A few thoughts on our TruJo situation...

[Rams43]

I believe that the Rams are impressed by this rookie class of press man CB's. VERY impressed, and they wish to take full advantage.

I believe that Tru will be traded pre draft. Even if it requires dropping their price to a 3rd plus a 5th, or so.

I believe that the Rams want to draft TWO of these press CB's after trading Tru. That's right, TWO. A classic intersection of great need and great value.

I believe that the Rams have given up all hope of keeping Tru for themselves by extending him to a reasonable contract. So they will make lemonade out of this TruJo lemon.

I believe that they have contingency plans for FA acquisitions if they can save that $16.7 million after trading TruJo. Might be a few more tier 2 players for depth, might be for extending Donald or Tree. I suspect that they would prefer to add a few more depth FA's, myself. Then they would be more free to take BPA after the 2 CB's, as well. No other "holes" would remain after these predraft moves.

So, that's my take on this TruJo situation. I just don't see them wanting to roll with TruJo at the rate of $16.7 million this season. It just makes little sense, the more one thinks about it. They have a better chance of improving the team and winning games by making the above suggested moves.

Am I in the ballpark here? Or out in the parking lot?

 

[Corbin]

Center? We haven't signed anybody yet.

 

[Zaphod]

I don't know, I can see them starting two rookie corners but I can't see them forcing themselves into that with no veteran competition.

Between he and Austin's contract it just screams one more year of wait till next year.

 

[rams56]

I believe that the Rams are impressed by this rookie class of press man CB's. VERY impressed, and they wish to take full advantage.

I believe that Tru will be traded pre draft. Even if it requires dropping their price to a 3rd plus a 5th, or so.

I believe that the Rams want to draft TWO of these press CB's after trading Tru. That's right, TWO. A classic intersection of great need and great value.

I believe that the Rams have given up all hope of keeping Tru for themselves by extending him to a reasonable contract. So they will make lemonade out of this TruJo lemon.

I believe that they have contingency plans for FA acquisitions if they can save that $16.7 million after trading TruJo. Might be a few more tier 2 players for depth, might be for extending Donald or Tree. I suspect that they would prefer to add a few more depth FA's, myself. Then they would be more free to take BPA after the 2 CB's, as well. No other "holes" would remain after these predraft moves.

So, that's my take on this TruJo situation. I just don't see them wanting to roll with TruJo at the rate of $16.7 million this season. It just makes little sense, the more one thinks about it. They have a better chance of improving the team and winning games by making the above suggested moves.

Am I in the ballpark here? Or out in the parking lot?

I think you definitely have valid points.... you do for sure.....

I just think the potential for Tru to be a fantastic press corner in this defense this year because of his previous experience as a very good press corner coming out of the draft......and I don't have as much confidence in a rookie....that is also supposed to be a good press man corner....but still a rookie....Wade has a history of bringing in very good corners in his previous 2 stops to help strengthen his secoundary. We don't have the cap room.... and at this point..... no one is out there....and I'm not entirely convinced this is Wades decision. ... these are just my thoughts.... either way..... I love the Rams....

Go Rams..........

 

[Riverumbbq]

I believe that the Rams are impressed by this rookie class of press man CB's. VERY impressed, and they wish to take full advantage.

I believe that Tru will be traded pre draft. Even if it requires dropping their price to a 3rd plus a 5th, or so.

I believe that the Rams want to draft TWO of these press CB's after trading Tru. That's right, TWO. A classic intersection of great need and great value.

I believe that the Rams have given up all hope of keeping Tru for themselves by extending him to a reasonable contract. So they will make lemonade out of this TruJo lemon.

I believe that they have contingency plans for FA acquisitions if they can save that $16.7 million after trading TruJo. Might be a few more tier 2 players for depth, might be for extending Donald or Tree. I suspect that they would prefer to add a few more depth FA's, myself. Then they would be more free to take BPA after the 2 CB's, as well. No other "holes" would remain after these predraft moves.

So, that's my take on this TruJo situation. I just don't see them wanting to roll with TruJo at the rate of $16.7 million this season. It just makes little sense, the more one thinks about it. They have a better chance of improving the team and winning games by making the above suggested moves.

