Added benefit of trading two 1st round picks for Jalen Ramsey

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Added benefit of trading two 1st round picks for Jalen Ramsey

The LA Rams paid a high cost for the star cornerback, but the complications of the draft make it look like an even smarter investment
By Kenneth Arthur@KennethArthuRS Apr 7, 2020, 4:37pm CDT
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Four years ago, Jalen Ramsey was a first round pick. In fact, he was a very high pick, going fifth overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars. The LA Rams technically could have had him then, but they moved up for a quarterback. The Philadelphia Eagles did the same. The LA Chargers selected Joey Bosa and the Dallas Cowboys elected to go with Ezekiel Elliott. There was a chance that Ramsey could have gone as high as third overall to the Chargers in many scenarios, but he probably hit his draft selection floor at pick five because he was just that good of a prospect.

Four years later, he’s done nearly everything in his power to meet and exceed the expectations that teams had for him leading up to the 2016 NFL Draft.

In 2016, the Jaguars improved to 15th against the pass (by DVOA) with the rookie Ramsey after finishing 31st the year before. As a rookie, Ramsey played in all 16 games, intercepted two passes, and had 14 passes defensed.

In 2017, the Jaguars ranked first in pass defense and Ramsey was named as a first team All-Pro. He intercepted four passes and deflected 17. Jacksonville’s defense (and franchise) deteriorated again in 2018 but Ramsey remained one of the top players at his position, intercepting three passes and deflecting 13 away.

That’s when things got weird and Ramsey forced his way into a trade out of the Jags locker room, landing in LA in exchange for two first round picks and a fourth rounder. He finished with only five passes defensed and one interception yada yada, but what we know of him already is that Ramsey is a three-time Pro Bowl, one-time All-Pro corner who doesn’t turn 26 until October and frankly he’s wasted as anything other than a great player on a really good defense.

There are certainly times where two first round picks for any player, even a player of Ramsey’s caliber, is too costly. But considering the state of the 2020 NFL Draft and offseason, I think that the Rams accidentally happened to get even better value for Ramsey than they could have imagined when they shipped those two first rounders off to acquire him.

As it stands now, LA is one of six teams who don’t have a first round pick for April 23. The others are:



Strangely (I think strangely, at least) not a single one of these picks was acquired in a deal made of picks last year. They were all shipped off for proven veteran players. In the case of Mack, it was made two seasons ago, before we could have known much of anything about the 2020 class. The Texans made their move for Tunsil last offseason. The Steelers opted to take advantage of Fitzpatrick being available midseason and I think are probably quite happy with their new elite safety over having to dip into the middle of the first round this year. The Colts and Bills made their trades within the last month, maybe seeing ahead to a world where the draft has the potential to be a complete nightmare for some organizations.

That’s why I think that if there was ever a moment to “celebrate” getting a break from the first round of the draft, it would be in 2020.

Not even having a first rounder, Pittsburgh GM Kevin Colbert is asking for three more rounds to be added this year. Why? Because there’s going to be such a huge margin of error, he expects. Teams did not get pro days with many of the top college programs. The league was lucky to even get the scouting combine done before all the major shutdowns began to happen around March 11.

Individual in-person meetings with prospects were also prohibited, forcing teams to go with FaceTime, Skype, Zoom, phone calls, and the like. Physical examinations? Not a chance. Prospects who didn’t get invited to the combine? Too bad. The fact that a large chunk of the draft every year is made up of players who didn’t get combine invites? Oh well.

I imagine that some teams will find April 23 to be very difficult. If the teams had been given 12-24 months to prepare for this — as I imagine would have been the case if this was a plan at all — there would still be errors along the way. You have to allow for a certain number of mistakes during beta testing. Instead, teams have less than six weeks.

I don’t know if Sean McVay will be one of the coaches to get frustrated with a completely virtual, remote, online draft — perhaps this is where his youth comes in handy — but I do know that as of last weekend, he thought he’d just gather the war room at his house and as of Monday, we know that the NFL disallowed any notion of “gatherings.” It tells me that even head coaches are learning new things every day about how many complications there are going to be during the draft, which tells me that of course commissioner Roger Goodell also can’t quite plan a future of unexpected twists and turns surrounding the draft.

Instead, Goodell must feel he has to push through regardless of the complications. A “shitshow” draft is better than no draft at all.

That’s one reason to maybe be thankful that an All-Pro cornerback is worth no first rounders for two years.
 

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Interesting point. One could argue the next 2 drafts (this one, plus 2021) could be the weakest value for the 1st rounders.

Weakest data on players for certain.

These drafts, particularly next year could be a crap shoot.
 

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Yeah thinking about this more... this year, they probably have 95% of the data, but a very difficult draft to choreograph.

Next year the draft should be normal, but the player data? Probably less than 95%. Much less if college football can’t play, or play much.
 

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There's an idea out there for college football to play their 2020 season in spring 2021. That would throw the NFL draft into complete chaos as well.
 

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It's exciting for me because it's a test of team player/personnel departments. Round #1 worthy talent might not be recognized by any team in the 1st round, with the Rams ready to scoop them up!
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Will this affect trades or are those usually by phone anyways? Maybe there's a decrease in the number of draft day trades.
 

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It's going to be a clusterfuck for sure. Hopefully it lets a lot of talent drop into the later rounds because teams not named Rams aren't prepared for it or have issues.
 

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I still wonder about trading for Ramsey with two 1st rounders and the cost to resign him.

I don't see the draft day changes will have any effect in early draft picks. If teams don't have there communications and procedures straightened out they could miss a trade later on. I wonder if they increase time on the clock by a minute or so. I think the Rams will be ready and should be as well prepared as any team.
 

