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Bonsignore: Rams' latest change again does nothing to fix their problems under Jeff Fisher
Nov. 20, 2016

Updated Nov. 21, 2016 8:51 a.m.

By VINCENT BONSIGNORE / STAFF COLUMNIST

LOS ANGELES – Leave it to the kid with all of one NFL game under his belt to provide the spot-on analysis of the sorry state of the Rams affairs.

And in an unintentional, roundabout way put the onus right on Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who has overseen this nonsense for five years running and no longer deserves a sixth year to finally get it right.

Enough is enough.

It's not working.

Never has, likely never will.


No matter how many promises Fisher makes to get things fixed week after week after week, come Sunday afternoon it's Groundhog Day, Rams style.

And Jared Goff is on to it.

“Seems like it’s been a story for a while now.” Goff said after another week of self-inflicted Rams wounds.

Nailed it.

But then, the rookie quarterback from Cal had a front-row seat to the madness and frustration over the first nine games of the season. Which, when you think about it, makes him an expert on these sorts of things by now.

Of the same old tired mistakes and penalties and excuses and putrid offense and blown games. All of which reared their ugly heads – again – in the Rams’ spirit-numbing 14-10 loss Sunday to the Miami Dolphins in which the they essentially gift-wrapped the Dolphins’ two touchdowns over the final five minutes to ruin all the good vibes of Goff's first career start.

As first turns go, Goff played OK while completing 17 of 31 passes for 134 yards. Operating in the Rams’ deliberate, careful, safe offense – OK, OK, overly cautious, boring, and playing-not-to-lose offense – Goff avoided any critical mistakes and helped build the 10-0 lead they carried into the final five minutes.

But it all came crumbling down from that point on.

By ways and means it always seems to fall apart for the Rams.

That Goff was an active participant Sunday rather than the sideline observer he'd been the first nine games only changed his vantage point.

Otherwise, it was the same nonsense it's always been.

This year and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that.

And certainly on Sunday, when the Rams sprung out of the starter's blocks like Usain Bolt and led from beginning to near end. Then, just as they reached for the finish line, their feet got tangled, their bodies began to wobble and thud, they crumbled to the ground in a heap as the Dolphins sprinted right past them for the win.

“We just need to stay out of our own way,” Goff said, trying to make sense of it all.

And doing a pretty darn good job of it, actually.

Get out of their own way indeed.

Might as well get used to it, kid.

As long Fisher is your boss anyway.

That same old story you referenced is sadly and poignantly accurate.

Want your mind blown? The Rams fell to 4-6 for the fourth straight year under Fisher. And the season before that they were 3-6-1 at the 10-game point with him as the coach.

You have to try really, really hard to pull off that kind of dubious feat.

Or be really, really bad.

What's so frustrating is the Rams really aren't that bad, though. They play playoff-caliber defense and their special teams are aces and they are competitive every time they take the field.

Yet somehow, some way, they always wind up 4-6 or worse 10 games into a season under Fisher before ending up 7-9 or worse.

They've changed quarterbacks and offensive coordinators. They've invested high picks in the offensive line. They've rebuilt the defense. They drafted offensive weapons such as Todd Gurley Tavon Austin with top 10 picks

They've changed and altered and tinkered and talked over and over about fixing things and addressing issues and getting problems solved.

But nothing ever gets fixed.

It's just lather, rinse and repeat.

The offense remains in a standstill, partly out of talent but also handcuffed by philosophy.

Fisher is married to a punishing run game and a deliberate approach to the pass game in which short, careful passes are preferred over big shots down field.

It's an understandable approach, especially with a defense as good as the Rams'.

But there is a major flaw, and it goes right to the heart of Fisher's biggest problem.

His teams aren't disciplined enough to carry the plan out from beginning to end.

Fisher's offense is so deliberate, and the defense so good, games are inherently close. So close that there's literally no margin for error.

And the Rams are anything but perfect, as their eight penalties proved again on Sunday.

Almost all the penalties severely wounded the Rams, be it Greg Robinson's block in the back to nullify a Goff first-down scramble, or Alec Ogletree's unnecessary roughness penalty to aid the Dolphins’ first touchdown drive, or Aaron Donald's roughing-the-passer infraction to assist their winning touchdown march.

You can't say it's a one-game deal, either.

Because it happens week after week after week. The Rams came into Sunday committing the fourth most penalties in the league. It's been an issue for years.

The one constant is Fisher. It's his team and his vision.

And really, his failure.

“We've got a lot of things to improve on,” he said.

It sounded remarkably like what he said after the five previous losses.

The last five years, for that matter.

Enough is enough already.

It's not working.

http://www.rams-news.com/bonsignore-rams-latest-change-nothing-fix-problems-jeff-fisher/
 
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Yep-think most of us have been in this mindset for quite some time. Changes have to happen-so I am thinking ahead. My only concern is do we have the right people to identify the absolute best candidates or will we be back in the same place after another 5 years.
 

