11 easy steps to blow run defense

[Blue and Gold]

 

[Blue and Gold]

Fish more of less confirms LDE at fault

 

[-X-]

You make those yourself, B&G?

 

[Blue and Gold]

yes

 

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yes

Good stuff, man. I don't have replay this year, so maybe you can look at why that Tavon stretch play was blown up by Floyd? I saw green on the outside, but Tavon got wrapped up almost immediately.

 

[RhodyRams]

good stuff B & G

thanks for putting the time in on it

 

[Blue and Gold]

Good stuff, man. I don't have replay this year, so maybe you can look at why that Tavon stretch play was blown up by Floyd? I saw green on the outside, but Tavon got wrapped up almost immediately.

I will look at it, I think Floyd slipped behind our RG, but after the SNF game, they will post NFL replay. But I remember the play

 

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I will look at it, I think Floyd slipped behind our RG, but after the SNF game, they will post NFL replay. But I remember the play

Cool, thanks. I just got so frustrated at the reaction around the net of people thinking we were running Tavon on a trap play. That was clearly drawn up as a stretch play, but quick penetration by Floyd blew the whole thing up. It looked like Tavon had the edge otherwise, because the TE sealed, and that could have been a big gainer.

 

[Fatbot]

This is great breakdown, thanks for posting! My opinion is this is primarily Ogletree's fault. He doesn't seem to recognize the danger of the overload and doesn't react to attack downhill to contain when the motion shows to the outside. In that alignment the DE is gonna get sealed there, the only question is if they will have to spend one or two guys to do it. Obviously Hayes needed to force the double team so Ogletree could attack the pull/lead back, but both Hayes and Ogletree -- and indeed the entire defense -- just waited to see what happened instead of trying to make something happen, and of course ended up wondering what happened.

 

[RFIP]

Good stuff as always my friend!

 

[Blue and Gold]

This is great breakdown, thanks for posting! My opinion is this is primarily Ogletree's fault. He doesn't seem to recognize the danger of the overload and doesn't react to attack downhill to contain when the motion shows to the outside. In that alignment the DE is gonna get sealed there, the only question is if they will have to spend one or two guys to do it. Obviously Hayes needed to force the double team so Ogletree could attack the pull/lead back, but both Hayes and Ogletree -- and indeed the entire defense -- just waited to see what happened instead of trying to make something happen, and of course ended up wondering what happened.

Hayes is playing what Rams call 7-wedge, and he has to get penetration, at least a little, and he didn't. He's supposed to extrend his arms and push (lift) the TE and the TE got to Hayes and "long armed" Hayes. The DT to that side got penetration and had Hayes set that edge, it would have been a tackle for a loss. AO didn't do great, there I agree with you, he got sucked in, but he had to protect his gap. Now, the coaches films will be more helpful, it's hard to see everything. But, IMO, Hayes needed to set the edge and he didn't. And that led to a a domino affect.

 

[Username]

They had a caravan all day when they ran off tackle. The secondary as a whole did a good job of meeting people at the los, but the front 7 (our strength?) got owned today. A few flashes from the stars, but overall it was bad.

 

[Fatbot]

Hayes is playing what Rams call 7-wedge, and he has to get penetration, at least a little, and he didn't. He's supposed to extrend his arms and push (lift) the TE and the TE got to Hayes and "long armed" Hayes. The DT to that side got penetration and had Hayes set that edge, it would have been a tackle for a loss. AO didn't do great, there I agree with you, he got sucked in, but he had to protect his gap. Now, the coaches films will be more helpful, it's hard to see everything. But, IMO, Hayes needed to set the edge and he didn't. And that led to a a domino affect.

I agree with you Hayes played it poorly, but still find more fault with Ogletree. The DT got penetration because Fusco (RG) pulled, a late fill block is expected in the play design so not a factor. You keep saying "the TE" controlled Hayes, but you are ignoring the second TE wing. Even *if* Hays had blown up the TE, the 2nd TE would have cleaned him out. Which is what I mentioned the best Hayes could have done was at least occupy a 2nd blocker by forcing the double, it was up to Ogletree to make the play.

Overall an adjustment had to be made against that formation and it wasn't. I believe it was Ogletree's responsibility to recognize this formation, maybe it was JL. But I don't agree Hayes should be blamed for not keeping contain against a double TE overload if indeed he was aligned where he was supposed to be. Certainly he could have done a better job, but the responsibility of stopping that play passed to Ogletree, and he froze. He didn't really do anything to check C gap, and he certainly didn't react to outside flow once the OG had pulled all the way around the end, so it was too late.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Good stuff. Interesting to watch an offensive play executed to perfection. Agree with @flv though...McLeod has to make that play.

 

[Blue and Gold]

I agree with you Hayes played it poorly, but still find more fault with Ogletree. The DT got penetration because Fusco (RG) pulled, a late fill block is expected in the play design so not a factor. You keep saying "the TE" controlled Hayes, but you are ignoring the second TE wing. Even *if* Hays had blown up the TE, the 2nd TE would have cleaned him out. Which is what I mentioned the best Hayes could have done was at least occupy a 2nd blocker by forcing the double, it was up to Ogletree to make the play.

Overall an adjustment had to be made against that formation and it wasn't. I believe it was Ogletree's responsibility to recognize this formation, maybe it was JL. But I don't agree Hayes should be blamed for not keeping contain against a double TE overload if indeed he was aligned where he was supposed to be. Certainly he could have done a better job, but the responsibility of stopping that play passed to Ogletree, and he froze. He didn't really do anything to check C gap, and he certainly didn't react to outside flow once the OG had pulled all the way around the end, so it was too late.

Hayes, in his 7-wedge had the C-Gap, and didn't get penetration. He's got to set that edge, inside out. We had 8 in the box, almost 9 if you count Gaines. I think the end zone view tomorrow will show a bit more, but again, I don't absolve AO, it's just that the primary responsibility of Hayes has not met and that cased the domino affect. So, in terms of Hayes, I respectfully disagree with you.

 

[dhaab]

Our defensive line is massively overrated. This game proved it.

 

[jrry32]

Frustrating play. Well blocked by the Vikings and not well played by the Rams. But the most frustrating thing is that Dunbar and McLeod absolutely could have made this play but they didn't. Ogletree and Laurinaitis getting blocked out of the play so easily also is pretty frustrating.

 

[RamsFanCK]

More of this stuff please...I love having my football IQ raised!!! Badass B&G