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2 losses Gurley not getting the ball

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  1. blackbart

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    There were a lot of things that did not go well yesterday but in both losses the play calling went away from Gurley. He showed what is possible when he gets more touches, they have to feed him the ball 25 times a game to be effective. I love what Goff has done but I don't think he is advanced enough to carry the team and he didn't need to.

    Additionally, I hate a game plan that gives TA touches in the backfield. I realize he had a couple of good plays but he is not the RB1 on this team and I would just as soon not see him in the backfield unless Gurley is gassed.

    Wins Gurley touches 24, 33, 30
    Losses Gurley touches 19, 16

    16 touches against the FREAKING Seahags????? Not good enough McVay
     
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    2 runs of 9 and 1 run of 12 in the first qtr then he just becomes an after thought?
    I am sure the staff is aware of this and will address it, but very strange
     
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    I agree especially with Tavon in the back field, the Hawks see that coming from a mile away, you're all but telling the defense what you are going to do, smh.
     
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    I would rather some of Tavons carries gone to Gurley. Especially anything between the tackles for sure.

    But a few things to consider.

    1 The offense was very productive. They really moved the ball up and down the field well. Would have scored 30 pats if not for Gurleys careless fumble, and a few unlucky plays and dropped TD’s.

    In other words if the players executed just a tad better we blow them out with the game plan implemented.

    2. It’s a lonnnnnnnng season. With all the touches he gets you want to save some for postseason. Not to mention some rest during the game.

    3. Tavon had a big run for a a TD. It would be just as easy to criticize Mcvay for not getting Tavon more Touches when he showed he could run through Seattle untouched and was feeling it.
     
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    This article on Gurley from before the Seahawks game.
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    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/07/todd-gurley-evolution-tailback-rams-coach

    Todd Gurley's Evolution as Tailback Keyed by Rams Keeping Coach on New Staff
    Jacob Feldman
    October 07, 2017

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif.— Todd Gurley did not want to seem demanding during his first conversation with new Rams coach Sean McVay over the winter. So the third-year running back kept his one request to himself while congratulating the new boss. But a few days later, he couldn’t help himself.

    I’ll give this a shot, Gurley thought while dialing McVay. I’d really like to keep working with Coach Peete.

    Gurley has called Los Angeles’ 2016 season “a nightmare.” After winning Rookie of the Year in 2015, the 2015 No. 10 pick finished 40th out of 41 qualifying rushers in yards per carry. As the team keeled toward 4-12, the normally deferential back said, “We looked like a middle-school offense out there.” But now, given the chance for a fresh start under a 31-year-old offensive wunderkind, Gurley wanted his running backs coach, Skip Peete, to stay.

    For his part, Peete had already been talking to friends around the league since the Rams’ regime change. He’d worked for four teams over 11 seasons and moved his twins three times. What was one more?

    But McVay—impressed by Peete’s knowledge and moved by Gurley’s pitch—decided to retain the running backs coach in L.A.. Peete’s 10-year-old son Reeco would get to stay at the same school and keep playing for his youth soccer team, all while his dad got to keep developing one of the NFL’s best running backs.

    Entering Sunday’s game against the Seahawks, Gurley leads the league with seven touchdowns and sits behind only Chiefs' RB Kareem Hunt in yards (362). His stats have improved every week, from a 40-yard outing in Week 1 to 121 during L.A.’s upset in Dallas last week. And he’s gotten better as each game has played out, too, averaging 5.1 yards per fourth quarter rush. Now it’s the defenses having nightmares.

    “He got stronger as the game progressed,” McVay said this week. “Some of those runs on that last drive, 10, 11-yard runs where he’s moving the chains, keeping the clock running … are what makes Todd special and we expect to see the same thing moving forward.”

    You hear that and you think about Gurley and his offensive line wearing down the Cowboys defense as the game wore on. But there’s more to it, Peete says.