Am I in the ballpark here? Or out in the parking lot?

Your 'ballpark' is basically what we've been speaking to all off-season. There has been and will continue to be a good deal of speculation over the 'TruJo situation" and who would fit in his place and how to use the extra CAP space should it go down that way. Local mock drafts have been at it since the end of last season.
While Tru could be useful in 2017, i'd prefer trading him than risking his loss thru free agency following the season. I agree that the CAP money saved on Tru could be better served elsewhere and that it would be difficult to allow this draft to bypass us without getting in on the deep class of CB's. The Rams should be a much improved team next season, but i'll allow for 2017 to become an adjustment year where coaches, players, new schemes & playbook gather the chemistry to move forward quickly and successfully. I'm not expecting the play-offs, although we'll be a tough 'out' for all opponents, so i'm good with moving on from TruJo and looking forward to developing the McVay/Phillips' envisioned future. Trading Tru is one more step away from the Fisher era culture, and one more step closer to a fresh concept, ... I can't wait. jmo.

 

[Rams43]

I don't know, I can see them starting two rookie corners but I can't see them forcing themselves into that with no veteran competition.

Between he and Austin's contract it just screams one more year of wait till next year.

We won't necessarily need to start 2 rookie CB's if we trade Tru, Zaphod.

Not unless both rookies blow the doors off and beat out Webster, Gaines, and everyone else, that is.

But if they both do, how is that a BAD thing? That would be a GREAT thing, wouldn't it?

Meanwhile, that $16.7 million is being used more wisely on other players that seem to have a long term future with the Rams. Something that TruJo seems to currently lack.

I'm clearly not a fan of a one year rental of Tru at the $16.7 million rate. That's something that poorly run teams would do. Can you imagine Belichick doing that? Me neither.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I believe that the Rams are impressed by this rookie class of press man CB's. VERY impressed, and they wish to take full advantage.

I believe that Tru will be traded pre draft. Even if it requires dropping their price to a 3rd plus a 5th, or so.

I believe that the Rams want to draft TWO of these press CB's after trading Tru. That's right, TWO. A classic intersection of great need and great value.

I believe that the Rams have given up all hope of keeping Tru for themselves by extending him to a reasonable contract. So they will make lemonade out of this TruJo lemon.

I believe that they have contingency plans for FA acquisitions if they can save that $16.7 million after trading TruJo. Might be a few more tier 2 players for depth, might be for extending Donald or Tree. I suspect that they would prefer to add a few more depth FA's, myself. Then they would be more free to take BPA after the 2 CB's, as well. No other "holes" would remain after these predraft moves.

So, that's my take on this TruJo situation. I just don't see them wanting to roll with TruJo at the rate of $16.7 million this season. It just makes little sense, the more one thinks about it. They have a better chance of improving the team and winning games by making the above suggested moves.

Am I in the ballpark here? Or out in the parking lot?

This makes all the sense in the world to me! And there are at least Half-a-Dozen good prospects the Rams have a shot at!!

 

[HellRam]

Your logic is sound. But I have a different take.

IMO the Rams are going all in as much as possible for this up and coming season. I think the front office is tired of building for a future that never arrives, just like us fan's are. Thus the veteran signings, Barwin on a 1 year deal is a example of this.

What keeping Tru does is gives the Rams time to fill other holes on the roster. We still got needs at WR, TE, OLine, maybe safety and depth on the DLine and LBs.

The cap hit at this point in time really isn't all that big of a deal. Who is there to sign that really upgrades the team? Plus he's off the books next season. However I do believe it's possible the Rams would trade Tru for a 2nd rounder. This would atleast give them a legit chance to replace Tru going foward.

But as of now keeping Tru helps this team win this season. And trying to win now is something this front office has not practiced much during the Fisher tenure. Personally I like this idea, but that's just me.

 

[dieterbrock]

IMO the Rams are going all in as much as possible for this up and coming season. I think the front office is tired of building for a future that never arrives, just like us fan's are. Thus the veteran signings, Barwin on a 1 year deal is a example of this.

