade either.

Oday Aboushi has far more past experience in college/NFL playing OT. Matt Skura is also far more center in college/NFL playing OC. The only other current Ram option left untapped who is an OG in a long-term reserve capacity since 2019 is Chandler Brewer.

One would think Snead/McVay/Car berry would have understood that it is way past time that Ram Org. consider a change to their past practice of how it procures its OG unit in this interior OL.

How does the ROD family feel about this specific OL subject?

My position has been clear for a long long time that they finally bring in skilled OG's instead of spending time morphing pass blocking OT's & OC's to fill their team's OG positions.

This current ongoing failure that continues in the interior of the Ram OL is partially Self-Evident made by their own business practices and decisions.
 
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Self Evident.
Self-made.
BOTH
If we jump ahead about 6 months do we see any bonified UFA OG's who may be a good fit to help this pathetic interior OL for the 2023 season? Snead does have some future 1st & 2nd-day draft selections adding up.



My review of the list of UFA OG's & centers is :scream::hellno::sick::sick2:
 
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If we jump ahead about 6 months do we see any bonified UFA OG's who may be a good fit to help this pathetic interior OL for the 2023 season? Snead does have some future 1st & 2nd-day draft selections adding up.



My review of the list of UFA OG's & centers is :scream::hellno::sick::sick2:


 

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My kingdom for a big olé country boy center not named Humphrey.
 

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My kingdom for a big olé country boy center not named Humphrey.

Another nice thing about him is that he has OG experience as well, so he could start at LG and eventually replace Allen at Center. jmo.
 

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As bad as this situation with the Rams OL is ......I stand firm that Ram's OT unit is far from being the problem.

Last season when the Rams won it all in 2021 when the Rams depended on & rode Havenstein, Noteboom, Evans, Jackson & Whitworth as their OT ensemble to win it all.

Whitworth the departed member of that OT ensemble missed 5 full games & majority of another in 2021. So from that, I find it hard to think otherwise here on the present 2022 OT ensemble with the addition of rookie AJ Arcuri replacing Whitworth all of a sudden to into :crap: . Noteboom (316 snaps) & Jackson (247 snaps) filled in for Whitworth @ LT last season.

I believe ROD members would mostly be in agreement that the primary issue with this OL is elsewhere. The integrity of this interior Ram OL has been destroyed by injuries.

The current Ram starting OL'ers Jackson & Evans are OT's not OG's by the measure of their acquired skills in College & NFL experience. In addition, the current reserve to Jackson/Evans is also not OG's by trade either.

Oday Aboushi has far more past experience in college/NFL playing OT. Matt Skura is also far more center in college/NFL playing OC. The only other current Ram option left untapped who is an OG in a long-term reserve capacity since 2019 is Chandler Brewer.

One would think Snead/McVay/Car berry would have understood that it is way past time that Ram Org. consider a change to their past practice of how it procures its OG unit in this interior OL.

How does the ROD family feel about this specific OL subject?

My position has been clear for a long long time that they finally bring in skilled OG's instead of spending time morphing pass blocking OT's & OC's to fill their team's OG positions.

This current ongoing failure that continues in the interior of the Ram OL is partially Self-Evident made by their own business practices and decisions.

Great post and I 100% agree. I’d also add that Havenstein’s recent comments don’t reflect a ringing endorsement of Carberry.
 

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Agree! I made the change and took your advice which is always a smart thing to do!;)
FWIW it was not for correction your posts are always above reproach. I just figured we don’t read or hear self “evident” often besides the Declaration of Independence so I thought this was a perfect time for it.