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Yep-think most of us have been in this mindset for quite some time. Changes have to happen-so I am thinking ahead. My only concern is do we have the right people to identify the absolute best candidates or will we be back in the same place after another 5 years.

Sadly, at this juncture, I think (best case) we're looking at 3 years to right the ship (if) it begins Jan 2, 2017 (and) they find the right leadership.
 

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Well,
I think that it's a little more nuanced than that but nuance is not going to be received well today.....
 

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Well,
I think that it's a little more nuanced than that but nuance is not going to be received well today.....

Sorry, but I fail to see any "nuance" from either their record or offensive statistics. The Tuna said it best: "you are who your record says you are"....
 

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Yep-think most of us have been in this mindset for quite some time. Changes have to happen-so I am thinking ahead. My only concern is do we have the right people to identify the absolute best candidates or will we be back in the same place after another 5 years.
Yep, me.

Sadly, at this juncture, I think (best case) we're looking at 3 years to right the ship (if) it begins Jan 2, 2017 (and) they find the right leadership.
Naw...we have the talent to win NOW...with any HC capable of motivating men. I can see an instant turnaround if we find a decent coach.
 

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Naw...we have the talent to win NOW...with any HC capable of motivating men. I can see an instant turnaround if we find a decent coach.
I tend to think this is the case as well.

The talent is there (at least enough talent) to be better than 4-6 at this juncture.
 

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I think this team could be at 7-3 with the right coach (Bills, Panthers and Dolphins) at the very least could have been wins with some tweeks to the game-plan. The talent in the NFL seems pretty even these days with the Rams have an advantage on D so I could see them competing right away.
 

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When the 1st round pick doesn't play and has nine weeks of practice, you would think the HC and OC would come up with a few plays designed to Goff's skill set. Something new and innovative to excite the fans.

Nine weeks and nothing innovate. That's sorry.
 

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Bonsignore: Rams' latest change again does nothing to fix their problems under Jeff Fisher
Nov. 20, 2016

Updated Nov. 21, 2016 8:51 a.m.

By VINCENT BONSIGNORE / STAFF COLUMNIST

LOS ANGELES – Leave it to the kid with all of one NFL game under his belt to provide the spot-on analysis of the sorry state of the Rams affairs.

And in an unintentional, roundabout way put the onus right on Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who has overseen this nonsense for five years running and no longer deserves a sixth year to finally get it right.

Enough is enough.

It's not working.

Never has, likely never will.


No matter how many promises Fisher makes to get things fixed week after week after week, come Sunday afternoon it's Groundhog Day, Rams style.

And Jared Goff is on to it.

“Seems like it’s been a story for a while now.” Goff said after another week of self-inflicted Rams wounds.

Nailed it.

But then, the rookie quarterback from Cal had a front-row seat to the madness and frustration over the first nine games of the season. Which, when you think about it, makes him an expert on these sorts of things by now.

Of the same old tired mistakes and penalties and excuses and putrid offense and blown games. All of which reared their ugly heads – again – in the Rams’ spirit-numbing 14-10 loss Sunday to the Miami Dolphins in which the they essentially gift-wrapped the Dolphins’ two touchdowns over the final five minutes to ruin all the good vibes of Goff's first career start.

As first turns go, Goff played OK while completing 17 of 31 passes for 134 yards. Operating in the Rams’ deliberate, careful, safe offense – OK, OK, overly cautious, boring, and playing-not-to-lose offense – Goff avoided any critical mistakes and helped build the 10-0 lead they carried into the final five minutes.

But it all came crumbling down from that point on.

By ways and means it always seems to fall apart for the Rams.

That Goff was an active participant Sunday rather than the sideline observer he'd been the first nine games only changed his vantage point.

Otherwise, it was the same nonsense it's always been.

This year and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that.

And certainly on Sunday, when the Rams sprung out of the starter's blocks like Usain Bolt and led from beginning to near end. Then, just as they reached for the finish line, their feet got tangled, their bodies began to wobble and thud, they crumbled to the ground in a heap as the Dolphins sprinted right past them for the win.

“We just need to stay out of our own way,” Goff said, trying to make sense of it all.

And doing a pretty darn good job of it, actually.

Get out of their own way indeed.

Might as well get used to it, kid.

As long Fisher is your boss anyway.

That same old story you referenced is sadly and poignantly accurate.

Want your mind blown? The Rams fell to 4-6 for the fourth straight year under Fisher. And the season before that they were 3-6-1 at the 10-game point with him as the coach.

You have to try really, really hard to pull off that kind of dubious feat.

Or be really, really bad.