What keeping Tru does is gives the Rams time to fill other holes on the roster. We still got needs at WR, TE, OLine, maybe safety and depth on the DLine and LBs

Not sure I follow. Basically, they are creating holes next year while they fill other holes this year? You don't build a solid foundation on 1 year players

 

[Ram65]

The Rams would need a trading partner. I can see it if they get a 3 and 5. It's a deep draft for CB and the Rams could use the money for AD and Tree extensions. It would have to be a team that is close to a championship.

They could wait until a contender team has a need during the season. They would pay some of the 16.7M and get picks for next year. That would be if they aren't in the mix for a playoff spot.

 

[HellRam]

Not sure I follow. Basically, they are creating holes next year while they fill other holes this year? You don't build a solid foundation on 1 year players

Well if you lose all the player's that are supose to be your foundation, you never have a foundation.

And winning teams sign players on short deals all the time. Remember when the Patriots signed Revis? It's called filling out a complete roster. Obviously stock piling draft picks has not worked the way the Rams would have liked, throw the Browns in there as well.

 

[Riverumbbq]

What keeping Tru does is gives the Rams time to fill other holes on the roster. We still got needs at WR, TE, OLine, maybe safety and depth on the DLine and LBs.

Traditionally, the draft is about building for the future and free agency for filling 'holes', the Rams lost many free agents this season and cut a few others while developing a scheme change with new coaching. The draft can only bring so much talent with the limited number of picks, and those remaining holes you mention still need filling. McSnead has done a great job in free agency so far, but the additional funds/draft pick(s) which could become available by trading Tru may be quite helpful bringing in low cost veteran experience & leadership. No doubt we'll be starting a few rookies, although a successful season 2017 may revolve more around solid depth than two or three starting rookies. jmo.

 

[Merlin]

I would guess they are considering use of Tru for a move up to round 1. His value varies greatly depending on whether the team we trade with can get him to agree to a contract, however even if they don't sign him and he walks next year he will be a 3rd round compensation guy the following year.

The problem is that if they do move him they need to draft a couple CBs instead of just one. Which is why I prefer they eat it and let him play this season in horns. Then let him walk. Not recouping value on a lost FA is not the the end of the world.

I do not believe anyone is going to part with a round 2 pick for Trumaine in this draft. Simply because to get that value out of him he would need to agree to a contract and he seems to think he's Deion Sanders. Third round is probably unlikely too, because you will be looking at round 2 value at the DBs in round 3 this year most likely.

Who would the Rams covet in a trade up? Probably OL. Because there are a lot of teams that need help on their lines and the OL in general is not deep. So if they use Tru to move up and get a guy they covet, at a position where there is not a lot of "step in and excel" options, they should then be able to still load the CB position thereafter and maybe WR, since both have very good depth. I doubt they want to move up for a WR simply because there isn't as much dropoff from the mid round 1 guys on down.

 

[dieterbrock]

Well if you lose all the player's that are supose to be your foundation, you never have a foundation.

And winning teams sign players on short deals all the time. Remember when the Patriots signed Revis? It's called filling out a complete roster. Obviously stock piling draft picks has not worked the way the Rams would have liked, throw the Browns in there as well.

You're not going to try and compare the Rams situation to the Pats are you? Yeah, he went there to win a ring. That's what Tru is doing for the Rams? Cmon man....

 

[HellRam]

You're not going to try and compare the Rams situation to the Pats are you? Yeah, he went there to win a ring. That's what Tru is doing for the Rams? Cmon man....

Why not? I don't see the big deal in filling out the best possible roster for this up and coming season. Thank God the Rams are taking more of a Patriot approach this season, even if they aren't the same team.

If your logic was 100% valid the Rams would be a playoff team after the RG3 trade....guess what there not.

Personally I'm glad Snead is evolving and taking more of a win now approach. The status quo wasn't working and now let's try something different.

 

[dieterbrock]

Why not? I don't see the big deal in filling out the best possible roster for this up and coming season. Thank God the Rams are taking more of a Patriot approach this season, even if they aren't the same team.

