1500km batteries?

[1maGoh]

Father-of-eight invents an electric car battery

British engineer and former Royal Navy officer Trevor Jackson, signed a multi-million-pound deal to start manufacturing the battery on a large scale in the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I can't get the text to paste, but this guy invented a battery that's cheap, ready to make, way to recycle, and and provides more power per pound than lithium-ion. British companies have been trying to get the government to expose him from various conferences and stuff for a decade, but he finally got in.

Had anything else heard of this?
What do we all think about it?

 

[1maGoh]

Also, turns out they're 1500 mile batteries (in a Tesla). 1500km is like 100 feet or something. That wouldn't have been useful.

 

[ozarkram]

Anything that will effect the status quo will be crushed.

 

[1maGoh]

Anything that will effect the status quo will be crushed.

I was just thinking, if he was in America he's be dead already.

 

[Angry Ram]

Where do the raw materials to make them originate?

 

[LesBaker]

@1maGoh 1500 KM is almost a thousand miles.

I read the article, and I'd love it to be true. I would love to see this be true X100!!!

But there are red flags.

The battery is small enough to fit in his hands but can power a car for that distance? Hard to believe.

Also, were this true, car companies wouldn't have turned him away they would have contracted with him for billions. They have been working for a few decades for efficient electric cars. If he invented a battery like this they would be beating down his door not pushing him aside.

He claims that a Tesla battery is 30K, which is probably right, and that his is only 5K. But it isn't rechargeable, it has to be replaced each time. That's a ton of money every year for someone who only drives a small amount. 10,000 miles would equal a spend of over 30K for batteries each year.

This smells fishy.

 

[1maGoh]

Where do the raw materials to make them originate?

It's aluminum and an electrolyte solution, then the aluminum is exposed to air.

@1maGoh 1500 KM is almost a thousand miles.

I read the article, and I'd love it to be true. I would love to see this be true X100!!!

But there are red flags.

The battery is small enough to fit in his hands but can power a car for that distance? Hard to believe.

Also, were this true, car companies wouldn't have turned him away they would have contracted with him for billions. They have been working for a few decades for efficient electric cars. If he invented a battery like this they would be beating down his door not pushing him aside.

He claims that a Tesla battery is 30K, which is probably right, and that his is only 5K. But it isn't rechargeable, it has to be replaced each time. That's a ton of money every year for someone who only drives a small amount. 10,000 miles would equal a spend of over 30K for batteries each year.

This smells fishy.

It has a picture in there of a theoretical setup in a car. He's holding one plate that would be into a battery. Each better setup looks like it would have multiple (larger plates).

I've no clue about the recharging. It's some kind of rechargeable or refillable or something. Add more solution or replace the plates. IDK.

 

[1maGoh]

@1maGoh 1500 KM is almost a thousand miles.

I read the article, and I'd love it to be true. I would love to see this be true X100!!!

But there are red flags.

The battery is small enough to fit in his hands but can power a car for that distance? Hard to believe.

Also, were this true, car companies wouldn't have turned him away they would have contracted with him for billions. They have been working for a few decades for efficient electric cars. If he invented a battery like this they would be beating down his door not pushing him aside.

He claims that a Tesla battery is 30K, which is probably right, and that his is only 5K. But it isn't rechargeable, it has to be replaced each time. That's a ton of money every year for someone who only drives a small amount. 10,000 miles would equal a spend of over 30K for batteries each year.

This smells fishy.

I forgot the rest of my reply before I finished. Here it is.

Car companies would only work with him if they weren't already heavily invested and reliant upon the gas/oil companies. They know they sell cars that use gas, so it makes sense for them to invest having in gas companies because they *know* that product will be bought. They also probably rely on gas/oil industry lobbyists to help them politically. The UAW just had a big strike which was reported to have serious impasses caused by electric vehicles and what that means for the workers. Avoiding labor conflicts is another motivator to shut down a promising technology instead of see if this one random British dude is smarter than every other battery/electricity production researcher on the planet.