What's so frustrating is the Rams really aren't that bad, though. They play playoff-caliber defense and their special teams are aces and they are competitive every time they take the field.

Yet somehow, some way, they always wind up 4-6 or worse 10 games into a season under Fisher before ending up 7-9 or worse.

They've changed quarterbacks and offensive coordinators. They've invested high picks in the offensive line. They've rebuilt the defense. They drafted offensive weapons such as Todd Gurley Tavon Austin with top 10 picks

They've changed and altered and tinkered and talked over and over about fixing things and addressing issues and getting problems solved.

But nothing ever gets fixed.

It's just lather, rinse and repeat.

The offense remains in a standstill, partly out of talent but also handcuffed by philosophy.

Fisher is married to a punishing run game and a deliberate approach to the pass game in which short, careful passes are preferred over big shots down field.

It's an understandable approach, especially with a defense as good as the Rams'.

But there is a major flaw, and it goes right to the heart of Fisher's biggest problem.

His teams aren't disciplined enough to carry the plan out from beginning to end.

Fisher's offense is so deliberate, and the defense so good, games are inherently close. So close that there's literally no margin for error.

And the Rams are anything but perfect, as their eight penalties proved again on Sunday.

Almost all the penalties severely wounded the Rams, be it Greg Robinson's block in the back to nullify a Goff first-down scramble, or Alec Ogletree's unnecessary roughness penalty to aid the Dolphins’ first touchdown drive, or Aaron Donald's roughing-the-passer infraction to assist their winning touchdown march.

You can't say it's a one-game deal, either.

Because it happens week after week after week. The Rams came into Sunday committing the fourth most penalties in the league. It's been an issue for years.

The one constant is Fisher. It's his team and his vision.

And really, his failure.

“We've got a lot of things to improve on,” he said.

It sounded remarkably like what he said after the five previous losses.

The last five years, for that matter.

Enough is enough already.

It's not working.

http://www.rams-news.com/bonsignore-rams-latest-change-nothing-fix-problems-jeff-fisher/

Unfortunately, very much spot on.
 

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I, personally want to keep the entire FO and Coaching Staff EXCEPT Who ever is responsible for the Offensive Play calling and FISHER!!! then I think things will be Fixed!
Maybe bring in Jon Gruden and Norv Turner!!?!
 

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And another one:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-goff-plaschke-20161120-story.html

Jared Goff makes his debut, but the Rams don't really let him play
Bill Plaschke
The collapse ended with Jared Goff wandering aimlessly across the middle of the soggy Coliseum field Sunday afternoon, eyes skyward, helmet perched on the back of his head.

If he was confused, he was not alone.

His Rams had just suffered their most disheartening setback in a desultory season when their vaunted defense allowed the Miami Dolphins to break up a shutout by scoring twice in the final 4 minutes 2 seconds in a 14-10 defeat.

But the Rams really lost because they were afraid to let Jared Goff win.

In the most trumpeted sports premiere in this town this fall, the Rams didn’t roll out a red carpet for Goff as much as they wrapped him tightly in it.

The celebrated, long-delayed debut of last spring’s No. 1 overall draft pick was dampened not only by a steady rain and Dolphins defense, but also by a Rams brain trust that didn’t trust him.

After incredibly waiting 11 weeks to let him play, they incredibly didn’t let him play.

As a leader he was fine — no turnovers, no huddle implosions, no rattling after big hits. But as a big-time quarterback worthy of trading six draft picks? We still have no idea, because Goff never had a chance to be a big-time quarterback.

By the time he finished slanting and screening and dumping the Rams to their sixth loss in 10 games since returning to Los Angeles, their quarterback question had been answered in a different sort of way.

Turns out, it doesn’t matter who plays quarterback, because the problem is not the quarterback, it’s the coaching.

“There was nothing from an offensive standpoint that was minimized because of Jared,” claimed Ram Coach Jeff Fisher.

That statement is either very false, or very scary.

Imagine the Dodgers ordering Corey Seager to make his debut by drawing walks, or the Lakers telling a debuting D’Angelo Russell to shoot only layups.

That’s what it felt like during a glittering coronation that became a three-hour slog into madness. The Rams aren’t just mediocre, they’re boring, and on a day when Goff was supposed to change everything, he was allowed to change nothing.

Goff completed 17 passes, but none covered more than a couple of handfuls of yards in the air, and only one was a true downfield pass, until the final moments.

Heck, Case Keenum could have done that.

Goff averaged just 4.3 yards per pass on 31 attempts, and compare that to this season’s debuts of two other renowned rookie quarterbacks.

Dak Prescott of Dallas averaged five yards per pass on 45 attempts, and Carson Wentz of Philadelphia averaged 7.5 yards per pass on 37 attempts.

“I would like to throw some balls downfield and I think that will be in the plan every week,” said Goff. “It’s up to them.”