If your logic was 100% valid the Rams would be a playoff team after the RG3 trade....guess what there not.

Personally I'm glad Snead is evolving and taking more of a win now approach. The status quo wasn't working and now let's try something different.

No my logic says the Rams are building a foundation, the Pats already have one. Revis signed there to win a SB.
And the Pats didn't build their foundation by over paying their corners so you may want to think about what you are saying. They let Ty Law walk, they let Lawyer Milloy walk. So yeah I wish they would take a Patriot approach which is build the foundation first

 

[HellRam]

No my logic says the Rams are building a foundation, the Pats already have one. Revis signed there to win a SB.
And the Pats didn't build their foundation by over paying their corners so you may want to think about what you are saying. They let Ty Law walk, they let Lawyer Milloy walk. So yeah I wish they would take a Patriot approach which is build the foundation first

And again....if you let all the players you develop walk. Where is your fondation? Our foundation is Donald, Gurley, Goff, Tru, Brockers, Tree and so on.

The reason the Rams were fine with tagging Tru is worst case scenario they got a player in a contract year who can help them win now. Not next year or 3 years down the road. And if they dont want to retain him they got all that cap next year. Draft picks are fun and all, but they sure as hell don't guarantee good players. Thats why Johnson is on this team right now. And if they get a trade they like, it's a win win.

 

[Riverumbbq]

And again....if you let all the players you develop walk. Where is your fondation? Our foundation is Donald, Gurley, Goff, Tru, Brockers, Tree and so on.

The reason the Rams were fine with tagging Tru is worst case scenario they got a player in a contract year who can help them win now. Not next year or 3 years down the road. And if they dont want to retain him they got all that cap next year. Draft picks are fun and all, but they sure as hell don't guarantee good players. Thats why Johnson is on this team right now. And if they get a trade they like, it's a win win.

Those guys you named were Fisher's foundation, not McVay's. While i'm fairly certain Goff, Gurley, Donald & Brockers are the key to McSnead's foundation, I wouldn't include Tru & Ogletree necessarily. This new system puts a lot of guys on notice, this is a probationary period for some of the prior so-called safe players to prove they belong and make a proper fit under new management. Expensive guys like Barron, Austin, Saffold & Quinn, soon to become free agents like Ogletree, & Joyner and the many new 1 year contracted players such as Barwin & Dunbar, ... all need to earn a job and perform well if they wish to remain as Rams. This is a 'contract' year for many, even if their contracts wouldn't necessarily give that away. jmo.

 

[HellRam]

Those guys you named were Fisher's foundation, not McVay's. While i'm fairly certain Goff, Gurley, Donald & Brockers are the key to McSnead's foundation, I wouldn't include Tru & Ogletree necessarily. This new system puts a lot of guys on notice, this is a probationary period for some of the prior so-called safe players to prove they belong and make a proper fit under new management. Expensive guys like Barron, Austin, Saffold & Quinn, soon to become free agents like Ogletree, & Joyner and the many new 1 year contracted players such as Barwin & Dunbar, ... all need to earn a job and perform well if they wish to remain as Rams. This is a 'contract' year for many, even if their contracts wouldn't necessarily give that away. jmo.

If the Rams thought Tru wasn't a fit, they wouldn't tag him, especially considering the price. Obviously their was never a for sure trade lined up. Otherwise he would have been traded by now.

The rest IMO is hypothetical.

 

[Riverumbbq]

If the Rams thought Tru wasn't a fit, they wouldn't tag him, especially considering the price. Obviously their was never a for sure trade lined up. Otherwise he would have been traded by now.

The rest IMO is hypothetical.

Or ... Snead believes he can get more in trade for Tru than the value of a future comp pick. Teams haven't taken a flyer on Tru because he wasn't the outstanding player TJ & his agent value him at. Are you forgetting that trading Tru also pretty much requires any new team to renegotiate a long term contract ? It's not a big loss if TruJo plays for us this season, we'll definitely use him, obviously. I just happen to believe a clean cut would be beneficial to all parties involved, let him get on with his career, let McVay/Phillips get on with the makeover of their new team. jmo.