Also, I can only assume that just like regular batteries these batteries will have a core credit when they are replaced. That will reduce the cost of replacement. Families will just have to get better at budgeting or, favorite option of @Mackeyser, they will have maintenance plans or the cars will be permanently in rent to a user and not opened by the user.

Finally, these batteries might only fill a specific niche and not be the solution to gas/oil dependency.

 

[Mackeyser]

It's a junk story from the British equivalent of the National Enquirer.

Sorry, all.

I could replicate that demonstration with a potato. Seriously. Insert two electrodes into a potato and it would power a small fan. That's Elementary school science.

They're talking about a fuel cell, firstly, not a battery and as such even though they interchange the terms, there's not going to be much help or crossover. Not that legit fuel cells can't be very powerful... just his thing is straight bullocks. Now capacitors... well Tesla just bought a capacitor company and will use that tech to help charge the batteries faster or perhaps in their 3rd gen battery system to incorporate a hybrid battery/capacitor system in which the charging happens MUCH faster. Think 5 minutes instead of 2 hours, faster. There was some talk that if the breaks charged the capacitor, it'd be significantly more efficient at converting kinetic to potential electrical energy.

But yeah, that article is garbage. There is no way that a ph neutral electrolyte is going to be able to with shitty aluminum can aluminum be able to release more energy than the current, let alone next gen Tesla battery which is debuting with the 2020 Tesla Roadster.'

Edit: There's not going to be much crossover between batteries and his fuel cell because his stuff isn't legit and fuel cells and batteries are different animals. No, his idea isn't going to make a Tesla battery go 1500km.

Elon Musk is a brilliant dude and has literally...and I do mean LITERALLY assembled some of the best chemical engineers, specifically battery composition specialists, in his Tesla battery plant. They are working using electron microscopes to improve the components of the battery in some cases near the molecular level.

Yeah, so no. Fun story with a whatever infographic, but while there is REAL change coming and right soon...it won't be from this guy.

Sorry to his wife and eight kids...

 

[1maGoh]

It's a junk story from the British equivalent of the National Enquirer.

Sorry, all.

I could replicate that demonstration with a potato. Seriously. Insert two electrodes into a potato and it would power a small fan. That's Elementary school science.

They're talking about a fuel cell, firstly, not a battery and as such even though they interchange the terms, there's not going to be much help or crossover. Not that legit fuel cells can't be very powerful... just his thing is straight bullocks. Now capacitors... well Tesla just bought a capacitor company and will use that tech to help charge the batteries faster or perhaps in their 3rd gen battery system to incorporate a hybrid battery/capacitor system in which the charging happens MUCH faster. Think 5 minutes instead of 2 hours, faster. There was some talk that if the breaks charged the capacitor, it'd be significantly more efficient at converting kinetic to potential electrical energy.

But yeah, that article is garbage. There is no way that a ph neutral electrolyte is going to be able to with shitty aluminum can aluminum be able to release more energy than the current, let alone next gen Tesla battery which is debuting with the 2020 Tesla Roadster.'

Edit: There's not going to be much crossover between batteries and his fuel cell because his stuff isn't legit and fuel cells and batteries are different animals. No, his idea isn't going to make a Tesla battery go 1500km.

Elon Musk is a brilliant dude and has literally...and I do mean LITERALLY assembled some of the best chemical engineers, specifically battery composition specialists, in his Tesla battery plant. They are working using electron microscopes to improve the components of the battery in some cases near the molecular level.

Yeah, so no. Fun story with a whatever infographic, but while there is REAL change coming and right soon...it won't be from this guy.

Sorry to his wife and eight kids...

He still gets that million pounds though. Good for him.

 

[LesBaker]

I forgot the rest of my reply before I finished. Here it is.