Whatever, it wasn’t the plan on a day when it needed to be the plan. The Rams mortgaged their future because Goff had that Hollywood arm, but the moment it was time for the big reveal, Fisher and his staff tied that arm behind his back and wound up directing another bust.

“Our goal was to stop the run … and make the quarterback try and prove he can beat us,” said the Dolphins’ Ndamukong Suh.

And the Rams played right into their padded hands.

Fourth quarter, Rams leading 10-0 and beginning a potential game-clinching drive at midfield, and how do you think they schemed it? Try three Todd Gurley runs sandwiched around three short Goff passes that wound up one yard short of a first down on the Dolphins’ 30-yard line. Greg Zuerlein then clanked a 48-yard field-goal attempt and the Dolphins turned that momentum into their first scoring drive.

Later in the fourth quarter, Rams now leading 10-7 and beginning another potential game-clinching drive, and how do you think they schemed it this time? Two Gurley runs, a short Goff pass, and a punt that led to the Dolphins’ game-winning scoring drive.

“The design is to pick up four or five yards then quick passing game, it’s not to take your shots, and that’s what we tried to do so we could complete drives,” said Fisher.

At this rate, the only thing they’re completing is an early alienation of Los Angeles sports fans who demand, and deserve, better. A few days after breaking ground on their Inglewood sports palace, they dug themselves a deeper Coliseum hole. On an afternoon when Goff was cheered on the video board by everybody from Snoop Dogg to snowboarder Shaun White, the crowd wound up soaked, and the Rams’ season continued to sink.

“Probably one of the most disappointing losses I’ve endured over the years,” said Fisher, and that’s saying something.

This is the fifth time in Fisher’s five seasons as the Rams coach — every year! — that his team has reached the 10-game point with six losses.

Fisher has tied Tom Landry for second place in coaching losses with 162 defeats, reaching that figure in 82 fewer games. If the Rams lose four of their last six, a very real possibility considering the difficulty of their schedule, Fisher could end the season as the losingest coach in NFL history.

In keeping with the afternoon’s muddy theme, Fisher coached some of the game with his baseball cap turned around. It wasn’t the only thing that was backward.

As the game ended, the Coliseum filled with its first loud and fervent chant of the day. But the words were being sung by Dolphins fans cheering their defense.

Too bad Rams fans couldn’t have resurrected their popular chant of recent weeks. Even though their request now seems moot, a reprise would have been perfect, its meaning a tad different but explicitly clear.

“We want Goff.”
 

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Stop the quarterback crying ... two defense first teams playing in the rain and a you're disappointed with your rookie quarterback's first game?

I thought he played well overall.
 

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Yep, me.

Naw...we have the talent to win NOW...with any HC capable of motivating men. I can see an instant turnaround if we find a decent coach.

I would agree that we have some talent. The problem is, especially as time passes, so do player contracts and when it's time to move on or stay, which do you think is more likely at this point? Talent only takes you so far, this is a team sport, the best players don't always win, hasn't that become obvious by now? It isn't simply about motivation, it takes discipline, mental toughness, desire and most of all EXECUTION.....and this team is lacking in all aspects.
 

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Stop the quarterback crying ... two defense first teams playing in the rain and a you're disappointed with your rookie quarterback's first game?

I thought he played well overall.

I don't think Goff playing was the problem. The problem is that this late in the season he gets his first start. The offense is, as Bonsigniore politely puts it, deliberate. They whole philosophy is geared towards a stingy defense and a safe offense that doesn't score much because it never is aggressive enough to take chances. So, the scores are always close and with the lack of discipline, mostly losses.

If Fisher gets extended, maybe one day Goff will progress enough that Fisher will trust he and Boras to take the chances that he fears so much right now. Maybe the ultra conservative game plan was designed to keep Goff from making big mistakes and injurying his, imaginarily weak, ego. It isn't his fault and most of us aren't saying it is. Overall I like what I saw from Goff.
 

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Sadly, at this juncture, I think (best case) we're looking at 3 years to right the ship (if) it begins Jan 2, 2017 (and) they find the right leadership.
I think the right leadership could make us into a playoff team next year. We have a lot of pieces in place, but the leadership is for shyte....
 

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It isn't simply about motivation, it takes discipline, mental toughness, desire and most of all EXECUTION.....and this team is lacking in all aspects.
Agree, but we need to find someone to motivate these guys to WANT to execute, be mentally tough, and disciplined on a consistent basis. I'm sure they preach desire...execution...at every practice...but do these guys listen? A leader like Quinn, gets 3 offsides by lining up in the neutral zone? After the first one, where's the accountability to not do it again? The late hit by Ogletree...no discipline...the false starts by Kendricks...one on the first offensive play. Really?!? Who's talking to these VETS??? No discipline. How you gonna execute with no discipline to follow a plan?