    “When [Gurley] comes to the sideline after a drive, he can explain exactly what the defense is doing,” Peete says. “He’ll say, ‘Let’s go back to this run.’ We may not have gotten much on it the first few times, but we call it the next time and it’s a bigger run.”

    Those big fourth quarters are mental as much as physical, basically—about breaking down opponents’ schemes in addition to their bodies. The quarterback might always be the coach on the field, but Gurley is a capable coordinator. And this year, he’s sprinkled in a new bit of advice for the staff when he gets to the sideline after a passing play: Let’s run that route again, I don’t think that guy can cover me.

    While Gurley’s renewed rushing success calls back to his rookie breakout, what he’s done in the passing game has established him as the fulcrum of the NFL’s highest-scoring offense.

    He leads qualified rushers with 234 receiving yards and Pro Football Focus ranks him as the best pass-catcher out of the backfield this year, above specialists like Christian McCaffrey, Tarik Cohen and Chris Thompson. This from a player who hadn’t scored a receiving touchdown in the NFL until this year and had never topped 41 catches with the Rams or in college.

    The revolution started in May, when McVay was installing his offense for the first time and consistently telling everyone on the field that whoever executed on a route in practice would get a similar opportunity on gameday. Gurley decided the ‘whoever’ would be him. Plus, he figured, “I’ve been playing football my whole life, I hope I’m able to catch a football.”

    In a sense, how hard could it be? He started paying attention to the route concepts receivers were being taught. He stayed after practice and worked on every cut he’d need to make, how he’d need to line up, the depth he was supposed to get on every route, the release at the line of scrimmage.

    It just so happened that Peete coached wideouts in the 1990s. Together they watched film of Marshall Faulk and Matt Forte. They discussed how to respond to a linebacker’s coverage. Based on the questions Gurley asked in the classroom, Peete knew he was doing additional film work at home.

    And it has paid off to the tune of a catch-and-run for at least 20 yards in every game so far this year. The biggest came against the Cowboys, a go-ahead 53-yard score on a skinny post. Gurley read the linebackers, got behind them, and broke in to shake safety Jeff Heath on the way to the end zone.

    Gurley finished the game with a career-high 215 scrimmage yards, but not before leaping over Heath on a 17-yard run. Those hurdles are the clearest sign that Gurley has refound his form after a disastrous L.A. premiere. In Week 2, he hurdled two Washington defenders. A state champion hurdler back in North Carolina, Gurley’s leaps were the signature move of his rookie campaign.

    “I remember watching him as a rookie, jumping over guys, thinking this guy is crazy,” says Peete, who wasn’t coaching in 2015. “But then last year it didn’t happen one time.”

    In 2017, Gurley is getting to the second level enough, processing plays quickly enough, and feeling confident enough to leave his feet again. The 23-year-old tailback is also feeling confident enough to go on an NFL Network set and say “We’re going to whoop up” on the Cowboys as he did following the team’s Thursday night victory against the 49ers. That elicited a “long conversation” between him and Peete, but the coach is still glad to see that swagger back in his back—though he’s not surprised by it.

    “Most running backs have a bust-out season as a rookie and then a mediocre season as defenses adjust, and then they find their niche,” he says. Gurley’s niche might just happen to be in the end zone.
     
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    Seahawks took him away. If the Rams hadn't conceded the run he might have still gotten going, but they pi$$ed away too many offensive snaps nibbling at the corners of the field and trying to get Tavon going.

    McVay just needs to learn that lesson, that's all. That when you play a defense like Seattle you absolutely cannot abandon the run. And taking snaps from Gurley for Tavon is madness. Stop that BS.
     
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    This

    And this
     
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    Gurley needs more touches and the Rams need to stay committed to the run.

    Let's see what the Hags D does when they're gassed from Gurley wearing their ass out.

    16 touches is bullcrap.

    McVay took Gurley out of the offense not Seattle.
     