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This article is Shyte!
Let’s down play us not having a 1st rounder for 2 years. Smh
 

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I think it will shed new light on drafting players for some. I'm all about production on the field and instincts. Maybe if some teams have more success drafting this year, it will get them to change their emphasis in the future.

Or, there will be a bit more guessing involved after rounds 1 and 2. I wonder if some GMs implemented a new plan of evaluation once the lockdown hit. Or was it business as usual. I really don't think it will affect round 1 at all.

For a guy like Snead, who has success later in drafts finding quality ufas it may really be an advantage. I just hope he doesn't go trade happy again. This team needs top quality starters, not 6th rounders.
 

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Kill add that I stood by the Ramsey trade last year. The price was steep but how often do you get a chance at guaranteed pro bowl quality corner? What's the chances that picking in the early 20's that the Rams would land two players equal to Ramseys talent? I don't think it's very good. Even though this seems to be a pretty deep first round.

It's almost like drafting old school where the brought in stacks of magazines as scouting material
 

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Leaving aside the value of Ramsey - first rounders are likely to be more valuable in 2020 than before, since at least first rounders teams will have had a chance to see in person. They will have a better idea of them than later round picks. Doesn't mean that the trade wasn't worthwhile - but the argument in the article is Wack.
 

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this might be the wrong thread to do it but it makes me laugh when the media cry about the rams not having 1st round picks.

2016 - rams mortgaged their future, doomed to fail, why trade up to #1 for a qb worse than winston and mariota. couldn't have been further from the truth.

2017 - rams are the worst team in the league, no 1st round pick, goff is a bust, coach is too young. couldn't have been further from the truth.

2018 - rams all in, wasted 1st round pick on a wr two other teams traded away, mcvay can't control all the personalities, eagles dream team scenario doomed to fail. couldn't have been further from the truth.

2019 - no talk at all. actually i don't know what was said because i didn't watch a single sports talk show. from what was posted on this site i gather the rams weren't gonna pay goff, they don't trust him. couldn't have been further from the truth.

2020 - the rams are a mess, all their players left, paid for going all in in 2018, don't have 1st round pick for 2 years, they haven't signed ramsey, they're gonna be the worst team in the division.

can everyone guess how these predictions are gonna pan out?

media wouldn't know their head from their arse.

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Today's media get paid for clicks. They have to be as weird as possible to grab your attention. Problem is people can now find better information straight from the source via Twitter & Instagram. How many "news" articles are actually reposts of social media? We write our own stories now, we don't need them as much.
I do miss the days of good journalism though. Those sports mags of yesteryear had so much more info in them. But now you can find almost any info you want with a few clicks...
 

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Re: Ramsey... Fucking sign him. It's the Rams' only real option without looking like dipshits so get it done. Waiting until after this season would be a big mistake too IMO. Because if this team struggles he might be decide he wants out. And it's not like tagging him is an option so lock his ass down sometime around camp at the latest.

As far as this draft is concerned, I think BPA at 52 becomes more important and it's more likely the Rams will have a guy who is very high on their board "slide" to them. Trading down of course seems likely, but what this team really needs is impact players on their first contract. So if one is there you think is an impact player, just take him.

Snead has really painted himself into a corner here IMO. Ton of needs and not a lot of draft capital. I know people love him around here and I like the guy too but I think this is a very important season for him and his job security.
 

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just wondering if the idea that this virus thing makes no first round picks less important is just backwards imo. the highly rated players have been vetted pretty well but with no pro days or personal work outs that will make the later picks more guess work. this is not very popular but so many here say we don't need ist rounders because sneed does such a good job with the later picks. well imagine if he had those ists back and he could trade them down for two 2nds and a third. so over the next 2 years we could have 6 2nds 4 thirds and 3 4ths.
 

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Love these discussions!
I will miss the teams falling in love with a physical specimen at his pro day. Teams GMs and scouting departments get stupid eyed when they see these guys who are athletes, but possibly not football players. The Rams are in a unique position this draft, quite possibly announcing All pro Cornerback J Ramsey as there 2020 pick..j/k.
On a side note, I really hope that leaving scouts behind during the combine helps the team. Watching game film of possible picks is what I read. The Rams and if I a man correct 1-2 teams only sent HC or GM to take in the players at the Combine.
 

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Love these discussions!
I will miss the teams falling in love with a physical specimen at his pro day. Teams GMs and scouting departments get stupid eyed when they see these guys who are athletes, but possibly not football players. The Rams are in a unique position this draft, quite possibly announcing All pro Cornerback J Ramsey as there 2020 pick..j/k.
On a side note, I really hope that leaving scouts behind during the combine helps the team. Watching game film of possible picks is what I read. The Rams and if I a man correct 1-2 teams only sent HC or GM to take in the players at the Combine.

Your comments made me think... I wonder how much analysis paralysis happens down the stretch preparing for a draft? And... if so, just like most of us, overthink things?

Does the lockdown help prevent that?

These guys are pros. Probably not a lot of last minute board shuffling... but you do hear stories.
 

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Your comments made me think... I wonder how much analysis paralysis happens down the stretch preparing for a draft? And... if so, just like most of us, overthink things?

Does the lockdown help prevent that?

These guys are pros. Probably not a lot of last minute board shuffling... but you do hear stories.
It may enhance it since scouts didn't go to the combine. Maybe they were planning to focus more on Pro days, but since that's not happening, it's all film and Skype calls. Makes it difficult to gauge personality and ambitions. Hopefully, they find some nasty...tired of these softer, technical lineman.