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8 NFL QB's at career crossroads

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by Prime Time, May 22, 2014.

  1. LesBaker Mr. Savant

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    I thiought under the new CBA you cannot redo a rookie deal until there is one year left on it. I recall Demoff saying something about it when he was asked in a chat why the Rams don't redo Bradford for cap space.

    Maybe it's just my imagination runnin away with me.
     
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  2. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Bradford's contract is from the old CBA. As I recall, they couldn't restructure it because they had already restructured it within the last year.

    Under the new CBA, I believe you cannot negotiate a new deal until after Year 3.
     
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  3. moklerman Warner-phile

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    I thought they were restructuring it? Then Bradford got hurt and talks cooled and then Bradford said he wanted to now wait until he proves himself anyway.
     
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  4. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    I think that was a lot of speculation based on something Demoff said in passing. Something to the effect of, "If they (his agents) were to come to us with a deal, we'd definitely look at it." Or something like that. I don't think there were ever any official talks or negotiations.
     
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  5. dieterbrock Well-Known Member

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    Who are you quoting?
     
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  6. moklerman Warner-phile

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    But if that's the case, then he could have re-structured which is what I thought was trying to be figured out.
     
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  7. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    You're talking about two different points in time.
     
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  8. #jetlife New Member

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    And the Bengals would NEVER trade AJ Green....
     
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  9. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Bradford is about to cross over from "Bad Eli Manning" to "Good Eli Manning". I agree.
     
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  10. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    It's really nothing to not be a fan of.

    Nothing made up about his awesome TD to INT ratio. (3 were tipped)
     
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  11. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    If anything, that would indicate to me that his numbers would improve with a legitimate running game. And they did when Stacy took over. So his actual production could very easily have been better than his on pace production. In fact, I think the better argument here would be strength of schedule.

    Using the rushing attack really would indicate the opposite of what you're saying. Especially considering the way it took off after Bradford went down.
     
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  12. dieterbrock Well-Known Member

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    Of course you would, that's what fans do. But the reality is that "on pace" statements only take the good and leave out the bad. Thats why I dont like them. Good or bad
     
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  13. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Has nothing to do with being a fan.

    Sam with a legitimate rushing attack - 7 TDs to 1 Int over 3 games
    Sam without the rushing attach - 7 TDs to 3 Ints over 4 games

    And no, on pace does not only take the good. It takes both. It's simply a projection based on what happened.
     
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  14. kurtfaulk Well-Known Member

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    are you still going on about the on pace stuff? what don't you understand about it? these were your exact words.

    so when i told you sam was on pace to throw 32 tds to highlight that he was actually producing numbers you would kill for, thus playing well so you don't have to hear any excuses about his lack of performance, you come up with this.

    your mind has been made up unfortunately. you focus on the bad and don't want to acknowledge the good.

    .
     
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  15. dieterbrock Well-Known Member

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    Ok, then you agree the Rams were on pace to have 0 rushing touchdowns and 6.85 wins with Sam at QB
     
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  16. dieterbrock Well-Known Member

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    Lol

    I'm amazed at how people choose not to read what people are saying.
    I've given plenty of credit to Sam in this thread, you choose not to read that
    I think "on pace' talk is nonsense. Sam finished with 14 td, end of story. His career high is 21 TD. His numbers have not equalled Tom Brady at his most average. Sorry you dont like the info, but its all factual and not "on pace"

    Sam has thrown 35 td in 22 games with Fisher as his HC, which is is better than with Spags. So needle is facing up.
    Sam is the QB, and I am looking forward to seeing the confident QB that Fisher leaned on towards the end of 2012 and seemingly built the team around in 2013.
     
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  17. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Yea, that is a fact. I also recognize that the Rams defense and rushing attack played much better over the final 12 games than they did the first four which likely would have allowed us to finish stronger than those projections.
     
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  18. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Sam's averages per a 16 game season under Fisher are:
    60.0%
    3747 yards
    6.6 YPA
    24 TDs
    12 Ints
    85.2 QB Rating

    And as you said, Brady in the five years before Moss and Welker was:
    61.6%
    3743 yards
    7.1 YPA
    26 TDs
    13 Ints
    88.7 QB Rating

    But these are just stats, I don't think Sam is Brady or anything. Just saw the prior comparison and thought I'd toss my two cents in.
     
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