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    I was actually wondering if he didn't get nicked up considering how many plays he was out in the 2nd half
     
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    McVay after Washington loss

    “I thought he did a nice job. He got some plays out on the perimeter where it was some tight, inside-zone type plays and then he bounced it out and was able to create. I thought the (offensive) line did a nice job. I’ve got to do a better job of giving ourselves a chance to get that going. It was hard in the first half, didn’t really have a lot of opportunities, but that’s not an excuse. It starts with me and I thought that Todd made a handful of plays today and it was good to see him be able to do that.”

    Premier backs have gotten 25+ touches per game throughout the NFL history. Gurley is in great shape and should have no problem with that kind of load. I'm not buying that long season excuse. Its a tough game, RBs careers are short we might be lucky to get 5 more years of top performance, his time is now.
     
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    Seattle went into that game with the intention of stopping Gurley. They pretty much did with the exception of a few good runs. 3.1 YPC, 2 receptions for 7 yards showed that they were keying on him. IF Goff had connected on some of those long overthrows, the Rams probably win this game going away. There were a few opportunities to put it in the endzone, but the pass was either bad, or the receiver just flat out didn't make a play. I don't think I can question McVay on this if he's seeing something he can exploit while the defense is keying on one guy. I expect Gurley to get his touches, but if the defense is taking that away, I fully expect McVay to make use of Woods, Kupp and Watkins instead. You take what they give you - AND - you capitalize on those opportunities.
     
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    Once we go back to the Fisher mentality of a huge predetermined workload for Gurley, we go back to Fisherball.

    That is not how you win in today’s NFL.

    It’s about mismatches and taking what the defense gives you. Not doing the same thing every down until they stop you.

    Gurley isn’t Eddie George and this isn’t the year 2000.

    And actually 1 play that really ticked me off and was idiotic and spineless was running Gurley up the middle on 3rd and 1 early in the game on our second possession deep in our own territory.
    Seattle knew it was coming and therefore easily stuffed it to force a punt. That was a momentum changer and an archaic approach.
     
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    This is one of those stats that stands out like a cockroach on a wedding cake. Got to find a way to get the ball in Todd's hands more. I felt like there was a bit of force-feeding to Austin yesterday, and like @Merlin said above, I would have liked to seen a few of those carries go to Gurley instead.
     
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    That something I didn't think about.

    After the Tavon TD I thought having the Tavon Ghost sweeps and Real sweeps would be the way to go. I was strange seeing Tavon getting Gurley's carries. I like Tavon getting a few carries but, it seemed forced or as you said maybe Gurley was hurt some.
     
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    That was pathetic. That was with both Tavon and Gurley in the backfield. Gurley was he up back.
     
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    I thought he got injured after the first quarter. We completely went away from him.
     
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    Gurley has fumbled the ball five times this season. That's ties the number of times he fumbled in 2015 and 2016...combined. Fortunately, the Rams have only lost two of the five fumbles this year. Unfortunately, the Rams lost both of the games in which they occurred.
     
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    Excellent point there, fresh legs in the postseason will do wonders for this team down the road. While I don't think we're there yet, it's nice to see this all unfold.
     
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    I think you impose your will with a strong running game and work the ply action off that. My preference and they did that with the first drive. I didn't think the hags really stopped Gurley as much as the Rams went away from him.
     
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    You still win with a good running game and great defense regardless of what year it is.

    It has nothing to do with Fisher people need to get off that weak crap. McVay isn't Fisher and he still knows their offense goes through Gurley. He is and should be the focus of the offense. Goff isn't at the point where he can carry the team, the WRs are better but still have drops and brain farts like stopping on routes without even looking for the ball.

    The Dallas game should be the blueprint with some adjustments each week but game planning more touches for Austin is a mistake if they are taken from Gurley.

    Running the ball third and one with Gurley should be an easy win but that formation and weak attempt isn't how they should be doing it.