Car companies would only work with him if they weren't already heavily invested and reliant upon the gas/oil companies. They know they sell cars that use gas, so it makes sense for them to invest having in gas companies because they *know* that product will be bought. They also probably rely on gas/oil industry lobbyists to help them politically. The UAW just had a big strike which was reported to have serious impasses caused by electric vehicles and what that means for the workers. Avoiding labor conflicts is another motivator to shut down a promising technology instead of see if this one random British dude is smarter than every other battery/electricity production researcher on the planet.

Also, I can only assume that just like regular batteries these batteries will have a core credit when they are replaced. That will reduce the cost of replacement. Families will just have to get better at budgeting or, favorite option of @Mackeyser, they will have maintenance plans or the cars will be permanently in rent to a user and not opened by the user.

Finally, these batteries might only fill a specific niche and not be the solution to gas/oil dependency.

Every single car manufacturer would JUMP at this is if was real. This would make the most major change in the world since the wheel.

Every one of them is working on e-cars because they know it's the future. And actually the gas/oil companies are reliant on the auto biz..........it cuts both ways.

IMO the article is bullshit.

 

[1maGoh]

Every single car manufacturer would JUMP at this is if was real. This would make the most major change in the world since the wheel.

Every one of them is working on e-cars because they know it's the future. And actually the gas/oil companies are reliant on the auto biz..........it cuts both ways.

IMO the article is bullshit.

Probably. Thought it was interesting. though.

 

[coconut]

Lots of local research on battery technology.

Battery Manufacturing
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Open to any US battery manufacturer, material supplier, equipment manufacturer, or battery end user, the center offers the ability to integrate any component into a complete battery and analyze how well it works and how it can be improved. Users can access individual processes and steps in a plug-and-play manner, and laboratory staff can provide help and guidance every step of the way. The idea is to showcase the user’s material or process improvements and quantify the advantage they provide.
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The BMF offers the ability to integrate any component into a complete battery and analyze how well it works and how it can be improved. The center can produce pouch cells of up to 66 × 99 × 12 mm and 7 Ah, large enough to make market decisions yet small enough to affordably demonstrate the impact of innovative technologies.
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Thermal runaway characterization is supported by infrared imaging to better understand temperature distribution inside secondary lithium batteries.

 

[coconut]

It's a junk story from the British equivalent of the National Enquirer.

Sorry, all.

I could replicate that demonstration with a potato. Seriously. Insert two electrodes into a potato and it would power a small fan. That's Elementary school science.

They're talking about a fuel cell, firstly, not a battery and as such even though they interchange the terms, there's not going to be much help or crossover. Not that legit fuel cells can't be very powerful... just his thing is straight bullocks. Now capacitors... well Tesla just bought a capacitor company and will use that tech to help charge the batteries faster or perhaps in their 3rd gen battery system to incorporate a hybrid battery/capacitor system in which the charging happens MUCH faster. Think 5 minutes instead of 2 hours, faster. There was some talk that if the breaks charged the capacitor, it'd be significantly more efficient at converting kinetic to potential electrical energy.

But yeah, that article is garbage. There is no way that a ph neutral electrolyte is going to be able to with shitty aluminum can aluminum be able to release more energy than the current, let alone next gen Tesla battery which is debuting with the 2020 Tesla Roadster.'

Edit: There's not going to be much crossover between batteries and his fuel cell because his stuff isn't legit and fuel cells and batteries are different animals. No, his idea isn't going to make a Tesla battery go 1500km.

Elon Musk is a brilliant dude and has literally...and I do mean LITERALLY assembled some of the best chemical engineers, specifically battery composition specialists, in his Tesla battery plant. They are working using electron microscopes to improve the components of the battery in some cases near the molecular level.

Yeah, so no. Fun story with a whatever infographic, but while there is REAL change coming and right soon...it won't be from this guy.

Sorry to his wife and eight kids...

I think capacitors will be improved to provide a steady stream of power. I know a lot of effort is being expended in that direction.

 

[Angry Ram]

It's aluminum and an electrolyte solution, then the aluminum is exposed to air.

Interesting, well even if they did do it, with any source you have to consider the whole picture. Input vs. output.